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US elections, what if Trump wins

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Sadcafe · 05/11/2024 09:33

Is anyone worried what might happen if Trump wins?

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AnotherHotDrink · 05/11/2024 14:27

ShinyShona · 05/11/2024 14:12

I think you need to understand the scale of what you are suggesting. The USA is vastly bigger than the UK. Let's say you lived in deep red Republican Arkansas. There are two things you really need to understand.

The first is that Arkansas is 53,179 square miles big. That relatively small state alone is bigger than England. To move to a blue state from Arkansas, the closest is either Colorado, New Mexico or Illinois depending on where in the state you live. At the very least, moving to a blue state is akin to moving to France in terms of distance. So moving is a big undertaking and would make it very difficult to pop around to family. Also, outside the cities, this vast country is not very well connected so it could take an incredibly long time to visit relatives if you live in rural Illinois and they live in rural Arkansas for example.

Also, another aspect of vastness is that each state has counties and a red state might still have deep blue counties. For example, Pulaski and Jefferson counties in Arkansas are solidly blue and are vastly more populated than most other counties in the state.

One final point is that red voters tend to be much more spread out. Cities tend to be blue and rural areas red. So you don't really have to deal with the Trump yokels too much in the cities unless he turns up for a rally and they flock to see him.

Well it's about choices again. What means more to you, family living nearby v Abortion, child sterilisation, creeps in with women, assistance suicide, making it easy for immigrants to walk in without a visa?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/11/2024 14:29

General Milley said that Trump was 'fascist to the core'

Oh god not another one - he's entitled to his opinion of course, but sounds as if he's jumping on John Kelly's bandwagon (or maybe it's the other way round)

And since both men are staunch supporters of a church which has done more than most to support fascists, I hope I'll be forgiven for ignoring their particular maunderings on this subject

thepariscrimefiles · 05/11/2024 14:31

dottiehens · 05/11/2024 13:09

In your view nothing will ever be worse. For me it was blown out of proportion and weaponised for every single debate against the unacceptable behaviour of the Democrats. If you ask me deranged people attacking and assaulting others and delaying planes just because someone has a different political view. it is pretty bad. Specially coming from the high moral ground side. All of this is the fault of their leaders and the campaign purely based on bashing Trump and his followers.

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Are you talking about two women fighting on a plane being as bad as an angry mob, incited by Trump, storming the Capitol, injuring hundreds of police officers, defecating on the floor and bringing a gallows to hang Vice President Mike Pence because he refused to not certify the election results?

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SnakesAndArrows · 05/11/2024 14:34

AnotherHotDrink · 05/11/2024 13:38

They are worse, thus there is nowhere to move to.

Shame we’re out of the EU then, really.

thepariscrimefiles · 05/11/2024 14:35

1dayatatime · 05/11/2024 13:29

To me it seems to be a choice between:
Trump who most perceive to be an unpleasant character but who is viewed as more likely to improve the economy and individual's personal finances or
Harris who most perceive to be a more pleasant character but who is viewed as less likely to improve the economy and individual's personal finances.

23 Nobel Prize winning economists have endorsed Kamala Harris.

Loudjay · 05/11/2024 14:37

He appointed the 3 right-wing justices who lied during conformation before Senate and swore they would never reverse these hard-won rights

thepariscrimefiles · 05/11/2024 14:38

orangegato · 05/11/2024 13:31

Team Trump. He doesn’t believe in children being butchered to change their gender. That’s all I needed to know.

He believes that children are going to school, having gender re-assignment surgery during their lunch hour and then going home a different gender without their parents' permission.

He is a lying lunatic as well as an adjudicated sex offender.

SnakesAndArrows · 05/11/2024 14:41

CranfordScones · 05/11/2024 13:44

Won't stop the simpletons who stand in the crowd and hold up placards to abolish the monarchy whenever the King is at a big event. Even if Trump loses, it should be a lesson for those who want to destroy anything that works in the name of some nebulous concept of 'fairness'.

My money's on a Trump victory, btw.

I guess your definition of “works”, with your “rich man in his castle and poor man at his gate” philosophy, differs from mine. For example, vaccines and good obstetric care both “work” in my view, but both are significantly under threat from a second Trump presidency.

oakleaffy · 05/11/2024 14:50

Welp, You gotta deport the migrants getting brand new SUV’s and free housing and medical care while simultaneously chowing down on dogs and 🐈 cats.

Build the wall!
( Sarcasm )

thepariscrimefiles · 05/11/2024 14:52

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/11/2024 14:29

General Milley said that Trump was 'fascist to the core'

Oh god not another one - he's entitled to his opinion of course, but sounds as if he's jumping on John Kelly's bandwagon (or maybe it's the other way round)

And since both men are staunch supporters of a church which has done more than most to support fascists, I hope I'll be forgiven for ignoring their particular maunderings on this subject

8 military leaders have come out against Trump, but I suppose all of them were just 'jumping on the bandwagon', rather than Trump really being a threat to democracy.

Autumnchilltime · 05/11/2024 14:55

Bideshi · 05/11/2024 12:57

And then there's Vance a heartbeat away from the presidency.
And, as somebody said upthread, Bannon's back as Master of the Revels.
My American family flew out last night - just didn't want to be in the country. They are convinced it'll be Trump. They are sad and worried, even though, as owners of a prosperous business they are much better off fiscally under Trump. They don't rate Kamala, but voted Democrat because they have standards.
Anybody see Trump's rant about shooting Liz Cheney in the face? How could anybody vote for that?

