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Tension with DIL - can't see grandchildren anymore

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namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:46

I don't know what to do and I'm looking for advice.
I'm going to try to be as honest and objective as I can.

My son married my daughter in law a little over three years ago.
To be honest I didn't want the marriage to happen, I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her.
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her. I had no experience back then, and if I could go back I would, but what is done and is done and I considered it water under the bridge.

A few months into their marriage, she got pregnant and the relationship between them started going sour. My son, his siblings and I are very close and often discuss issues, try to resolve them, or simply vent as a family.
I tried to hide my issues with her for the sake of my son and my grandchild and things seemed to get better between us.

When my grandchild was born, things seemed to get a lot better between us, I asked them to move closer (they moved to the other side of the UK for my son's job) so they could have family support (her family lives abroad), they called me to have a "heart-to-heart". She said during that call that she was reluctant to move closer because of "the way she was treated" (which I found unfair, because we did have our fond moments and a great time together, I found it unfair to brush the whole thing away, but I bit my tongue) and that my extended family, whom I stupidly confided in, told her what I said about her behind her back. I was mortified. Again, I was new to all of that and I know I should not have. I don't know who exactly told her all that, but I apologised and she said she would consider the move. The thing is she holds a lot of grudges and doesn't let go.

A few months later, she texts me out of the blue to tell me she had found text messages on my son's phone of a group chat where his brother, my son and I talked about her (back when she was pregnant that is, so there would have to have been some digging). Her text message was something along the lines of "I found text messages where you all said you never wanted the marriage to happen after saying that I had no intention of marrying your son and just wanted to sleep around, that I was not respectable, that I was going to take all his money, to keep his money away from me, that I was after his passport, etc etc..." and that although she wouldn't object to seeing our grandchild, she didn't want to have anything to do with us and that she wasn't going to join us for Christmas". All in all a very dramatic text for something that happened WITHIN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS a YEAR AGO. The rule was basically that I could go to my son's house, my grandchild would come to see us with his dad, but that she wouldn't join in.

I had my in-laws around when she sent me the text message and I made the mistake of reading it aloud to them. I was very shaken and admittedly quite angry as it meant they were probably not going to move closer anymore, and that new drama started, and I impulsively said in front of them that she was crazy, that she was a bad person and that she was looking for problems scrolling through messages to find conversations that had occurred, once again, a year prior.
Again, nothing hostile was ever said to her face since the day they moved out, I was always kind and courteous to her from that moment. My opinions were shared within private conversations AWAY from her.

I bit my tongue again and tried to give her a call to apologise and asked my son if we could speak to her, but she wouldn't respond.
A couple of months later I came to their house, spoke to her, and things seemed to go back to normal. They moved closer.

In the meantime, our second grandchild was born, and some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children anymore, and my daughter-in-law is the only one who is allowed to supervise contact.

My son came to my house, found an old phone in a box and asked if he could take it to let my daughter in law borrow it because hers was broken and they couldn't afford to get it fixed yet. I allowed it, but shortly after, I got a notification that my Instagram was getting logged into. I called my son who told me it wasn't possible as she wasn't on my phone at that moment and that he had wiped it clean. I obviously didn't say anything to him after that.
I called my other son and expressed my concerns that everything was being logged into and that dodgy things were happening on my phone, and I was obviously very worried about what she was doing. He called my other son and my son came to give me back my phone despite my insistence to let her keep it.

The mistake I made was that my in-laws were there for both these conversations.

Life continued as normal until a few weeks later at a family function. I greeted my son and DIL, played with my grandchildren, all seemed normal up until the end where she looked a bit off. They left.
My son calls me back later that day to ask to have a chat, my daughter-in-law is there with him.
She tells me someone (I don't know who) walked up to her during the function and told her that things were still being said about her. They told her I called her a very bad person, a crazy woman, that she was looking for problems, that I said she was dead to me, that she had crazy episodes, etc... I felt absolutely humiliated and told off like a child. She also told me someone else told her I had been discussing her intimacy with them (I only discussed that matter with ONE person, who wouldn't have told her, so I have no idea how she found out), she refused to tell me who it was but told me that she wouldn't come. I tried to calm things down during the conversation but it didn't work. She was adamant I was not telling her the truth and she wouldn't budge.

