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Tension with DIL - can't see grandchildren anymore

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namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:46

I don't know what to do and I'm looking for advice.
I'm going to try to be as honest and objective as I can.

My son married my daughter in law a little over three years ago.
To be honest I didn't want the marriage to happen, I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her.
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her. I had no experience back then, and if I could go back I would, but what is done and is done and I considered it water under the bridge.

A few months into their marriage, she got pregnant and the relationship between them started going sour. My son, his siblings and I are very close and often discuss issues, try to resolve them, or simply vent as a family.
I tried to hide my issues with her for the sake of my son and my grandchild and things seemed to get better between us.

When my grandchild was born, things seemed to get a lot better between us, I asked them to move closer (they moved to the other side of the UK for my son's job) so they could have family support (her family lives abroad), they called me to have a "heart-to-heart". She said during that call that she was reluctant to move closer because of "the way she was treated" (which I found unfair, because we did have our fond moments and a great time together, I found it unfair to brush the whole thing away, but I bit my tongue) and that my extended family, whom I stupidly confided in, told her what I said about her behind her back. I was mortified. Again, I was new to all of that and I know I should not have. I don't know who exactly told her all that, but I apologised and she said she would consider the move. The thing is she holds a lot of grudges and doesn't let go.

A few months later, she texts me out of the blue to tell me she had found text messages on my son's phone of a group chat where his brother, my son and I talked about her (back when she was pregnant that is, so there would have to have been some digging). Her text message was something along the lines of "I found text messages where you all said you never wanted the marriage to happen after saying that I had no intention of marrying your son and just wanted to sleep around, that I was not respectable, that I was going to take all his money, to keep his money away from me, that I was after his passport, etc etc..." and that although she wouldn't object to seeing our grandchild, she didn't want to have anything to do with us and that she wasn't going to join us for Christmas". All in all a very dramatic text for something that happened WITHIN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS a YEAR AGO. The rule was basically that I could go to my son's house, my grandchild would come to see us with his dad, but that she wouldn't join in.

I had my in-laws around when she sent me the text message and I made the mistake of reading it aloud to them. I was very shaken and admittedly quite angry as it meant they were probably not going to move closer anymore, and that new drama started, and I impulsively said in front of them that she was crazy, that she was a bad person and that she was looking for problems scrolling through messages to find conversations that had occurred, once again, a year prior.
Again, nothing hostile was ever said to her face since the day they moved out, I was always kind and courteous to her from that moment. My opinions were shared within private conversations AWAY from her.

I bit my tongue again and tried to give her a call to apologise and asked my son if we could speak to her, but she wouldn't respond.
A couple of months later I came to their house, spoke to her, and things seemed to go back to normal. They moved closer.

In the meantime, our second grandchild was born, and some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children anymore, and my daughter-in-law is the only one who is allowed to supervise contact.

My son came to my house, found an old phone in a box and asked if he could take it to let my daughter in law borrow it because hers was broken and they couldn't afford to get it fixed yet. I allowed it, but shortly after, I got a notification that my Instagram was getting logged into. I called my son who told me it wasn't possible as she wasn't on my phone at that moment and that he had wiped it clean. I obviously didn't say anything to him after that.
I called my other son and expressed my concerns that everything was being logged into and that dodgy things were happening on my phone, and I was obviously very worried about what she was doing. He called my other son and my son came to give me back my phone despite my insistence to let her keep it.

The mistake I made was that my in-laws were there for both these conversations.

Life continued as normal until a few weeks later at a family function. I greeted my son and DIL, played with my grandchildren, all seemed normal up until the end where she looked a bit off. They left.
My son calls me back later that day to ask to have a chat, my daughter-in-law is there with him.
She tells me someone (I don't know who) walked up to her during the function and told her that things were still being said about her. They told her I called her a very bad person, a crazy woman, that she was looking for problems, that I said she was dead to me, that she had crazy episodes, etc... I felt absolutely humiliated and told off like a child. She also told me someone else told her I had been discussing her intimacy with them (I only discussed that matter with ONE person, who wouldn't have told her, so I have no idea how she found out), she refused to tell me who it was but told me that she wouldn't come. I tried to calm things down during the conversation but it didn't work. She was adamant I was not telling her the truth and she wouldn't budge.

