US elections, what if Trump wins

[Sadcafe]

Is anyone worried what might happen if Trump wins?

I hope that Harris wins.

I think it will be messy whoever wins.

I think that the Democrats needs to look at the reasons why this is close run whether they win or lose.

Because he's going to prison for his crimes if he doesn't become president and pardon himself!

Because Trump filled the Supreme Court with Republic judges to make sure this happened when it got to court

Drama? How funny

First in person vote had been cast, in a tiny town, I had just heard it reported on Times radio so obviously big enough deal to have a reporter there

JC people are jumpy

I am concerned for women rights in America if he wins,

His vice president has made comments about punishing women if they travel to another state to get an abortion.

Its a real concern.

Trump was instrumental in the ruling which is a fact. I did not say it was unconstitutional.

That was in Dixville Notch in New Hampshire. They traditionally vote just after midnight. There are 6 registered voters and they returned:

Trump 3
Harris 3

However, according to voter registration records 4 are registered as Republican voters and 2 as Independents, so you could argue that it's a win for Harris.

It is interesting to me that they don't extend this idea to let individual states have the vote on banning guns. I know there's the second amendment, not all states have that in their written state constitution though so presumably are ones potentially more likely to ban them.

posted this on the other thread, posting it here too:

think there are a lot of shy Republicans, like my American relative who is staying with me at the moment. She hates both but is voting Trump as believes he's the least horrendous. Is sick of what she describes as the dystopian authoritarian system
under Biden and thinks the economy and country was more stable under Trump.
Insane to think she prefers that idiot to the Democrats answer, but many others feel the same but wouldn't dare admit it out loud

This as well.

I have friends living in a state where abortion was banned and it affected them directly, it was awful.

My biggest worries are that it will mean the end of Ukraine, the end of Nato and the end of any hope to save the climate.
I always wanted to go on holiday to America one day but post Trump I wouldn’t even feel safe to visit and tbh it isn’t a place I want to see anymore. The ugliness of his supporters has completely put me off. I think it will take decades to undo the damage if ever.

How can people think that anyone can be more horrendous than Trump. He’s awful

'@MrsBennetsPoorNerves Of course. It's terrifying. But I'm also really worried about what he and his supporters might do if he loses.'

I agree.

It is looking so close at the moment that if Harris only wins by a tiny margin, he and his supporters will say that the election was rigged. I am concerned about unrest from his cult-like supporters and endless legal challenges...

He was able to do this because Obama failed to codify abortion laws despite election promises.

https://www.reuters.com/article/markets/us/obama-says-abortion-rights-law-not-a-top-priority-idUSN29466420/

Biden then also failed to make constitutional changes to prevent Trump from stacking the Supreme Court.

The overturn of Roe v Wade was foreseeable.

It is only now that it has been overturned that the Democrats want to prioritise reproductive rights.

It gives them the gloss of being the pro-women candidates when, in reality, they are having to put a sticking plaster on the fact they have failed women in the past. It also makes abortion the 'important' topic detracting from their anti woman pro- identity politics.

So whilst Trump is bad for women people do need to fact check when they state uncritically that the democrats are good for women.

The fact is neither side is great on women's rights.

I fully agree that there are plenty of people who will vote this way for this reason, but there are also some on the flip side. There are a (hopefully not insignificant) number of women in deep red parts of deep red States who are considering voting Democrat for the first time, because they are scared about the loss of rights. They aren't represented in the polls because they cannot say they are going against their husbands, and cannot talk about it even to friends and family, let alone publicly, for fear of reprisals - won't get served in stores, their kids being bullied in school, might even affect employment etc. Finger's crossed they follow through and more than offset each other.

Oh look they are not deranged at all or even against democracy. They are so tolerant, peaceful and respectful.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/british-airways-flight-donald-trump-maga-hat-london-heathrow-fight-b1190926.html

It's not, it was in response to PPs saying 'he's been president before, it wasn't the end of the world' etc. And stating the world is a different place now to where it was between 2016 and 2020 for many reasons.

The post Covid years have definitely seen everything become more divisive on some of the areas which are key battlegrounds in this election.

Throw in Ukraine/Russia, Israel/Iran, China/Taiwan.

I am aware that none of those things are due to Trump and I for one don't know if he would make some of those matters better or worse. I know that the existing administration has definitely failed to improve them. And for that reason I don't like either candidates either.

But the world is definitely a different (and worse) place since his last presidency and my personal opinion that he stokes an atmosphere of hate and division which will absolutely not help matters.

Why do you think this American expat took the plunge, paid the money, and got British citizenship? I’m very worried about what will happen if Trump wins. I’m especially concerned for the future of my niece who is in the States with the ensuing loss of her reproductive rights.

The judges don't usually retire - they die in office and are replaced at that stage. They can also be removed by impeachment.
It is true for sure that Obama did not push through legislation to stop this effect of overturning Roe v Wade, and that is a shame today.
A republican president + republican house/senate will potentially enshrine in law that it is illegal to have abortions at any stage across the whole US, rather than state by state as it is today.
I am not in favour of abortions generally but can see this is a huge problem for women, and to hear women endorsing Trump is shocking.
My belief is he needs to win to pardon himself, but I am not sure how the sentencing on the 26th November will go if he wins.

No one is suggesting it was unconstitutional. The point being made is that it was Trump’s decision as president which resulted in the outcome, and one has to look beyond the 4 years of a presidency to consider its impact. This is particularly relevant this time as over the next 4 years there will be two more Supreme Court appointments to be made - both replacing Democrat appointments.

But on the subject of games, have you forgotten how those appointments were made? The first should have been made by Obama but the Republicans blocked him for making an appointment saying it should not be done in the last year of a presidency. A qualm they suddenly didn’t have when Trump was in a position to make a second SC appointment in the last year of his presidency.

Yes the system is flawed, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t or can’t criticise the actions of Trump.

It was the Biden administration that withdrew the troops. Why didn't Biden do something about it?

That is one incident. There are idiots of every political stripe.

No of course it wasn’t.

Abortion is not illegal in the USA.

Except when it is. That's a moot point for the women in the affected states.

https://edition.cnn.com/us/abortion-access-restrictions-bans-us-dg/index.html

Exactly this. He won't take it lying down.