Kamala supporters/ democrats: why do you think you've lost?

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From reading Twitter, the rhetoric on the left seems to be that they've lost because Trump voters are stupid, racist, sexist etc etc.

Personally, I think that the conversation needs far more nuance than name calling.

I'm left wing but can't vote for anyone who will allow men into women's safe spaces or will sterilize autistic/ gay children. If this makes me "thick" or "fascist", then so be it, but those names won't change my vote.

The GC thing is not that big in the US. You're thinking in UK terms.
It was mostly about extremely common American fears about immigration. If you ask Trumpers why they support him, immigration is the number one answer you will get.

All of the above happened in the UK under a right wing Govt, who also increased migration from 220k to 764k and who saw cross channel boat migration go from 0 to 85k per year.

And rents going up is down to LLs, passing on costs to the tenant plus a a decent margin too.

Trump never stopped migration when he was last in and he wont deport 14m people either, that would require measures not seen since WW2.

Trump has a hold on people, he can say and do what he likes and 50% of Americans will vote for him regardless, there is very little anyone can do about that.... it wouldn't have mattered if Biden had stood down earlier, might have helped if he'd kept his mouth shut though...

I suspect that if Bojo led the Tory party, there would be a huge number of people who would vote for him too....

How do you counter this is a better question.

I think part of it is extreme inequality.

Racism /fascism ran rampant in between the wars Germany partly at least because life was brutally tough.

The left wing need to get into taxing the wealthy and super rich and making life fairer and nicer for all. If life is better people stop buying into the myth of blaming their neighbours/immigrants.

I think a lot of decisions are being left to competent officials and so everything is running smoothly. I can see a lack of direction though on issues like Ukraine.

I agree with Elon on this. To quote him:

"anyone, whether in America or other countries, who finds this result shocking, they should reconsider where they get their information.

This trend was obvious on 𝕏 for months, but almost all the legacy mainstream media pushed a completely false reality.

They lied to you

It did look like trump would make it for a long time, it was during the past 15 weeks (I think) since KH that there seemed to be some hope. So Musk is talking shit.

Let me rephrase that for the big egomaniacal baby: it seems to me like musk is talking shit. There. can’t sue me.

I knew he’d won the moment I saw the photo from the assassination attempt.

It’s an iconic image of strength, resistance, patriotism and even religious iconography - and more people are influenced by images than words (including Trump himself).

I suspect Musk knows more about activity on X than you do, you know, because he owns X!

He’s gaslighting and I’m just disputing whether the assertion this was unexpected is true. The hope it may be different was in the last 2-3 months, I think everyone was despairing for a long time before. I don’t do x.

"...look at Florida voting again state protections entirely separate from the presidential race."

I'm rather late replying to you, but it wasn't really a case of Florida voting against more of a case that they changed the rules and not enough people voted for.

57.1% voted yes for changing the abortion laws but it still failed. Why?

Florida changed their rules in 2006 to say that any future amendments to the Florida Constitution must pass by a 60% vote rather than just a simple majority (50.1%).

Ironically, this amendment only got 58% so it was the last amendment that passed not to require a 60% vote.

Very few counties in Florida reached the 60% figure. Even the largest, Miami-Dade only got 59%. The areas that did get over 60% were the likes of Palm Beach and Broward, then Orange (which covers Orlando), Hillsborough (which includes Tampa) etc

At the other end, especially up in northern Florida, some of the votes in the rural areas were down in the 30% range.

A similar fate happened with the other proposed amendment to legalise marijuana. That had 56% voting in favour but still didn't pass because of the 60% requirement.

So what should women do?

Kamala Harris is as destructive to women’s rights as Trump, but in a different way.

Unfortunately in a 2 horse race we cannot say “A plague on both your houses!”

The democrats need to stop lashing out (blaming the voters) and really reflect on why Trump is a horror show, and still they couldn’t put together either a candidate or a campaign to beat him.
It’s easy to polish your own halo, and do a a Basket-of-Deplorables on the great unwashed, but (a) “it’s the economy stupid”, and (b) don’t have policies which demonstrate you have abandoned reality and are in thrall to a group who will mutilate your children and try to jail you for protesting.