Is that what he said? Really? Because the links I've seen that's not actually what he said,and the lounge was making was people who aren't going to the front line maybe shouldn't be so keen to send others.

ShinyShona · 05/11/2024 14:58

AnotherHotDrink · 05/11/2024 14:27

Well it's about choices again. What means more to you, family living nearby v Abortion, child sterilisation, creeps in with women, assistance suicide, making it easy for immigrants to walk in without a visa?

I think you missed democracy and leaders who tell the truth and don't assault women from your list.

GivememyowlbackSandra · 05/11/2024 14:58

The last time he was president he spent more time on the golf course than anything else. He would pipe up with some incoherent idea, throw stupid ideas about the place and then disappear off with his cronies. My teenager last night remarked that he looked awful (his gait when walking seems very off now and the fake tan isn't hiding how tired he looks) and doesn't think he will live out the presidency, if he wins.

HRTQueen · 05/11/2024 15:00

If he wins its bad news for Ukraine and NATO, as for the ME I think being the president to finally destroy the powerful Iranian government may just be too tempting for him but this would cost America dearly with lives and money

Unbelievable we are seeing Washington boarded up and barricaded what has the US become

Autumnchilltime · 05/11/2024 15:00

violetchachki · 05/11/2024 13:22

You've seen Democrats launch a violent insurrection?

Have you even watched any footage of the attack on the Capitol?

Portland got pretty lawless,and for longer.

Gifgaf · 05/11/2024 15:01

God willing he does win 👌🏻 .. God forbid having Kamala leading anything

Freysimo · 05/11/2024 15:04

SnakesAndArrows · 05/11/2024 13:38

You could move to Scotland or Wales.

Wales is governed by Welsh Labour!

AnotherHotDrink · 05/11/2024 15:06

Freysimo · 05/11/2024 15:04

Wales is governed by Welsh Labour!

Is the max speed limit still 20mph there?

dottiehens · 05/11/2024 15:06

thepariscrimefiles · 05/11/2024 14:31

Are you talking about two women fighting on a plane being as bad as an angry mob, incited by Trump, storming the Capitol, injuring hundreds of police officers, defecating on the floor and bringing a gallows to hang Vice President Mike Pence because he refused to not certify the election results?

No. I was not comparing that. Someone came up with Capitol not me? Read the thread. As I said already.

dottiehens · 05/11/2024 15:08

GivememyowlbackSandra · 05/11/2024 14:58

The last time he was president he spent more time on the golf course than anything else. He would pipe up with some incoherent idea, throw stupid ideas about the place and then disappear off with his cronies. My teenager last night remarked that he looked awful (his gait when walking seems very off now and the fake tan isn't hiding how tired he looks) and doesn't think he will live out the presidency, if he wins.

I bet you thought Biden was ok 4 years ago when everyone said he wasn’t.

Yerushalmi · 05/11/2024 15:10

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MissAnthr0pe · 05/11/2024 15:43

Autumnchilltime · 05/11/2024 15:00

Portland got pretty lawless,and for longer.

What does the Portland riots have to do with the Democratic party?

RamblingEclectic · 05/11/2024 15:48

I am no more concerned about Trump winning than I am about Harris winning. Stein also makes me a bit concerned and I'm not sure on Oliver.

I am far more concerned about the reactions of the American public to either Harris or Trump winning than I am about what either will do as president. Every election since 2000 has had some questioning, each one worse than the last, and we've gotten to the point of division and distrust enough that I'm concerned about how it will escalate this time.

I think it unlikely for Trump or the Republicans to push for an abortion ban nation wide - the Republican base has far too many Constitutionalists who oppose the federal government doing pretty much anything that isn't explicitly listed in the constitution. Their ideal is all the states making choices for their people and people being able to move to the state that fits them best (not a realistic ideal for many reasons, but it is the point of the 'American experiment' as many of them call it), not to make all US states the same. For them, 'returning it to the states' was their big victory.

If the blue wave comes, I am concerned that there will another push against Americans and some US Visa holders who live outside of the US, that the increase in extraterritorial laws that threaten non-US financial institutions to toe ever changing US lines that has already resulted in people having bank accounts frozen and closed, mortgages called in resulting in loss of homes or mortgages refused based on the US connection, jobs lost because we can't have our name on a business account without US law imposed on us, loss of pensions due to the laws on us holding investments. We're now over a year since the US government - having been taken to court over the issue - said they would reduce the renunciation fees back as there was no legal reason for them to hike them as they have, no clue when/if that will happen and while I have no faith of Republicans doing anything on this, it's been when Democrats hold the executive and legislature that these have been brought in and expanded that I fear what further consequences it will have. I think the Greens or Libertarians would be too overwhelmed if they won for this to be a priority, but I wouldn't expect them to support this with their previous actions.

But Harris says she will seek to codify the right to abortion if she wins.

I remember this being promised under Clinton as well. It would be nice if it's true this time, but they have been doing the song and dance about how they need to be voted in so they can protect rights from the big bad Republicans for decades, but they rarely do anything other than inflate their own power.

PandoraSox · 05/11/2024 15:49

AnotherHotDrink · 05/11/2024 15:06

Is the max speed limit still 20mph there?

No. It never has been. Only in certain residential and built up areas. There is a similar scheme in London and other places in the UK.

Abhannmor · 05/11/2024 15:50

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Really? He inherited a good economy from Obama. He had one crisis - Covid - which he royally fucked up.
He brought in tariffs which hurt American farmers.
He passed tax cuts for the rich.
He abolished Roe v Wade.