She said this time she was going no-contact with me, and because of the unsupervised ruling, this obviously means I will not be seeing the grandchildren.
But it gets worse. She said that "because I felt comfortable speaking ill of her and spreading lies in front of everyone else" she believed I would speak ill of her in front of her children, and that she didn't want me to see them at all, even once my son is allowed to be supervised with them.

My son said he approved of the decision and he had to stand by his wife.
I believe he is being coerced into this, he "HAS" to stand by his wife.
I also believe he is scared that if he says no to his wife, he will only be able to see his children in a contact centre or maybe not at all.

I don't know what to do, I have enough problems as is, my son has enough problems as is, and life as it is is hard enough for all of us without this being added to our circumstances.

I tried to reassure her, told her I was sorry she felt that way, that she was a brave woman and that I liked her, but she wouldn't budge.

My son has tried calling me a few times since but I haven't replied yet. I don't know what to say or what to do going forward.

My grandchildren, whom I adore, are being used as a weapon. This has nothing to do with them. I don't understand why I can't see them.

To add, my son wasn't allowed to be there at the hospital during birth or at the birth registry, so he is not on his second child's birth certificate, which makes things all the more complicated for him.

OP posts:
Whatamess23 · 08/11/2024 15:26

You made your bed, now you can lie in it OP. You sound like a nightmare. And not dissimilar from my MIL who I'm now don't have any contact with. You don't sound sincerely sorry for your appalling behaviour. I experienced very similar behaviour from my MIL. She would never apologise. It was always "I'm sorry you feel that way". She always instigated trouble and drama and then was completely self indulgent about it, waterworks, stirring up the family pot. I thought well I've reached an age where I wouldn't be friends with someone who says unkind and malicious things about me. Just because they're family I'm not under any obligation to put up with it, why should I? It's really not that difficult to be kind to others. I let my husband facilitate the relationship between grandkids and his mum. Why on earth do you expect your DIL to be "polite and courteous" to you when you cannot do the same for her? I'd steer clear of you too.

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 08/11/2024 15:27

Ten out of ten for drip feeds OP.
Zero out of ten for emotional intelligence. Surely nobody is THIS self-absorbed?

AngsanaFlower · 08/11/2024 15:27

When I have a DIL I’m going to follow my parents excellent behaviour. I’ve had 3 SIL’s and I’ve never once heard them say a bad word about them, and they are far from perfect and my brothers have had loads of marriage issues.

Even when I’ve made a comment about my SIL’s they don’t say anything and tell me that I should keep it to myself, then no one can get upset. So I do. Neither me, nor my parents or other siblings have ever had a bad word with my SILs over 40 years.

On the other hand my MIL is like you. She only sees the bad in her DC’s partners, not the many positive attributes. As a result I have very little to do with her and my DC are not interested.

You slag her off to anyone who’ll listen. At the end of the day you are the fool.

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Prettybubblesintheair · 08/11/2024 15:27

I actually don’t think you should be allowed to see your grandchildren. You’re utterly vile and they are all better off without you in their lives.

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narns · 08/11/2024 15:28

If I was your DIL this would never be fixable. You have said the most disrespectful and awful things about her to your whole family, including her husband. You have been reckless while slagging her off, and it's got back to her. She sees you for who you are and she doesn't owe you a relationship.

She is right to be worried that you will attempt to poison the children against her as it sounds like you have attempted to do that with everyone else!

The most you can hope for is that your son is able to see the children unsupervised in the future and brings them to see you.

hepsitemiz · 08/11/2024 15:29

OP, you need to install a fucking industrial strength filter somewhere between your tiny toxic brain and your bitter twisted mouth.

But you won’t, will you?

This situation is irretrievable and ALL your fault.

Stew in it.

Ormally · 08/11/2024 15:29

But I have apologised. what else can I do if she doesn't want to see me again? how else am I supposed to apologise again?

You can't really make her do, or think, anything. Accepting this, and accepting that she has to rethink or change her mind on her terms and timescale, will take the first baby steps to respecting her current decisions - and her feelings towards you. You pushing on this door won't really gain anything though.

There may be a day when she can process these and consider whether some help/ bridging with her children might be helpful. No guarantees, though.

