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Tension with DIL - can't see grandchildren anymore

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namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:46

I don't know what to do and I'm looking for advice.
I'm going to try to be as honest and objective as I can.

My son married my daughter in law a little over three years ago.
To be honest I didn't want the marriage to happen, I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her.
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her. I had no experience back then, and if I could go back I would, but what is done and is done and I considered it water under the bridge.

A few months into their marriage, she got pregnant and the relationship between them started going sour. My son, his siblings and I are very close and often discuss issues, try to resolve them, or simply vent as a family.
I tried to hide my issues with her for the sake of my son and my grandchild and things seemed to get better between us.

When my grandchild was born, things seemed to get a lot better between us, I asked them to move closer (they moved to the other side of the UK for my son's job) so they could have family support (her family lives abroad), they called me to have a "heart-to-heart". She said during that call that she was reluctant to move closer because of "the way she was treated" (which I found unfair, because we did have our fond moments and a great time together, I found it unfair to brush the whole thing away, but I bit my tongue) and that my extended family, whom I stupidly confided in, told her what I said about her behind her back. I was mortified. Again, I was new to all of that and I know I should not have. I don't know who exactly told her all that, but I apologised and she said she would consider the move. The thing is she holds a lot of grudges and doesn't let go.

A few months later, she texts me out of the blue to tell me she had found text messages on my son's phone of a group chat where his brother, my son and I talked about her (back when she was pregnant that is, so there would have to have been some digging). Her text message was something along the lines of "I found text messages where you all said you never wanted the marriage to happen after saying that I had no intention of marrying your son and just wanted to sleep around, that I was not respectable, that I was going to take all his money, to keep his money away from me, that I was after his passport, etc etc..." and that although she wouldn't object to seeing our grandchild, she didn't want to have anything to do with us and that she wasn't going to join us for Christmas". All in all a very dramatic text for something that happened WITHIN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS a YEAR AGO. The rule was basically that I could go to my son's house, my grandchild would come to see us with his dad, but that she wouldn't join in.

I had my in-laws around when she sent me the text message and I made the mistake of reading it aloud to them. I was very shaken and admittedly quite angry as it meant they were probably not going to move closer anymore, and that new drama started, and I impulsively said in front of them that she was crazy, that she was a bad person and that she was looking for problems scrolling through messages to find conversations that had occurred, once again, a year prior.
Again, nothing hostile was ever said to her face since the day they moved out, I was always kind and courteous to her from that moment. My opinions were shared within private conversations AWAY from her.

I bit my tongue again and tried to give her a call to apologise and asked my son if we could speak to her, but she wouldn't respond.
A couple of months later I came to their house, spoke to her, and things seemed to go back to normal. They moved closer.

In the meantime, our second grandchild was born, and some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children anymore, and my daughter-in-law is the only one who is allowed to supervise contact.

My son came to my house, found an old phone in a box and asked if he could take it to let my daughter in law borrow it because hers was broken and they couldn't afford to get it fixed yet. I allowed it, but shortly after, I got a notification that my Instagram was getting logged into. I called my son who told me it wasn't possible as she wasn't on my phone at that moment and that he had wiped it clean. I obviously didn't say anything to him after that.
I called my other son and expressed my concerns that everything was being logged into and that dodgy things were happening on my phone, and I was obviously very worried about what she was doing. He called my other son and my son came to give me back my phone despite my insistence to let her keep it.

The mistake I made was that my in-laws were there for both these conversations.

Life continued as normal until a few weeks later at a family function. I greeted my son and DIL, played with my grandchildren, all seemed normal up until the end where she looked a bit off. They left.
My son calls me back later that day to ask to have a chat, my daughter-in-law is there with him.
She tells me someone (I don't know who) walked up to her during the function and told her that things were still being said about her. They told her I called her a very bad person, a crazy woman, that she was looking for problems, that I said she was dead to me, that she had crazy episodes, etc... I felt absolutely humiliated and told off like a child. She also told me someone else told her I had been discussing her intimacy with them (I only discussed that matter with ONE person, who wouldn't have told her, so I have no idea how she found out), she refused to tell me who it was but told me that she wouldn't come. I tried to calm things down during the conversation but it didn't work. She was adamant I was not telling her the truth and she wouldn't budge.

She said this time she was going no-contact with me, and because of the unsupervised ruling, this obviously means I will not be seeing the grandchildren.
But it gets worse. She said that "because I felt comfortable speaking ill of her and spreading lies in front of everyone else" she believed I would speak ill of her in front of her children, and that she didn't want me to see them at all, even once my son is allowed to be supervised with them.

