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Kamala supporters/ democrats: why do you think you've lost?

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TERFCat · 06/11/2024 09:56

From reading Twitter, the rhetoric on the left seems to be that they've lost because Trump voters are stupid, racist, sexist etc etc.

Personally, I think that the conversation needs far more nuance than name calling.

I'm left wing but can't vote for anyone who will allow men into women's safe spaces or will sterilize autistic/ gay children. If this makes me "thick" or "fascist", then so be it, but those names won't change my vote.

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izimbra · 09/11/2024 22:00

BTW the vast majority of 'gender affirming' surgeries done on minors in the US are breast reductions done on cis-gender boys who have developed some breast tissue. Obviously this surgery isn't medically necessary, it's done mainly for psychological reasons. Do you class this as 'mutilation'?

nolongersurprised · 09/11/2024 22:03

on cis-gender boys

I wouldn’t have voted for Trump but if Republicans can send “cis-gender” to the scrap heap of history, I’d be forever grateful.

izimbra · 09/11/2024 22:34

"I wouldn’t have voted for Trump but if Republicans can send “cis-gender” to the scrap heap of history, I’d be forever grateful"

You mean you want all transgender people to basically disappear and for everyone to assume that people's gender identity is always concomitant with their sex? Even when it's not?

The absolute desperation of GCs to basically erase the concept of gender identity is so interesting.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

nolongersurprised · 09/11/2024 23:40

izimbra · 09/11/2024 22:34

"I wouldn’t have voted for Trump but if Republicans can send “cis-gender” to the scrap heap of history, I’d be forever grateful"

You mean you want all transgender people to basically disappear and for everyone to assume that people's gender identity is always concomitant with their sex? Even when it's not?

The absolute desperation of GCs to basically erase the concept of gender identity is so interesting.

I don’t believe in gender as a concept. “Cis” is unnecessary.

People describing themselves as one of the 72 genders are just describing their personality.

nolongersurprised · 10/11/2024 00:25

https://www.medicinenet.com/what_are_the_72_other_genders/article.htm

I mean :
Amicagender a person who changes their gender depending on which friends they are with 😂😂

It’s not “erasing” anyone, all the trans identified people in the world still exist even through I don’t believe in gender identities.

I just don’t go along with it anymore. I don’t agree with compelled speech, I call boys in girls’ sport by their correct sex, I would never call a woman a uterus-haver or vulva owner and I will never agree with men in female spaces.

Looks like a number of American voters feel the same

How Many Genders Are There? All 72 Genders List

How many genders are there? Besides male and female, here is a list of all 72 other gender identities that a person may belong to. How can I help my child understand gender identity?

https://www.medicinenet.com/what_are_the_72_other_genders/article.htm

ResultsMayVary · 10/11/2024 04:00

I'm really confused about the concept of being erased. A Christian woman I know said that if Christianity was no longer than she would cease to exist because the belief is part of who she is not a separate thing.

I think I kind of understand what she's saying but I don't think me as an Individual.not believing in Christianity erases her. I think we can each have our own beliefs as long as those beliefs don't impact the other - I think that's where the trouble starts.

I don't mind what she believes unless she wants to bring those beliefs into my marriage or a secular school. At that point I need to stand up for my own beliefs.

Interlaken · 10/11/2024 04:14

izimbra · 09/11/2024 22:00

BTW the vast majority of 'gender affirming' surgeries done on minors in the US are breast reductions done on cis-gender boys who have developed some breast tissue. Obviously this surgery isn't medically necessary, it's done mainly for psychological reasons. Do you class this as 'mutilation'?

Double mastectomies on 14 year olds who receive no psychological support? Yes of course that’s mutilation.

Why do the people who carry it out demand freedom from any responsibility afterwards? Because they know themselves that yeeting the teets is ghoulish and mutilating.

And saying that no more erases anyone than me being an atheist erases people of faith. There is no God.

izimbra · 10/11/2024 09:19

"Double mastectomies on 14 year olds who receive no psychological support? Yes of course that’s mutilation.

Why do the people who carry it out demand freedom from any responsibility afterwards? Because they know themselves that yeeting the teets is ghoulish and mutilating."