Tacsi · 08/11/2024 15:31

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:51

But people change and learn. I know I've changed and learned a lot.

you haven't though! you're still on here slagging her off and being absolutely vile about her, how is that change?

Nearly everyone is telling you you're in the wrong but you continue to be vile about Dil. You sound absolutely horrible and very toxic.

murasaki · 08/11/2024 15:32

I wonder if the in laws spilled to DiL because they too have been on the receiving end of your toxic brainfarts, and wanted you to get a taste of your own medicine. In which case well done them.

Completelyjo · 08/11/2024 15:36

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:17

She would never have said that to him.

She doesn’t have to!

If a grown man wants to see his girlfriend until one o’clock in the morning then it’s his bloody choice. If you had an issue with it then it was an issue with your adult son, nothing to do with your now FIL

thepariscrimefiles · 08/11/2024 15:38

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:16

But I have apologised. what else can I do if she doesn't want to see me again? how else am I supposed to apologise again?

Even if you have apologised, it is very clear to us that you don't mean any of it and I'm sure it is clear to your DIL as well.

Zippedydodah · 08/11/2024 15:38

WhatInFreshHell · Today 13:51
Gosh OP, you do not look good here....
How so? As long as nothing is said to her face I don't see what I did wrong. I keep my distance, I barely ever call or go to theirs, I give them space. I even bought her gifts recently
You sound as nasty as my MIl, all sweetness and light to my face and a vicious hypocrite when I wasn’t around.
Your DIL is well rid of you.

Mummyoflittledragon · 08/11/2024 15:38

Your in laws, as in your dh’s parents, told your dil what you said. Imo this is was loud and clear sign that they do not approve of you and your behaviour. Idk how they behaved with you in the past. But that doesn’t justify your current behaviour. This heavy criticism of a young mum is all incredibly toxic and I’m not surprised your dil wants nothing to do with you.

You could try writing a letter. But you’d have to mean it. You’re not there atm and are still commenting negatively on her. Just look at your posts criticising her for her house keeping, saying your ds had women lined up thus could have had his pick of what you considered more suitable women and so forth. So start with that. Perhaps better still get some therapy to discover why you’re so critical of her. Then try to sincerely make amends.

Terrribletwos · 08/11/2024 15:40

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:56

He isn't a criminal. He hasn't been charged with anything.
He had women lined up for him. My family says he could have gotten the most beautiful hard working woman from his own culture.

@namechanged8nov what culture would that be? The one where mil slags off the dil and expects respect? Sounds like it was your inlaws who shit stirred and passed on all you said about your dil, they sound awful too.

AcrossthePond55 · 08/11/2024 15:41

@namechanged8nov

I'll be blunt, since you seem to think that's the way to go. How stupid are you?

You let your DiL know from the get go that you disapprove of her and wish the marriage never happened. You slag her off to all and sundry and when someone had the common decency to tell her what you've said behind her back you're upset with her whent she called you to account for it. Your son is facing criminal charges and you make all sorts of excuses for him, but your DiL, who appears to be a decent human being and a good mum, is all sorts of wrong for not putting up with your abhorrent behaviour.

There does not exist enough words of apology (sincere or insincere) that would EVER make me be in your presence or allow my children near enough to you to be influenced by you, were I your DiL.

And I'm currently a MiL myself so don't tell yourself "Oh, she's a DiL like my DiL". My MiL was a dream and I pattern my behaviour on hers. She treated me like a daughter, always stuck up for me, and if she had any 'negatives' about me (and I don't think she did) she kept her mouth shut about them. I will NEVER criticize a DiL to my son! In fact my DS1 is currently separated from his wife and I still will not criticize her, to him or to anyone. I may sympathize with his pain (she cheated) but I will not add to his burden by expressing my own opinions.

You've made your bed of nails. Now shut up and go lie in it.

TheShellBeach · 08/11/2024 15:41

It'd be poetic justice if the DIL was on here and read all the awful things the OP has said about her.

Conqueeftador · 08/11/2024 15:43

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:10

I never told her I didn't like her.

In your own words in your original post op….

”To be honest I didn't want the marriage to happen, I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her.
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her”.