She said this time she was going no-contact with me, and because of the unsupervised ruling, this obviously means I will not be seeing the grandchildren.
But it gets worse. She said that "because I felt comfortable speaking ill of her and spreading lies in front of everyone else" she believed I would speak ill of her in front of her children, and that she didn't want me to see them at all, even once my son is allowed to be supervised with them.

My son said he approved of the decision and he had to stand by his wife.
I believe he is being coerced into this, he "HAS" to stand by his wife.
I also believe he is scared that if he says no to his wife, he will only be able to see his children in a contact centre or maybe not at all.

I don't know what to do, I have enough problems as is, my son has enough problems as is, and life as it is is hard enough for all of us without this being added to our circumstances.

I tried to reassure her, told her I was sorry she felt that way, that she was a brave woman and that I liked her, but she wouldn't budge.

My son has tried calling me a few times since but I haven't replied yet. I don't know what to say or what to do going forward.

My grandchildren, whom I adore, are being used as a weapon. This has nothing to do with them. I don't understand why I can't see them.

To add, my son wasn't allowed to be there at the hospital during birth or at the birth registry, so he is not on his second child's birth certificate, which makes things all the more complicated for him.

OP posts:
OldLondonDad · 08/11/2024 15:16

Well we've got the answer for that other thread... yes, karma is real.

AliceMcK · 08/11/2024 15:16

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:14

It is polite to remind someone that they have a home to go to.

And how do you know she didn’t, but he wanted to be with her rather than go home to you?

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:16

AliceMcK · 08/11/2024 15:15

The soloution is very clear, well to the rest of us any way. You apologise SINCERELY, acknowledge everything you have done wrong and step back allowing your son and his wife to get on with things. when you’ve proven you are a grown up, stopped slagging the mother of your grandchildren off, you DIL will maybe one day come round. If she dosnt she dosnt that’s her choice.

FYI My own mother has not seen my children for 6 years and never ever will if I have anything to do with it. My youngest dosnt even know she exsists. My mother could never admit she has ever done anything wrong and any apology she’s ever given has been fake and forced to please others. You sound just like her!

But I have apologised. what else can I do if she doesn't want to see me again? how else am I supposed to apologise again?

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Changingagang · 08/11/2024 15:16

Poor woman .

two kids , family far away , questionable husband by the sounds of it , and her other supposed support is behaving like a teenager gossiping about her behaviour.

for her sake - leave her be. It sounds like enough damage to her has been done.

regards to seeing your grandchildren, give it some time to let the dust settle then offer something helpful and low pressure- maybe taking them to the park for an hour.

Katiesaidthat · 08/11/2024 15:16

"I´m sorry you feel that way" is a non-apology. I use it on purpose to annoy certain people.
You should carve on your bedhead "We are masters of our thoughts and slaves of our words". Write it 5000 times.
As for your little boy, words fail. Who has to be back home early or mummy gets pissed off. And it´s all DiL´s fault.
I wish your DIL all the luck in the world, she will need it.

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:17

AliceMcK · 08/11/2024 15:16

And how do you know she didn’t, but he wanted to be with her rather than go home to you?

She would never have said that to him.

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Ohforgodssake123 · 08/11/2024 15:17

AnonymousBleep · 08/11/2024 15:15

I immediately thought it was that poster too.

Yeah the first line was a dead give away.

NewFriendlyLadybird · 08/11/2024 15:17

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thepariscrimefiles · 08/11/2024 15:17

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:10

I never told her I didn't like her.

This, from your OP, sounds as though you did tell her that you didn't like her:

To be honest I didn't want the marriage to happen, I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her.
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her.

GiftChoiceHelp · 08/11/2024 15:18

@namechanged8nov YABU you are an awful person

lemonlavendar · 08/11/2024 15:19

I applaud you DIL, OP.
I wouldn't have you anywhere near me or my family.

AnonymousBleep · 08/11/2024 15:19

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:16

But I have apologised. what else can I do if she doesn't want to see me again? how else am I supposed to apologise again?

