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Tension with DIL - can't see grandchildren anymore

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namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:46

I don't know what to do and I'm looking for advice.
I'm going to try to be as honest and objective as I can.

My son married my daughter in law a little over three years ago.
To be honest I didn't want the marriage to happen, I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her.
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her. I had no experience back then, and if I could go back I would, but what is done and is done and I considered it water under the bridge.

A few months into their marriage, she got pregnant and the relationship between them started going sour. My son, his siblings and I are very close and often discuss issues, try to resolve them, or simply vent as a family.
I tried to hide my issues with her for the sake of my son and my grandchild and things seemed to get better between us.

When my grandchild was born, things seemed to get a lot better between us, I asked them to move closer (they moved to the other side of the UK for my son's job) so they could have family support (her family lives abroad), they called me to have a "heart-to-heart". She said during that call that she was reluctant to move closer because of "the way she was treated" (which I found unfair, because we did have our fond moments and a great time together, I found it unfair to brush the whole thing away, but I bit my tongue) and that my extended family, whom I stupidly confided in, told her what I said about her behind her back. I was mortified. Again, I was new to all of that and I know I should not have. I don't know who exactly told her all that, but I apologised and she said she would consider the move. The thing is she holds a lot of grudges and doesn't let go.

A few months later, she texts me out of the blue to tell me she had found text messages on my son's phone of a group chat where his brother, my son and I talked about her (back when she was pregnant that is, so there would have to have been some digging). Her text message was something along the lines of "I found text messages where you all said you never wanted the marriage to happen after saying that I had no intention of marrying your son and just wanted to sleep around, that I was not respectable, that I was going to take all his money, to keep his money away from me, that I was after his passport, etc etc..." and that although she wouldn't object to seeing our grandchild, she didn't want to have anything to do with us and that she wasn't going to join us for Christmas". All in all a very dramatic text for something that happened WITHIN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS a YEAR AGO. The rule was basically that I could go to my son's house, my grandchild would come to see us with his dad, but that she wouldn't join in.

I had my in-laws around when she sent me the text message and I made the mistake of reading it aloud to them. I was very shaken and admittedly quite angry as it meant they were probably not going to move closer anymore, and that new drama started, and I impulsively said in front of them that she was crazy, that she was a bad person and that she was looking for problems scrolling through messages to find conversations that had occurred, once again, a year prior.
Again, nothing hostile was ever said to her face since the day they moved out, I was always kind and courteous to her from that moment. My opinions were shared within private conversations AWAY from her.

I bit my tongue again and tried to give her a call to apologise and asked my son if we could speak to her, but she wouldn't respond.
A couple of months later I came to their house, spoke to her, and things seemed to go back to normal. They moved closer.

In the meantime, our second grandchild was born, and some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children anymore, and my daughter-in-law is the only one who is allowed to supervise contact.

My son came to my house, found an old phone in a box and asked if he could take it to let my daughter in law borrow it because hers was broken and they couldn't afford to get it fixed yet. I allowed it, but shortly after, I got a notification that my Instagram was getting logged into. I called my son who told me it wasn't possible as she wasn't on my phone at that moment and that he had wiped it clean. I obviously didn't say anything to him after that.
I called my other son and expressed my concerns that everything was being logged into and that dodgy things were happening on my phone, and I was obviously very worried about what she was doing. He called my other son and my son came to give me back my phone despite my insistence to let her keep it.

The mistake I made was that my in-laws were there for both these conversations.

Life continued as normal until a few weeks later at a family function. I greeted my son and DIL, played with my grandchildren, all seemed normal up until the end where she looked a bit off. They left.
My son calls me back later that day to ask to have a chat, my daughter-in-law is there with him.
She tells me someone (I don't know who) walked up to her during the function and told her that things were still being said about her. They told her I called her a very bad person, a crazy woman, that she was looking for problems, that I said she was dead to me, that she had crazy episodes, etc... I felt absolutely humiliated and told off like a child. She also told me someone else told her I had been discussing her intimacy with them (I only discussed that matter with ONE person, who wouldn't have told her, so I have no idea how she found out), she refused to tell me who it was but told me that she wouldn't come. I tried to calm things down during the conversation but it didn't work. She was adamant I was not telling her the truth and she wouldn't budge.