I'm going to guess you've been bombarded with stories about these exceptionally rare surgeries on the GC social media feeds you access. Do you know anyone in real life who's had gender affirming surgery?

Would you use that sort of language to describe that surgery on any of the young cis-gender men who've had gender affirming mastectomies for gynecomastia or do you save language like 'yeeting the teets' only for talking about surgeries on transgender people where you're absolutely beside yourself with disgust?

Interlaken · 10/11/2024 11:02

Who coined the term Yeet the Teets?

What is the standard of care for teenage gynecomastia? (reassurance, not surgery!)

Do you know anyone in real life who's had gender affirming surgery? on the one hand- yes. On the other hand: I don’t know people who have been horribly impacted by lots of things that I still know are morally reprehensible.

You are in absolute denial about what you are supporting. Even the people who are carrying out these disgusting surgeries know the truth - that’s why they seek legal protection from the consequences and get people like you to virtue signal by yelling bigot in the internet.
You are not an ally or supporter of trans people: you are a user. Using their distress to make yourself feel morally superior. Your actions are utterly despicable.

lljkk · 10/11/2024 11:17

I honestly don't know. Most the stuff PP have said doesn't ring true.
Harris raised huge amounts of money. More than Trump at several points.
She had rallies that were mahoosive, bigger than DT's.
She speaks well in public.
The economy is doing very well.
Prices went up when inflation went bad (everywhere) but inflation came back down, too, and Biden administration put the economy on even keel.

I am coming to conclusion that a majority of Americans want a dictator for president. They want forced pregnancy, even for child victims of sexual assault. They want poor regulation, damaged environment, unsafe roads, food & drinking water. They want goods to cost a lot more & be harder to get hold of. They want USA to produce fewer crops that are high labour. They don't care what happens to Ukraine & weirdly enough, they may have paid Putin the ultimate insult by not caring about Russian efforts to undermine democracies (because Russia not seen as a threat). A majority of Americans don't see international alliances as valuable.

These broad interpretations are the only ones that makes sense to me.

AncientAndModern1 · 10/11/2024 11:26

izimbra · 10/11/2024 09:19

"Double mastectomies on 14 year olds who receive no psychological support? Yes of course that’s mutilation.

Why do the people who carry it out demand freedom from any responsibility afterwards? Because they know themselves that yeeting the teets is ghoulish and mutilating."

I'm going to guess you've been bombarded with stories about these exceptionally rare surgeries on the GC social media feeds you access. Do you know anyone in real life who's had gender affirming surgery?

Would you use that sort of language to describe that surgery on any of the young cis-gender men who've had gender affirming mastectomies for gynecomastia or do you save language like 'yeeting the teets' only for talking about surgeries on transgender people where you're absolutely beside yourself with disgust?

You really don’t know the origin of the disgusting phrase ‘yeet the teets’ do you? Clue: it’s not from GC women or concerned mothers.

lljkk · 10/11/2024 12:14

ps: is there any thread on MN dwelling on how soon will Musk be out of the Trump administration?

My bet leans toward 8-9 months. So by Nov/Dec 2025.

And after that Musk will become one of Trump's most vocal public critics.

Rinse and repeat with the next oligarch that cozies up to Trump.

izimbra · 10/11/2024 13:39

"Clue: it’s not from GC women or concerned mothers."

It's a phrase you despise that you're using to describe surgery?

Why do you use it then?

Abhannmor · 10/11/2024 15:55

izimbra · 10/11/2024 13:39

"Clue: it’s not from GC women or concerned mothers."

It's a phrase you despise that you're using to describe surgery?

Why do you use it then?

It's a jocular phrase to laugh off the mutilation of confused and unhappy young women. Coined by the ghastly money fixated sociopath who carries out this butchery : Sidhbh Gallagher.

EasternStandard · 10/11/2024 16:58

lljkk · 10/11/2024 11:17

I honestly don't know. Most the stuff PP have said doesn't ring true.
Harris raised huge amounts of money. More than Trump at several points.
She had rallies that were mahoosive, bigger than DT's.
She speaks well in public.
The economy is doing very well.
Prices went up when inflation went bad (everywhere) but inflation came back down, too, and Biden administration put the economy on even keel.