My son said he approved of the decision and he had to stand by his wife.
I believe he is being coerced into this, he "HAS" to stand by his wife.
I also believe he is scared that if he says no to his wife, he will only be able to see his children in a contact centre or maybe not at all.

I don't know what to do, I have enough problems as is, my son has enough problems as is, and life as it is is hard enough for all of us without this being added to our circumstances.

I tried to reassure her, told her I was sorry she felt that way, that she was a brave woman and that I liked her, but she wouldn't budge.

My son has tried calling me a few times since but I haven't replied yet. I don't know what to say or what to do going forward.

My grandchildren, whom I adore, are being used as a weapon. This has nothing to do with them. I don't understand why I can't see them.

To add, my son wasn't allowed to be there at the hospital during birth or at the birth registry, so he is not on his second child's birth certificate, which makes things all the more complicated for him.

OP posts:
Mimiconvos · 08/11/2024 14:27

If I thought for one second that my MIL was on a WhatsApp group with my husband and his siblings ripping me to shreds it would be the end of my marriage. What type of people do that to someone? What an utterly horrible bunch.

Hoppinggreen · 08/11/2024 14:27

Generally speaking I find that people who post on here do so in a way that presents themselves in the best light possible.
If OP is doing that then imagine what shes really like?
She has been very unpleasant to her DIL from day one and I dread to think why her son isn't allowed around his own children.
If I were her I would move as far away from the lot of them as possible and try to forget any of them ever existed

thepariscrimefiles · 08/11/2024 14:27

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:52

How so? As long as nothing is said to her face I don't see what I did wrong. I keep my distance, I barely ever call or go to theirs, I give them space. I even bought her gifts recently.

Sometimes in-laws don't get along with each other, it happens, there's no need to take dramatic and drastic measures and go no contact.

My in-laws treated me like rubbish, I was still polite and courteous with them.

Edited

You said terrible things about her to other people who told her what you had said! I can't believe that you really don't think you have done anything wrong.

At least if you had said things to her face you would have been honest.

If I were your DIL, I wouldn't see or speak to you again, or let my children see you. It is likely, given your past behaviour, that you would say terrible things about their mother to her children.

You deserve everything you get.

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Wigglewoowoo · 08/11/2024 14:27

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:21

Does she see your kids?

Hahaha there is no way you'd be seeing my kids if you were my MIL.
I can't believe you think you should be allowed anywhere near your DIL children. You've bitched repeatedly behind your DIL back and to family of course you'd say it to her kids, you'd be telling them how much you'd see them if it wasn't for their mum.

smooththecat · 08/11/2024 14:29

You fucking hate her, what do you expect? The way you describe her, your behaviour, it’s awful. You’re not a good person.

BarbadosItsCloserThanYouThink · 08/11/2024 14:29

Wow just wow, your poor DIL. Her inlaws are awful to her and her husband has done something that makes him a potential danger to her children.
It sounds like she'd be better off without the lot of you.

Cheesetoastiees · 08/11/2024 14:29

Your DIL sounds very sensible. If I’d heard someone was talking about me and saying the dramatic things you have been saying behind my back my DC would not have contact with them especially if they openly stated they would not like me to be married to my DH. There would be a risk of you speaking negatively in front of her DC as you’ve openly spoken negatively about her in front of family on a few occasions.

She’s absolutely right to have made this decision. You need to learn to hold your tounge and be less bitchy. With your son’s issues and young children, it sounds like she has enough on her plate without having a mil who clearly dislikes her and talks about her behind her back. A lot of lessons for you to learn here and you’ve lost your grandchildren through bitchy behaviour.

Pumpkinpyee · 08/11/2024 14:29

This does not reflect well on you OP! I feel sorry for DIL.

ginasevern · 08/11/2024 14:30

To be honest OP you sound batshit. You didn't just make one hapless comment about your DIL, it was lots of unpleasant comments said in front of and deliberately to other people in the family and sent on WhatsApp too. Did it not cross your mind that some of this would get back to her? Surely you're old enough to know how the world works and that things get repeated. It sounds like you didn't care whether she heard or not. If you think your DIL in going to forgive the vile things you've said about her you are living in some kind of fantasy universe. Didn't it cross your mind that she wouldn't want anything ever again to do with you? Your son hardly sounds like a catch either - bail conditions, social services, not allowed at the birth - wtf! Personally I wouldn't let my kids near either of you.

Chypre · 08/11/2024 14:30

My MIL could have written this post (except she's not English speaking). There is no comeback from this, OP. You will never see her, your grandchildren, and quite possibly, your son. Not because "she is taking them away," but because you are a horrible person and refuse to admit it. "Biting you tongue" only means you are insistent you are in the right but "trying to keep the peace", you don't see the wrongs you did and not feeling guilty in the slightest. And she knows it. And she will never forget it.