She said this time she was going no-contact with me, and because of the unsupervised ruling, this obviously means I will not be seeing the grandchildren.
But it gets worse. She said that "because I felt comfortable speaking ill of her and spreading lies in front of everyone else" she believed I would speak ill of her in front of her children, and that she didn't want me to see them at all, even once my son is allowed to be supervised with them.

My son said he approved of the decision and he had to stand by his wife.
I believe he is being coerced into this, he "HAS" to stand by his wife.
I also believe he is scared that if he says no to his wife, he will only be able to see his children in a contact centre or maybe not at all.

I don't know what to do, I have enough problems as is, my son has enough problems as is, and life as it is is hard enough for all of us without this being added to our circumstances.

I tried to reassure her, told her I was sorry she felt that way, that she was a brave woman and that I liked her, but she wouldn't budge.

My son has tried calling me a few times since but I haven't replied yet. I don't know what to say or what to do going forward.

My grandchildren, whom I adore, are being used as a weapon. This has nothing to do with them. I don't understand why I can't see them.

To add, my son wasn't allowed to be there at the hospital during birth or at the birth registry, so he is not on his second child's birth certificate, which makes things all the more complicated for him.

OP posts:
FictionalCharacter · 09/11/2024 16:07

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:09

This is what worries me. The justice system is extremely flawed and I saw the consequences of it on my son's mental health. He is a wonderful father and it is all unfair. This has been going on for months now.

But you said earlier he hasn’t been charged with anything. So he isn’t even in the criminal justice system at all. Or has he had brushes with the law before?

Newgirls · 10/11/2024 09:21

That’s an excellent article

Interested in this thread?

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mbosnz · 10/11/2024 10:05

Your actions, your consequences. You sound like the kind of MIL I would move AWAY from. 12,000 miles would be a good distance. Then you could talk shit about me to your little heart's content.

Meamie · 10/11/2024 14:44

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:14

It is polite to remind someone that they have a home to go to.

Hang on, are you blaming her for your son not abiding by your house rules? Your son is not accountable at all?

Thevelvelletes · 10/11/2024 14:49

Pogggle · 08/11/2024 14:02

Are you the poster who keeps posting about about how awful your daughter in law is, and then when people point out that actually you are the problem, you then pretend it's a reverse? This thread is exactly like an identical one that was posted the other day

Thought the scenarios were very familiar... thanks for highlighting.

SadAboutSD · 11/11/2024 16:25

Thevelvelletes · 10/11/2024 14:49

Thought the scenarios were very familiar... thanks for highlighting.

Is it the thread 'excluded from grandchildren's life" ?

Mummy3Plus1 · 13/11/2024 14:19

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:46

I don't know what to do and I'm looking for advice.
I'm going to try to be as honest and objective as I can.

My son married my daughter in law a little over three years ago.
To be honest I didn't want the marriage to happen, I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her.
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her. I had no experience back then, and if I could go back I would, but what is done and is done and I considered it water under the bridge.

A few months into their marriage, she got pregnant and the relationship between them started going sour. My son, his siblings and I are very close and often discuss issues, try to resolve them, or simply vent as a family.
I tried to hide my issues with her for the sake of my son and my grandchild and things seemed to get better between us.

When my grandchild was born, things seemed to get a lot better between us, I asked them to move closer (they moved to the other side of the UK for my son's job) so they could have family support (her family lives abroad), they called me to have a "heart-to-heart". She said during that call that she was reluctant to move closer because of "the way she was treated" (which I found unfair, because we did have our fond moments and a great time together, I found it unfair to brush the whole thing away, but I bit my tongue) and that my extended family, whom I stupidly confided in, told her what I said about her behind her back. I was mortified. Again, I was new to all of that and I know I should not have. I don't know who exactly told her all that, but I apologised and she said she would consider the move. The thing is she holds a lot of grudges and doesn't let go.