I am coming to conclusion that a majority of Americans want a dictator for president. They want forced pregnancy, even for child victims of sexual assault. They want poor regulation, damaged environment, unsafe roads, food & drinking water. They want goods to cost a lot more & be harder to get hold of. They want USA to produce fewer crops that are high labour. They don't care what happens to Ukraine & weirdly enough, they may have paid Putin the ultimate insult by not caring about Russian efforts to undermine democracies (because Russia not seen as a threat). A majority of Americans don't see international alliances as valuable.

These broad interpretations are the only ones that makes sense to me.

You're better off reading more on why people voted as they did, the Democrats lost from so many of their base.

Typically voters they had relied upon. And lost all swing states.

izimbra · 10/11/2024 17:22

"It's a jocular phrase to laugh off the mutilation of confused and unhappy young women. Coined by the ghastly money fixated sociopath who carries out this butchery : Sidhbh Gallagher."

Sorry - which mastectomies are we talking about? The 98% that are done on cis gender male minors? Or the tiny handful that are done on trans boys?

Or both?

Have you met a lot of people who've had surgery as minors for gender dysphoria? Or anyone? How do you know how they feel? Evidence from social research suggests vast majority of trans adults don't regret transitioning.

Interlaken · 10/11/2024 18:03

izimbra · 10/11/2024 17:22

"It's a jocular phrase to laugh off the mutilation of confused and unhappy young women. Coined by the ghastly money fixated sociopath who carries out this butchery : Sidhbh Gallagher."

Sorry - which mastectomies are we talking about? The 98% that are done on cis gender male minors? Or the tiny handful that are done on trans boys?

Or both?

Have you met a lot of people who've had surgery as minors for gender dysphoria? Or anyone? How do you know how they feel? Evidence from social research suggests vast majority of trans adults don't regret transitioning.

Evidence from Social Research does not show the vast majority of trans adults don’t regret transitioning.

Stop conflating gender distressed children with adults who claim a trans identity.
Stop conflating children given puberty blockers and CSH and surgery before the age of consent and adults whose transition do not involve those interventions.
This is why the Tavistock couldn’t publish their evidence- and you know it.

SpidersAreShitheads · 10/11/2024 18:49

I don’t know the numbers re surgery carried out on trans identifying minors.

But I don’t care if the numbers are “tiny”. Even one mastectomy for the purpose of changing gender carried out on a minor is one too many.

It’s unethical and shouldn’t be possible.

Some trans people do detransition - if they’ve had life changing surgery as a minor, they’ve fucked up their body for life before they could truly comprehend what they were doing. I’ve read some truly heartbreaking stories.

As adults we are supposed to be protecting children. Not allowing them to be mutilated with surgery as they think it’s what they want.

Again, doesn’t matter if it’s only a handful. At what point do we decide enough is enough?

The line of tolerance should be at zero - no child should be able to have life-changing surgery to switch gender. Nor should they be able to access puberty blockers, based on what we know now.

One child disfigured is one child too many.

Another2Cats · 10/11/2024 18:58

lljkk · 10/11/2024 11:17

I honestly don't know. Most the stuff PP have said doesn't ring true.
Harris raised huge amounts of money. More than Trump at several points.
She had rallies that were mahoosive, bigger than DT's.
She speaks well in public.
The economy is doing very well.
Prices went up when inflation went bad (everywhere) but inflation came back down, too, and Biden administration put the economy on even keel.

I am coming to conclusion that a majority of Americans want a dictator for president. They want forced pregnancy, even for child victims of sexual assault. They want poor regulation, damaged environment, unsafe roads, food & drinking water. They want goods to cost a lot more & be harder to get hold of. They want USA to produce fewer crops that are high labour. They don't care what happens to Ukraine & weirdly enough, they may have paid Putin the ultimate insult by not caring about Russian efforts to undermine democracies (because Russia not seen as a threat). A majority of Americans don't see international alliances as valuable.