Your apology is meaningless and you both know it. You've screwed this one up, OP. There's no coming back. Why on earth would she trust someone who's repeatedly slagged her off behind her back, called her crazy and a gold-digger etc? You were the one who took a gamble on being allowed to see your grandkids, and your gamble failed.

SereneFish · 08/11/2024 15:19

Leave her well alone. If your son ever gets access he can let you see the child. But hopefully this poor woman will be able to keep you both away.

pimplebum · 08/11/2024 15:19

Your son has done a serious crime that he is not allowed unsupervised contact with his kids !!!!and you brush that if as a minor aside !!?? He has been accused of violence so serious why are you not more horrified by his actions and the position HIS crimes and actions have now put you in

it was terrible if you to tell this woman what you thought if her and absolutely outrageous that you did cussed her in text messages !!!
it it totally reasonable that she is cutting you off and stopping contact

I would not want any child of mine to have any relationship with you

you hate and bad mouth the mum ? Why in earth do you think you could see her child ?

Tangobag · 08/11/2024 15:20

Do you honestly think you’re in the right here

ToBeOrNotToBee · 08/11/2024 15:21

You (and the wider family) sounds utterly vile.
No wonder she's keeping the kids away from you. I would too. She's protecting them, and as for your son and his "unfortunate things" that happened and now he's not allowed unsupervised contact, he's an abuser isn't he.

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WillowTree33 · 08/11/2024 15:22

@namechanged8nov you are not going to get anywhere until you recognise that your actions have led to consequences and take responsibility for them. It all sounds like a bit of a mess but repeatedly speaking ill of your DiL behind her back was never exactly going to end well and it doesn’t matter if you said it to her face or behind her back or if it was to only one person or 20. also just because your in-laws were nasty to you and you took it doesn’t mean she has to do the same.

Your DiL is the children’s mother so you will need to make amends with her (assuming she is still open to it at some point after all this!) and while you might not like her still you will need to own your part in this mess and find a way forward

Starlight7080 · 08/11/2024 15:22

Oh how ironic ! You treated her badly . You got your whole family involved
Why would she want to be anywhere near you !
It's no good saying now you should have been nicer . A good person would have been nice fron the start!
And obviously at the start she wasn't good enough for your son. Yet he can't even be left alone with his kids !!
Bloody hell you and your family sound awful.
She should run and hide from you all . Including your son

Livelovebehappy · 08/11/2024 15:23

OP, I’m normally very sympathetic with MILs as they can get a hard time on here, but your post sounds very cold and Unempathetic (in fact, contains narcissistic traits). Your dil looks to have given you many chances, but you keep reverting to form. Not sure if there’s any way back from this. Your dil is right to put boundaries in place, because it sounds like you’re making the same mistakes over and over again.

AliceMcK · 08/11/2024 15:23

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:16

But I have apologised. what else can I do if she doesn't want to see me again? how else am I supposed to apologise again?

You leave it.

Answer your son’s calls, tell him you are genuinely sorry but understand your behaviour has been bad. You won’t put pressure on DIL, when or if she is ever willing to see you again you apologise sincerely admitting your mistakes, if she dosnt accept then she dosnt. You let her decide if she will allow you to see her children and if she dose be very very great full.

muchadoaboutnuffin · 08/11/2024 15:23

OP.
You sound like a racist with very poor manners.
Your in-laws sound like a bunch of gossips.
Your son’s behaviour has dragged social services into his children’s lives.

What I’ll say is that there is no way on God’s earth that your daughter in law is the problem here…….

MaltipooMama · 08/11/2024 15:24

Jesus I'm always really kind with replies that I post but you honestly sound absolutely awful, you've bitched about her for virtually the entirety of her marriage to other family members and seem to be glossing over the fact that your son isn't allowed unsupervised contact with his children, seriously if I were your DIL I would stay far away from you, you've been slagging her off to everyone else how does she know you wouldn't do it to/in front of her children

cakegoblin · 08/11/2024 15:25

Oh my god. This is like Sunset Beach. The lack of self-awareness is almost funny.

Silvers11 · 08/11/2024 15:26

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 15:10

I never told her I didn't like her.

I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her

Really @namechanged8nov? You didn't tell her you didn't like her? Just direct with her about the way you feel about her??

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