A few months later, she texts me out of the blue to tell me she had found text messages on my son's phone of a group chat where his brother, my son and I talked about her (back when she was pregnant that is, so there would have to have been some digging). Her text message was something along the lines of "I found text messages where you all said you never wanted the marriage to happen after saying that I had no intention of marrying your son and just wanted to sleep around, that I was not respectable, that I was going to take all his money, to keep his money away from me, that I was after his passport, etc etc..." and that although she wouldn't object to seeing our grandchild, she didn't want to have anything to do with us and that she wasn't going to join us for Christmas". All in all a very dramatic text for something that happened WITHIN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS a YEAR AGO. The rule was basically that I could go to my son's house, my grandchild would come to see us with his dad, but that she wouldn't join in.

I had my in-laws around when she sent me the text message and I made the mistake of reading it aloud to them. I was very shaken and admittedly quite angry as it meant they were probably not going to move closer anymore, and that new drama started, and I impulsively said in front of them that she was crazy, that she was a bad person and that she was looking for problems scrolling through messages to find conversations that had occurred, once again, a year prior.
Again, nothing hostile was ever said to her face since the day they moved out, I was always kind and courteous to her from that moment. My opinions were shared within private conversations AWAY from her.

I bit my tongue again and tried to give her a call to apologise and asked my son if we could speak to her, but she wouldn't respond.
A couple of months later I came to their house, spoke to her, and things seemed to go back to normal. They moved closer.

In the meantime, our second grandchild was born, and some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children anymore, and my daughter-in-law is the only one who is allowed to supervise contact.

My son came to my house, found an old phone in a box and asked if he could take it to let my daughter in law borrow it because hers was broken and they couldn't afford to get it fixed yet. I allowed it, but shortly after, I got a notification that my Instagram was getting logged into. I called my son who told me it wasn't possible as she wasn't on my phone at that moment and that he had wiped it clean. I obviously didn't say anything to him after that.
I called my other son and expressed my concerns that everything was being logged into and that dodgy things were happening on my phone, and I was obviously very worried about what she was doing. He called my other son and my son came to give me back my phone despite my insistence to let her keep it.

The mistake I made was that my in-laws were there for both these conversations.

Life continued as normal until a few weeks later at a family function. I greeted my son and DIL, played with my grandchildren, all seemed normal up until the end where she looked a bit off. They left.
My son calls me back later that day to ask to have a chat, my daughter-in-law is there with him.
She tells me someone (I don't know who) walked up to her during the function and told her that things were still being said about her. They told her I called her a very bad person, a crazy woman, that she was looking for problems, that I said she was dead to me, that she had crazy episodes, etc... I felt absolutely humiliated and told off like a child. She also told me someone else told her I had been discussing her intimacy with them (I only discussed that matter with ONE person, who wouldn't have told her, so I have no idea how she found out), she refused to tell me who it was but told me that she wouldn't come. I tried to calm things down during the conversation but it didn't work. She was adamant I was not telling her the truth and she wouldn't budge.

She said this time she was going no-contact with me, and because of the unsupervised ruling, this obviously means I will not be seeing the grandchildren.
But it gets worse. She said that "because I felt comfortable speaking ill of her and spreading lies in front of everyone else" she believed I would speak ill of her in front of her children, and that she didn't want me to see them at all, even once my son is allowed to be supervised with them.

My son said he approved of the decision and he had to stand by his wife.
I believe he is being coerced into this, he "HAS" to stand by his wife.
I also believe he is scared that if he says no to his wife, he will only be able to see his children in a contact centre or maybe not at all.

I don't know what to do, I have enough problems as is, my son has enough problems as is, and life as it is is hard enough for all of us without this being added to our circumstances.

I tried to reassure her, told her I was sorry she felt that way, that she was a brave woman and that I liked her, but she wouldn't budge.

My son has tried calling me a few times since but I haven't replied yet. I don't know what to say or what to do going forward.

My grandchildren, whom I adore, are being used as a weapon. This has nothing to do with them. I don't understand why I can't see them.

To add, my son wasn't allowed to be there at the hospital during birth or at the birth registry, so he is not on his second child's birth certificate, which makes things all the more complicated for him.