These broad interpretations are the only ones that makes sense to me.

"These broad interpretations are the only ones that makes sense to me."

Here are a couple of alternative interpretations. One from an American columnist who used to write for the Guardian but now writes for the Times, Hadley Freeman (with share token):

https://www.thetimes.com/article/cb5754d5-285e-4061-87ee-3745b841c0a9?shareToken=4cf2ff9e3e7cec92bb0acc3dd4c00c93

I’m a rare Democrat who admits the loss is our fault

Basking in moral rectitude rather than finding solutions to problems has only one outcome

First came shock. Then anger. And after that, WhatsApp groups. God, so many WhatsApp groups. In the days after Donald Trump won the 2016 election, I joined dozens of WhatsApp groups, all with names such as “Resistance” and “Wrong Timeline” — a Back to the Future reference capturing my feeling that something had gone wrong on an existential level. I marched on every anti-Trump march I could find. And most of all, I ranted. None of this made sense! This was end times!

My entire adult life I have voted Democrat, including last week, so I am extremely accustomed to my candidate losing. But when I look back on how I reacted after 2016, I wince. And too many people are making those same mistakes all over again.

It’s true that much of what I feared about a Trump presidency — overturning Roe v Wade, stacking the Supreme Court, binning environmental protections, cruelty to refugee families — came to pass. But dismissing those who supported him as if they were the Evil Empire and I the noble Jedi resistance was, above all else, counterproductive. And it’s happening again: one liberal newspaper claimed last week that “racism and misogyny defeat joy and hope”. This is masturbatory codswallop. Yes, there was racism and misogyny in Trump’s campaign, but “joy and hope” don’t lower people’s grocery bills. Inflation beat “joy and hope”, and you know what? Fair enough.

We are at the end of the vibe era, when the left could chuck around terms such as “democracy”, “empathy”, “progress” and “optimism”, and expect people to vote for them. “That hopey changey stuff”, as the former Alaska governor Sarah Palin once said about Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign — but Obama connected with voters on a practical level, not just a vibe one, unlike Kamala Harris, who in her concession speech wafted on about how Americans should “fill the sky with the light of a brilliant, brilliant, billion stars. The light of optimism, of truth and service.” To which Americans responded: “With these electricity bills? No thanks.”

Too many on the left use the hopey changey stuff to avoid questions about the economy, immigration, taxes — subjects the right may be just as bad at handling, but don’t fear discussing. That tactic is more dead than insisting Harris lost because — as one New York Times journalist put it — America is “a white ethnocracy”.

Truly, the bells have tolled for the left’s belief that minorities are civil rights symbols, as opposed to individuals with bills and biases, like everyone. Minority groups pivoted hard to Trump, and no number of outraged tweets about how your immigrant cleaner voted for tougher immigration laws will change that. Similarly, yes, it’s a bitter irony that a man found liable for sexual assault last year was more popular with voters than a woman. Harris’s big play to women voters was abortion, but many women prioritise other issues more, such as infrastructure and education.

The left needs to ask itself what it wants more: to get high on its own moral rectitude, or to fix things and win elections.

One tendency that knows no political boundaries is claiming your pet cause was the deciding factor in an election. Some claim Harris lost because of President Biden’s support for Israel — clearly the No 1 concern for voters in rural Wisconsin; others that Trump won because he went on Joe Rogan’s podcast (a popular theory among, er, podcasters). I try to resist this. But it is true that Harris was never able to counter the right’s argument that she was a wacky lefty, because she refused to acknowledge that she went pretty wacky a few years ago.

She was not alone in this: after Trump’s 2016 win, I signed up for monthly donations to Planned Parenthood, to support abortion access, and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), to support free speech. Three years later, I cancelled both, when these organisations, like many others, reacted to the Trump era by prioritising gender ideology over women’s rights.

Gender ideology did not decide the election. But when Trump’s campaign aired an advert showing Harris in 2019 reassuring the (sigh) ACLU she would, if elected president, fund sex change surgery for transgender prisoners, accompanied by the unforgettable tagline, “Kamala is for they/them. President Trump is for you”, it shifted the race 2.7 points in Trump’s favour.