TimPat · 08/11/2024 14:31

Well after reading this I'm off to hug my MIL and tell her how much I appreciate her not ever behaving like this. DIL is completely justified OP.

SummerSnowstorm · 08/11/2024 14:32

Those kids will be better off without their abusive dad or narcissistic spiteful gossiping grandmother. Leave them and their mum alone.
Honestly look at how you've behaved its repulsive.

WhatASadLittleLifeJayne · 08/11/2024 14:32

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:21

Does she see your kids?

FWIW OP, we’re NC with FIL and obviously no, he doesn’t see our kids - if we aren’t comfortable around him, why the hell would we be comfortable having our kids around him??

SerafinasGoose · 08/11/2024 14:32

Her text message was something along the lines of "I found text messages where you all said you never wanted the marriage to happen after saying that I had no intention of marrying your son and just wanted to sleep around, that I was not respectable, that I was going to take all his money, to keep his money away from me, that I was after his passport, etc etc..." and that although she wouldn't object to seeing our grandchild, she didn't want to have anything to do with us and that she wasn't going to join us for Christmas". All in all a very dramatic text for something that happened WITHIN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS a YEAR AGO.

Over-dramatic? I don't think so.

Those are truly hateful things to say about a person. Misogynistic is the least of what they are. The passport comment augurs strongly of possible racism to boot.

If this post is genuine then you are understandably evasive about the nature of the 'unfortunate' things that resulted in your son's being granted a supervised contact order. Of course you are. Those things are indeed 'unfortunate' when a man can no longer see his own children unsupervised.

Given the above, I'd say your DiL's concerns about parental alienation are well founded. You say you don't know why you are no longer allowed to see your grandchildren.

Really?

rugbyclub · 08/11/2024 14:33

Wow OP. You are toxic as all hell. You've destroyed your relationship with DiL, tried to sweep your frankly unforgivable actions under the carpet and press the reset button several times, and now she's finally seen the light and stopped giving you multiple "second chances" (the clue is in the name) you're trying to make her the bad one for protecting her DC from that toxicity. You don't think much of her, she doesn't like that and finds it hurtful, fair enough. "I only bitched about you and spoke about your personal business in private" really doesn't cut it. God alone knows what your DS has done to be allowed supervised contact only. I sincerely hope DIL and DGC manage to get as far away from your messed up family dynamics as possible, permanently.

PanAmHostess · 08/11/2024 14:33

You all sound batshit.

smooththecat · 08/11/2024 14:33

“told her I was sorry she felt that way” - you gaslit her
“that she was a brave woman and that I liked her” - you lied to her, she knows you hate her

Sunbeam01 · 08/11/2024 14:33

You sound like the worst MIL in the world.

Your poor DIL.

Katbum · 08/11/2024 14:34

Your son must have done something pretty appalling to lose contact with his kids. Everyone in this situation sucks. You sound like a drama queen who centres herself in her son’s marriage; your son is a criminal; you DIL is staying with a man who is not legally allowed to be with his own kids unsupervised. You’re all horrible and I hope the kids get through unscathed.

BarbaraHoward · 08/11/2024 14:34

Is this the Russian/Ukrainian DIL again? Either way, you sound like the MIL from hell, she's stuck with it far longer than I would have.

I can't imagine what your son did that means he can't be unsupervised with his own children.

Poor woman dealing with all that, her family in a different country, and you keep bitching about her and saying awful things about her to anyone who will listen.

You're a generation older than her but trying to claim naivety and inexperienced. It's all so strange.

smooththecat · 08/11/2024 14:35

“Everyone is entitled to their opinion” - yep, and she’s well advised to hold you in very low regard

drivinmecrazy · 08/11/2024 14:37

I'm sorry, this has to be a sick sick joke!
If not what an abhorrent parent/MIL/GP you are!!!

Don't say this lightly because there is usually two sides to a story.
But in this instant I don't need to hear any more.

I went NC with my MIL for far far less.

As for your GC, they are not yours by some magical right.

It chills me that your DS isn't allowed unsupervised access to his own kids and you won't even acknowledge this.

Madness!!

Wigglywoowho · 08/11/2024 14:37

You slagged her off left, right and centre. You think it's okay because it was behind her back but in my opinion it makes you even more of a snake. If I was her I wouldn't let you near my kids either. Truth be told I would also make your son see the kids in a contact center. You are toxic.

alexismul · 08/11/2024 14:37

Your poor DIL. She made the right decision.

3peassuit · 08/11/2024 14:37

If I were Dil, I'd keep you as far away from me as is humanly possible.