To be extremely blunt, even with your weak attempts at trying to justify your actions. You have been absolutely vile. This woman gave you chance after chance and you have treated her appallingly. If we had her side of the story I am sure there is much more you haven't said. You need to leave this poor woman alone. You are at your own admission a toxic MIL. You need to leave your son to sort out whatever mistakes he's made and get his life back on track without worrying about your drama. He is supporting his wife as it should be. I say this as a mother of a son, I would NEVER treat my son with such disrespect of being so awful to his partner. You need to take a long look at yourself. Allow her the space to heal and hope that one day they choose to forgive you.

RachTheAlpaca · 13/11/2024 14:19

You sound pretty horrid to be honest and your son isn't safe to be around his own children?!
If I was your daughter in law I'd grab my 2 kids and run far, far away from both of you.

DeathoftheEndless · 13/11/2024 14:22

I absolutely cannot believe this thread, OP you sound awful.
I genuinely can't understand why you think any parent in their right mind would allow access to their children to someone who has treated them the way you have. I would never allow my children around someone so nasty.
You have lost access to your grandchildren through your own terrible behaviour, and somehow think it's your DIL's fault. Unbelievable.

BeWittyRobin · 13/11/2024 14:30

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:52

How so? As long as nothing is said to her face I don't see what I did wrong. I keep my distance, I barely ever call or go to theirs, I give them space. I even bought her gifts recently.

Sometimes in-laws don't get along with each other, it happens, there's no need to take dramatic and drastic measures and go no contact.

My in-laws treated me like rubbish, I was still polite and courteous with them.

Edited

I would have more respect for you if you had voiced your concerns to her face rather than behind her back to what sounds like everyone. What makes it ok to bitch, slag off and say the things you have just because it’s behind her back and not to her face. That to me would make me distrust you quite frankly.

You really do not sound like a very nice, supportive mother in law to the mother of your grandchildren. Multiple times you have been caught out bitching and being unkind about her yet you don’t seem to have any remorse and then do it again?!

If you were mine, I’d have been gracious and accepted your first apology but then as in you have said yourself it continued I would cut contact and I wouldn’t let you have contact with your grandchildren because ultimately they are her children and I wouldn’t want them to be around you nor trust you around them.

i actually think the only thing you can do to have any chance of mending this situation would be to stop being a bitch and slagging her off for starters and allow time. Time and sort out those loose lips of yours cos what’s the saying, ‘loose lips sink ships’.

And a word of warning, my grandma was the exact same towards my mum, took an instant dislike to her because she was quiet. Years in fact decade she slagged her off to anyone that would listen, condemning my parents marriage, wishing divorce, picked apart her good nature, this went on for 30+years until my uncle (dads brother) actually told my mum and he wished he had told her sooner. My grandma is a very bitter women in truth and guess what out of her 5 children only 2 speak to her, out of 8 grandchildren and 20 great grandchildren none have contact because of the nastiness she felt was ok to say about her sons wives over the decades because her she was two faced and just slagged them off behind their backs when they were not their to defend themselves. So please yourself out and take responsibility what you did was wrong, it was unfair and quite frankly not your right.

BeWittyRobin · 13/11/2024 14:36

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:01

It's not to her extended family, I meant it as in my in-laws, my husband's family. not hers

But they are her extended family presumably your in laws are your sons grandparents that makes them also her extended family 🤷🏻‍♀️

Niknakcake · 13/11/2024 14:38

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:14

He is not going to have supervised contact forever. This case will one day be closed and things will be back to normal. I want to have a relationship then but I don't know how to convince him.
He has tried calling and texting me since the incident but I haven't replied because I don't know what to say. This is why I am here

Or the investigation will be concluded your son will be found guilty and charged and punished accordingly which could be a permenant removal of his parental rights.

Ladyluck22 · 13/11/2024 14:40

if you were my mother-in-law, I would definitely be no contact with you and you definitely would not be seeing the children. You say you made mistakes, but you never seem to learn from them and kept repeating them and obviously the wider family like her else they wouldn’t be telling her what you’re saying.