According to the most recent polls, the most common reason swing voters gave for rejecting Harris was “she was too focused on cultural issues like transgender issues rather than helping the middle classes”. It turns out that if you mindlessly parrot niche academic theories, the mainstream public will think you’re bananas.

The worst mistake the Democrats could make now would be to retreat into reactionary extremism, defining themselves purely as the opposite to the Republicans. The left insists Trump is a fascist. But if they make the same mistakes as last time, knowing how ineffective they are, we’ll know even they don’t believe that, or they don’t care. Instead, it would mean it’s all just a self-promoting game to them, making them no better than Trump. Just less effective.

I’m a rare Democrat who admits the loss is our fault

Basking in moral rectitude rather than finding solutions to problems has only one outcome

https://www.thetimes.com/article/cb5754d5-285e-4061-87ee-3745b841c0a9?shareToken=4cf2ff9e3e7cec92bb0acc3dd4c00c93

Another2Cats · 10/11/2024 19:04

lljkk · 10/11/2024 11:17

I honestly don't know. Most the stuff PP have said doesn't ring true.
Harris raised huge amounts of money. More than Trump at several points.
She had rallies that were mahoosive, bigger than DT's.
She speaks well in public.
The economy is doing very well.
Prices went up when inflation went bad (everywhere) but inflation came back down, too, and Biden administration put the economy on even keel.

I am coming to conclusion that a majority of Americans want a dictator for president. They want forced pregnancy, even for child victims of sexual assault. They want poor regulation, damaged environment, unsafe roads, food & drinking water. They want goods to cost a lot more & be harder to get hold of. They want USA to produce fewer crops that are high labour. They don't care what happens to Ukraine & weirdly enough, they may have paid Putin the ultimate insult by not caring about Russian efforts to undermine democracies (because Russia not seen as a threat). A majority of Americans don't see international alliances as valuable.

These broad interpretations are the only ones that makes sense to me.

"These broad interpretations are the only ones that makes sense to me."

The second article is by a right of centre commentator, Christopher Caldwell who had thoughts on how the Democrats have changed:

https://www.thetimes.com/article/5203db48-62fb-4ad1-bf48-4a900c6a9b2e?shareToken=7ab18e25b13818861c5512490f025b7e

The Democrat fantasy is dead. They’re no longer the workers’ party

Kamala Harris’s comprehensive defeat shows the fatal flaw in a political party whose humble origins have given way to social elites and racial grievances

In the days since the US elections, as exit polls and electoral maps have delivered a more detailed account of why Kamala Harris lost so badly, a terrified calm has descended on Democratic Party strategists in Washington. What looked for most of 2024 like a down-to-the-wire race — in which the tide could be turned by a well-crafted speech here or a little more targeted advertising there — now looks more like a rout across the board.

President Biden, Harris and the Democrats held the White House for four years, spending more money on government programmes than any administration in American history and flooding the news media with invective against Trump. They even prosecuted him in a New York criminal court. And yet election day revealed that, over that time, Americans of virtually every ethnicity, every generation and every region came to like Democrats less and Trump more.

Biden and Harris certainly stumbled and bumbled. But what became starkly apparent on Tuesday night is that the Democratic Party has lost its electoral formula, its ideological coherence and its claim to rule. Over the past three decades, a gap has opened in what the Democratic Party is and what Democrats think it is.

What the Democratic Party is, is the party of the overwhelming majority of elites in the four interlinked industries — entertainment, technology, finance, and university education — to which the United States owes its global economic pre-eminence. The Democratic Party’s America is what the whole rest of the world thinks about when it thinks about America — the prowess, the novelty, the glamour.

The Democrats are the party of the Manhattan skyline and Wall Street, of Santa Monica and Hollywood, of Harvard and Yale, of Miami Beach and the Chicago Loop. Trump supporters exist in such circles — consider Elon Musk, who owns X, or Peter Thiel, who co-founded PayPal — but they are an exception. This is why the Harris campaign committee’s fundraising outstripped Trump’s by nearly a factor of almost three, hauling in more than $1 billion.