Reading through all the great replies, and then your own responses it is patently clear you will never rectify this situation, as you have zero ability to truly reflect on your own actions and shortcomings, so how can you ever address them? You are also downplaying your sons crime that is severe enough to mean he can’t be left unsupervised with his own children (I imagine you are convinced it’s all a big mistake and he’s totally innocent. Spoiler op, he’s probably guilty. Maybe he needed that spare phone to do something else shady).

You are blaming your DIL for all of your son’s actions. She didn’t have him shackled to her sofa until 1am, he could have come home whenever. That’s on him, she’s not his keeper. He’s a grown up. All of this shifting of blame to her from him will keep you angry with the wrong person and never resolve anything. If the house is a mess why isn’t he cleaning? She’s had 2 children. Marriage is a partnership. If he can’t care for the kids alone, then he can do the housework.

You repeatedly bitch about her to everyone. People talk. If you can’t say something good, keep your mouth shut. She has no family here, she must feel very isolated, and all she got from her new family was you being “direct” with her about not liking her, not wanting her as part of your family, followed by finding out all the awful things you have said to various people, repeatedly over years. I really feel for her, she must feel very isolated and alone. I hope she can get out and find a healthier situation to live in for herself and her children. You all sound truly awful.

Getamoveon2024 · 08/11/2024 15:48

You have not changed one little bit op. You are still on here slagging her off and (honestly, it’s so ridiculous as to be funny!) blaming her for the fact that he didn’t come home until one in the morning? What did she do? Tie him up? Sedate him so he couldn’t leave? As an adult man he made a choice, and that choice was to stay out. Looking at your behaviour, I am frankly surprised he came home at all.

Now your poor DIL has to deal with your son who, at best has “issues” and at worst is a complete wrong ‘un (despite you trying to minimise whatever “incident” occurred, supervised contact and being prevented from being at the birth does not happen for minor offences) and on top she has you, who, despite being confronted and “apologising” several times, have carried on spitting poison about her all over town and to friends and extended family. Are you really, truly so blind that you cannot see that you are in the wrong?

If I was her, I would take myself and my dc as far away from you and your toxic family as I could go.

murasaki · 08/11/2024 15:48

My MiL was a bit of a pain in the arse, no filter, not my kind of person, but at least called me posh and told me about myself to my face. However, she was also hilarious, would do anything for anyone, kind, had a smile wider than the Atlantic Ocean and I miss her a lot now she is gone, even the slightly barbed drunk comments (which, to be fair , stopped once she knew me better).

Your DiL won't miss you when you are gone, she'll most likely dance a jig.

Delphiniumandlupins · 08/11/2024 15:50

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:10

I never told her I didn't like her.

...I didn't like her...
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her.

Jom222 · 08/11/2024 15:51

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:10

I never told her I didn't like her.

no, you SHOWED her you dislike her.

You're a gossiping nag and a nightmare MIL. I wonder how many other people in your life have written you off and walked away? It's as if you read every awful MIL trope and are trying to outdo every one of them personally.

You thrive on shit talking others, trying to control others, meddling in everyone's affairs etc. Then acting like an innocent little lamb, forever at the mercy of the very people you've mistreated. And trying to reason with you is worse than bashing my head into the wall on repeat.

For once I'm hopeful that this is a troll post. Christ the racism alone is enough to make me sick.

SirChenjins · 08/11/2024 15:53

The more you post, the worse you sound OP.

You contribute nothing positive to your DiL's life and you (and your awful shit-stirring family) will contribute nothing positive to her children's lives either. You now have to live with the consequences of your actions and you really have only yourself to blame.

TheShellBeach · 08/11/2024 15:54

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:08

I would like to be able to see my grandchildren through my son at the very least.

Ah yes. Your wonderful, abusive son.
The son who isn't allowed to see his children till his bail conditions are lifted.
Hmm

murasaki · 08/11/2024 15:57

TheShellBeach · 08/11/2024 15:54

Ah yes. Your wonderful, abusive son.
The son who isn't allowed to see his children till his bail conditions are lifted.
Hmm

Yes, a man who isn't allowed to see his children unsupervised is a walking red flag. And you have to wonder where he got it from. Except in this case it's blindingly obvious.

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