I agree that the trans issue in itself wasn't what people voted on but it was part of the whole identity politics/cancel culture/antifa/pro-Hamas vibe that voters rebelled against. The Republicans actually ran ads in the latter stages of the contest, saying 'Kamala is for they/them. Trump is for YOU!' so, obviously, they knew that the Orwellian nature of identity politics is something voters really feel.

I came across many SM posts by American mums of young children, sounding very sure this is what they wanted and not just the lesser of two evils sort of thing. Some of the stated reasons

• F off to pronouns, to trans mob, to Palestinian supporters ('w_nkers'), to woke agendas of social equality, to immigrants, to erosion of family values, to erosion of health care services...

They were in tears of having their prayers to God answered.

Beautiful lovely, young women with beautifully dressed children living in beautiful huge houses. They all looked like the American dream.
But bit creepy reading about them being in awe of a rapist and how they see the world in general, of course.

Have you asked yourself why you believe that to be?

Could it be that the Democrats have made it so clear that anyone who disagrees with them is a bigot that people are actually afraid to speak?

It's not a trans issue it is a woman's rights issue and a children's health issue where freedom of speech has effectively been removed by the not very democratic Democrats at the behest of a very vocal group of activists. What are they advocating for? Men's rights.

They lost because the Republican message resonated more.

We will put more money in your pockets and stop immigration, and tbh Trumps tariff plan for Mexico is straightforward and easy to understand.

Joe Biden was an embarrassment.

According to my SIL in Mississippi (who voted for him) it was because the US economy is in the shit (in spite of all the figures produced to the contrary) and all KH was offering was more of the same.

Abortion as an issue takes second place to the need for a living wage and being able to put food on the table.

I vote on the political left and I'm absolutely sick of no one speaking up for women's rights, other than right-wing parties that I share no other values with.

@SpidersAreShitheads Very well said. 👏Where are the political descendants and intellectual inheritors of Ida Bell Wells, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B Anthony in the Democratic Party?

Of Mary Wollstonecraft, Elizabeth Fry and Harriet Taylor Mill in the UK's Liberal Democrats, Labour and the Greens?

Both these things can be true. The turnout was 14 /15/18 million down on 2020 depending who you believe.
Biden did lots more in concrete terms than Obama. Low unemployment, booming stock market, GDP growth etc. But ....inflation. Covid and wars caused that but people don't care about these things...just the price of fuel and food. Therefore Harris had to be a 'change candidate '. That is just not in her. She did everything the party asked of her. Actually destroyed Trump in the debate. Really though she had no forward offer. Occasionally there was a shaft of light in the campaign : help for people buying homes or warnings about Tariffs hurting American workers and consumers. But they seemed like 'add ons' to the two big themes of her campaign.

Namely , abortion rights and Trump will end democracy. The republicans neutralised the first one by saying ' look its up to the individual states '. And the second one by pointing out he didn't become a dictator the first time. And his folksy chat with Rogan. Whereas Kamala Harris is practically a Central Casting machine politician , Trump's super power is people don't think of him as a politician at all. Boris Johnson had some of that pixie dust too.

In years to come Biden may be seen as a flawed but decent president , like Jimmy Carter. Yet the maga cult will never admit they got it wrong even if Trump's trade wars ruin them.
Likewise, although polls say most people think Brexit was a mistake, my Leaver relatives are still ' ah good old Boris '.

You think that because you believe that Biden's got dementia. Not because you've got evidence that this is happening.

'I can see a lack of direction'. Can you? Do tell.

Can I ask the Trump lovers here -

1. Have they read Project 2025, Mandate For Leadership?
2. If they've read it, have they completely discounted it because they believed Trump when he said 'it's nothing to do with me, I don't even know what it's about' 🤔

For those who don't know the details - the Wikipedia entry is a good place to start. Nothing of what's here is disputed by those behind Project 2025. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

Why would you use the phrase 'Trump lovers'?

Because they can't see that anyone would be voting to oppose the Democrats rather than for being pro-Trump.

'None is so blind as he who cannot see.'

What would you prefer?

Those of you who'd choose a felon and a demogogue with a documented history of compulsive lying, racism and misogyny over a box-standard Democracy because you want more tax cuts, millions of undocumented people herded into deportation camps, and to see transgender people be legislated out of existence?

I'd feel the same way about people who voted for any other fascist leader over someone without a history of being a fascist.