The Democratic Party is also the inheritor of the great civil rights crusade, which culminated in the end of racial segregation in the 1960s and has since become the model for progressive causes in all walks of American life. Some of these causes are popular, like feminism. Some are unpopular, like transgender rights.

Barack Obama, a politician of unusually high calibre, was able to meld elite preoccupations and race-and-gender issues to produce winning campaigns in 2008 and 2012. But in the process he seems to have created a monster. When you marry social elites on one hand and racial grievances on the other, you get the authoritarian politics of wokeness, with its workplace mandates and its speech rules. As they showed on Tuesday, many Americans have grown heartily sick of the Obama agenda. And this presents Democrats with a problem of electoral strategy.

Until this election, they solved this problem with myth-making. Democrats told themselves they were still the party of the mid-20th century industrial working class, the class that built the New Deal and defeated the Nazis. Two decades ago, a sizeable tranche of senior citizens carried the memory of that party, and they swelled Obama’s majorities. Biden continued this tradition, giving speeches suffused with this world of union dues and shop floor foremen. “I’ve walked the picket lines,” he told the graduates of Morehouse College, a traditionally black, all-male liberal arts institution in Atlanta, last spring. But there is something pathetic about Biden’s vision of the party: to have picket lines you need unions, and to have unions you need the industry that Biden’s Democrats collaborated in eagerly shipping overseas.

There was something canny about Biden’s vision too, though. Democrats have been criticised for not ousting the doddering Biden earlier in this presidential cycle, when it might still have been possible to choose a winning candidate. The problem is, his doddering had an upside. The party of Biden’s nostalgic 20th century imagination was more attractive to voters than the woke and plutocratic Democratic Party of the 21st. In 2020, it was white people, drifting back into the Democratic fold on their memories of the Truman and Kennedy administrations, who tipped the election for Democrats. You could do worse than Biden. Hillary Clinton did in 2016.

But Biden’s victory in 2020 does not make him a successful, or even a competent, president. He has been credited by partisan journalists and sympathetic biographers with having run, in his unassuming way, the most capable Democratic administration since Lyndon Johnson. Something more like the opposite is true, and historians will be merciless in correcting the error.

Biden’s 2020 primary campaign stank. He struggled in the early contests, but got the nomination when the party’s powerful donors decided he would be strongest against Trump. The donors froze other candidates out of the primaries with the same kind of campaign-funding strike that they used this summer to force Biden out of the race in favour of Harris.

The party’s various lobbies then rallied behind Biden’s anti-Trump popular front. The Biden White House was run by an interest-group junta: there were diversity, equity and inclusion decrees for Black Lives Matter, open borders for immigrants’ rights groups, a muscular policy of “defending democracy” (in Ukraine and elsewhere) for neoconservatives, and lavish subsidies for Democrat-friendly green-energy firms. The Biden administration overextended and overspent. It passed a wholly unnecessary $1.9 trillion stimulus bill that amplified high inflation at a time of stagnant wages, just as many economists had warned it would.

Biden was slow to react. Inflation took two years to tame. Security was eventually tightened at the border, but not until at least seven million illegal immigrants had crossed it, and by then the election was only months away. Spending on the Ukraine war is approaching a quarter of a trillion dollars, with no end in sight. In office, the real Democratic Party of Washington powerbrokers elbowed aside the misty-eyed campaign trail Democratic Party of “lunch bucket” Joe. President Biden lacked the vigour and the cognitive wherewithal to resist. This is what will make the history of the Biden administration so fascinating. Its hyperactivity was due not to the president’s energy but to his lack of it.

Harris can hardly be blamed for what followed. When the secret of Biden’s incapacity was revealed to the voting public in a catastrophic June debate with Trump, she was almost certainly the best Plan B. Democrats had once hoped she might be the natural inheritor of Obama’s mantle — a civil rights activist who was at home with billionaires. Her husband was a Silicon Valley lawyer and her brother-in-law a top executive at Uber. But, as noted, in the past decade, civil rights and tech entrepreneurship have merged into a corporate diversity, equity and inclusion regime, making them a less attractive combination than they were in Obama’s day.

