US elections, what if Trump wins

[Sadcafe]

Is anyone worried what might happen if Trump wins?

OP, yes I am worried at the prospect of another Trump presidency. I think he did do harm as president, especially on a societal level.

Those saying “oh everything was fine last time, the world didn’t burn” are frankly foolish not to recognise that the world is very different now than it was then, and that who the POTUS is will be very important for how things play out.

Quite! I guess Biden with the garbage comments did not encourage this at all.

If he loses, he’ll claim once again that it was ‘stolen’ and there’ll be riots. 🙁

Must say I’m glad we don’t have electronic voting - people can hack anything, I just wouldn’t trust it. I hope we stick to the good old pencil and paper.

But who is in charged or in government? Since when the world is worse and different and why? I do think people realise.

If I lived in America, I would pick have to pick between them, if you live in a blue state you can abort away legally.

Blue state if you want abortion, child sterilisation, assistance suicide, no boundaries between men and women along with lots of immigration to make up for the falling population numbers.

Red state, no or limited abortion.

I can understand why the people in red states have memes with Democrats running away from the mess they made in a blue state and pushing to repeat that same mess in a red state. If they love their utopia why don't they stay there?

@Ujustcantandwont But the world is definitely a different (and worse) place since his last presidency and my personal opinion that he stokes an atmosphere of hate and division which will absolutely not help matters

But so are the democrats. This positioning of Trump, and by extension his supporters, as Nazis by the Democratic party has been truly shocking. This is childish rhetoric. The man is a complete arse, but he is not a Nazi. No wonder lines get so divided politically in America. It I was a light, wavering Trump supporter, being told I was a Nazi would turn me into a much more stringent Trump supporter. Insulting people with hyperbole tends to have that effect.

Things need to calm down in America so that people can start to understand each other, and humanise each other. If half of American votes are voting Trump, there are clearly reasons why. They are clearly not all thick or nasty. They will have legitimate reasons for their vote, just like Harris voters do.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/03/politics/former-colorado-county-clerk-tina-peters-sentenced/index.html?origin=serp_auto

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/machete-wielding-teen-arrested-group-accused-intimidating-democrat-sup-rcna177981?origin=serp_auto

https://apnews.com/article/2024-election-worker-assaulted-texas-voting-8b601acad1bb0d3cdb780d8e6dc2cb69?origin=serp_auto

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-trump-supporter-arrested-punching-70-year-old-woman-harris-rally-1979629?origin=serp_auto

That's 1 minute on Google and just for this week.

If we are talking about encouraging violent behaviour, I refer you to 6th January 2021. That was just a teeny, tiny bit more serious than a punch-up over a MAGA baseball cap.

Remind me again who encouraged those events?

There may be shootings again in schools, more attacks on Christians and Antifa burning areas again, if Harris doesn't win.

There will be trouble whoever wins.

Biden finished what Trump started. I'm not saying Biden is a dove - he's currently funding a genocide.

It’s frustrating that Obama and Biden didn’t do it. But Harris says she will seek to codify the right to abortion if she wins. So there is an obviously better candidate on this issue right now, which is all that matters, right now.

I'm more concerned about the reaction when he loses. His supporters will absolutely not take it lying down.

Then he'll serve his second term and we will all get peace from him

If the system allows a politician to game the judiciary then I don't think you can blame the Politician for gaming the judiciary, no. That is exactly what the system expects them to do. Any President would game it.

The system is the problem.

I'm not a Trump supporter but I believe that he has said he will not remove state abortion rights.

Not that any candidate is particularly trustworthy in their pre-election promises.

I hope that if Harris win's they will make it a priority but I think this will depend on the size of the majority, whether the Republicans can block. But this from the article I posted earlier is an option that Biden failed to act on after Roe v Wade was overturned in 2022:

But that doesn’t mean there is nothing Democrats can do. Joe Biden, for example, could make securing abortion rights for as many women as possible his number-one priority; he could rescind federal amendments that limit abortion access; he could give permission for clinics to open on federal lands; he could go to the mat for medication abortion availability; he could be clear that he will expand the court and end the filibuster.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/28/why-were-democrats-caught-flat-footed-by-the-end-of-roe-v-wade

I hope that for every woman this is resolved because reproductive rights ARE essential.

And then there's Vance a heartbeat away from the presidency.
And, as somebody said upthread, Bannon's back as Master of the Revels.
My American family flew out last night - just didn't want to be in the country. They are convinced it'll be Trump. They are sad and worried, even though, as owners of a prosperous business they are much better off fiscally under Trump. They don't rate Kamala, but voted Democrat because they have standards.
Anybody see Trump's rant about shooting Liz Cheney in the face? How could anybody vote for that?

Hopefully she can. It will depend on the size of the majority.

So why are you blaming Trump?? What are you even blaming Trump for?

There are 4 massive difference:
1/. Covid knocked out almost 3 years of his presidency. The world stopped and everyone focused on their own country and on one thing - there are no such distractions now

2/. Most of Europe was not being run by right and far right government - they are now so he has substantial overt & covert support for his views

3/. As previous posters have said there were grown ups in the room. He’s already published the plan (project 25) as to how he won’t be restrained by them again

4/. the Supreme Court was slightly tilted towards democrats in make up. It’s now absolutely bought and paid for by Trump and so there is no legal check or balance anymore to the point they have already ruled that it is no almost impossible for him to be held accountable for any action while he is president. They granted almost total immunity.

I really do think that the world will change forever and in a terrifying way if he’s elected

I can't make it any clearer than I have.

Oh yawn! 🥱 but that is the point. The virtuous high moral democrats are never like that. I think you find they have become much worse.

All of this, and I really fear for NATO, which we wholeheartedly rely on for our security now.

I think what a lot of people aren’t taking into consideration is that there is also a reasonable chance that Trump will die during the next 4 years, and then Vance will be president. Trump is a stupid, narcissistic, lying, grifter. Vance is clever and utterly terrifying (esp on project 25.)

I completely agree with you. Both sides have got nasty. It's extremely polarised, and like I said in my original response on this post, there is the likelihood of riots from both sides. If Trump gets in, I think these days a January 6th situation could come from either side. Both sides have whipped a frenzy and both will be responsible if there are riots as far as I'm concerned.

I don't know how they go about 'calming down, or humanising each other', is it possible to step back from where they are?

I don't think the Republicans stance on immigrants will help with any calming down or humanising each other.

Can you give examples of Democrats behaving in ways worse than storming the Capitol?