Swiftie1878 · 13/11/2024 14:43

So the question is ‘what should I do?’…

You should:
Leave your poor DIL alone and never make contact with her again.
Support your son in trying to get his life back together, and whilst doing so, do NOT even mention his wife, whisper her name or make any reference to her whatsoever.
Once your son is back on track, leave them both alone and never bother them again.
Finally, shut your very big mouth. If you need to say anything at all, make sure it is nice. If it’s not nice, do not speak.

You need to understand that you are a terrible, terrible person. Only isolation and silence is good enough for you.

Get some counselling. Self-reflect. Take responsibility for all the pain you have caused to so many family members. But above all else, keep your mouth shut, your beak out and realise that your GCs are much better off without you in their lives.

Harry12345 · 13/11/2024 14:47

Jeeso I was willing to be a bit softer with op as people are allowed to not like others and most people discuss this with close family but as the responses go on you are definitely being unreasonable. I can’t believe you see your adult son coming home at 1am as an issue she has caused

Wanttomakemincepies · 13/11/2024 14:48

So essentially OP is annoyed all her shit talk has come back to haunt her. Think this is karma and DIL is best out of that toxic situation. What a vile MIL you are.

Thirstysue · 13/11/2024 15:01

Well aren't you a nightmare mother in law. You're doing a great job of upholding the true stereotype, lady!

1989whome · 13/11/2024 15:11

Wow you sound terrible!! You think its okay to slag her off to anyone who will listen? Then play the victim, try therapy you may need it if you think that's normal. She has done the right thing cutting you off from her children. And your son? Why does he have to have supervised visit? Authorities do not do that for fun, there has to be a substantial reason. They way you've told this, I can't see any problem with Dil. It's all you isn't it.

OleWomanInAShoe · 13/11/2024 15:17

This has to be a rage bait post. Nobody with enough brain cells to operate could have such a lack of self awareness.
Honestly you sound like the mother in law from hell.

hot2trotter · 13/11/2024 15:20

Urgh. You sound exactly like my MIL. Who I now have nothing to do with. And no, I don't allow her to see my children either.
She too was given chance after chance by me, I kept forgiving (never forgetting, though) but nothing changed in 7 years and I reached the end of my tether. Good for your DIL.

BeWittyRobin · 13/11/2024 15:36

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:14

It is polite to remind someone that they have a home to go to.

Im sorry but this was not her responsibility, it was your sons. It was for your son to have respect for his parents with whom he lived with to come home at a reasonable time for yourselves not for her to instil that. That is on him not her.

I’ve looked through all your replies to people and I honestly feel more sorry for your dil that I did when I had only read your original post. Honestly seems she was condemned from the very beginning. End of the day, your son chose her, by all accounts he loves her and chosen to start a family with her, a future. You had the opportunity to be apart of that, a piece of that but on more that one occasion you voiced too many opinions and nasty remarks to your family member and actually being your partners ‘wife’ those family member s became her extended family members. Sounds like she wasn’t the person you would have chosen for your son, but that’s not your chose to make nor was it ever your chose to make.

i fear the damage is done. She is the mother of your grandchildren, she is a part of her along with your son. She deserves not to be slagged off behind her back and to be topic of nasty conversation. Why does it have to be seen that he is only standing by her decision to cut you out be out of ‘fear’ and not because he too can see how poorly you’ve behaved.

Yes you say you apologised, very big of you but you continued to do it, got caught again so I too wouldn’t accept any following apologies.

GingerDoris · 13/11/2024 15:37

I think you need to learn to check yourself, before you wreck yourself.

Stop talking about her to other people and try to learn a lesson from it all. x

XenaBallerina · 13/11/2024 15:40

The only reason I’m aware of for supervised visits is DV. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Your DIL has every right to not want anything to do with you. Your actions and opinions speak volumes about you. I don’t blame her going NC.

Navyontop · 13/11/2024 15:40

Is this a real post? Are you a real person?
This is absolutely bonkers and you sound totally awful. If you were my MiL I’d move to another country to get away from you and your whole gossiping, unkind family.