Harris was conspicuously lacking in oratorical flair. She did not appear at a regular press conference for almost two months after the nomination was conferred on her. In the final days of the campaign, voters saw why. Many Democrats have criticised Harris for not going on The Joe Rogan Experience, an unscripted three-hour-long podcast on which Trump and his running mate JD Vance appeared to great effect. The reason Harris didn’t appear on Joe Rogan was that she couldn’t. She had certain gifts as a speaker — an on-stage warmth, a relatable style — but they would be unlikely to show to her advantage in three hours of disputation and wisecracking.

The world has changed and the Democrats today now have little resemblance to the working class party they are descended from. They are in some ways its antithesis, bearing a resemblance to the Republican Party of 150 years ago.

The Republican Party was originally founded in the mid-19th century to abolish slavery, and fought a civil war to do so. But once they had triumphed in that war, Republicans found themselves entitled to speak on the whole nation’s behalf, and were soon corrupted by absolute power. So they enriched themselves as a party of railway tycoons and financiers in a period that came to be known (disparagingly) as the Gilded Age, and as a result spent most of the 20th century out of power.

The Democrats’ road from civil rights crusaders to tech and Wall Street plutocrats resembles the Republicans’ road from abolitionism to the railroad barons. There are a lot of ways that the Democrats can reinvent themselves — they have a lot of good options and a lot of canny strategists. But their 21st century coalition of wealth and woke has been renounced by the American electorate. Clinging to it will cost Democrats a long time in the wilderness.

The Democrat fantasy is dead. They’re no longer the workers’ party

Kamala Harris’s comprehensive defeat shows the fatal flaw in a political party whose humble origins have given way to social elites and racial grievances

https://www.thetimes.com/article/5203db48-62fb-4ad1-bf48-4a900c6a9b2e?shareToken=7ab18e25b13818861c5512490f025b7e

izimbra · 10/11/2024 21:00

@Another2Cats

"in a political party whose humble origins have given way to social elites and racial grievances"

The country has just voted in real estate mogul who inherited his fortune, backed by a group of tech oligarchs.

Don't talk to me about 'social elites'. What BS.

Interlaken · 10/11/2024 22:09

izimbra · 10/11/2024 21:00

@Another2Cats

"in a political party whose humble origins have given way to social elites and racial grievances"

The country has just voted in real estate mogul who inherited his fortune, backed by a group of tech oligarchs.

Don't talk to me about 'social elites'. What BS.

Why do you think they lost? And what should the Democrats do to win back voters: the only concrete suggestion so far is telling people “Don’t Vote for Trump”.

Do you think it is better for the Democrats to stay ideologically pure and plough ahead with their Trans rights rhetoric. Or should the ditch the catastrophically bad vote loser?

AncientAndModern1 · 10/11/2024 22:20

izimbra · 10/11/2024 13:39

"Clue: it’s not from GC women or concerned mothers."

It's a phrase you despise that you're using to describe surgery?

Why do you use it then?

I don’t use it you fool. It’s a grotesque butcher surgeon on your side that does. She mutilates children and thinks it is funny. The fact that you don’t know this proves you are far less knowledgeable about what is happening than you think you are. And mastectomy is not an approved treatment for hormonal breast growth in male teenagers. The protocol everywhere is to wait for the issue to resolve, which it usually does. https://katv.com/amp/news/nation-world/miami-surgeon-performs-top-surgery-for-15-year-old-transgender-kids-report-says

Miami surgeon performs 'top surgery' for 15-year-old transgender kids, report says

https://katv.com/amp/news/nation-world/miami-surgeon-performs-top-surgery-for-15-year-old-transgender-kids-report-says

lifeturnsonadime · 10/11/2024 22:39

Or maybe it was this letter from Harris congratulating a male for 100 days of 'womanhood'

https://x.com/charliespiering/status/1638171647843749888?lang=en

If I were a woman in the USA working really hard I'd be a bit pissed off that all it takes to get presidential attention as a 'woman' is being a male.

x.com

https://x.com/charliespiering/status/1638171647843749888?lang=en