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Do you think being thin will become less desirable now it’s more attainable?

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thehighgatevampire · 03/11/2024 07:31

I was just thinking about this, being thin has always been seen as something desirable but not something that everyone could manage for whatever reason but now with weight loss injections it’s something that’s open to many more people.

Things with an element of rarity are always attractive to us but a part of that has now gone wrt to being thin.

just for context I’m what the internet would call mid size and I’d love to be eligible for the injections but I’m not. I could almost definitely lose weight the traditional way but now I know there is an ‘easy’ alternative out there I some how feel cheated in some way because I need to work at it whilst others can get an injection to do it. I know that sounds pathetic but just being honest.

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Smallsalt · 03/11/2024 09:53

thehighgatevampire · 03/11/2024 07:31

I was just thinking about this, being thin has always been seen as something desirable but not something that everyone could manage for whatever reason but now with weight loss injections it’s something that’s open to many more people.

Things with an element of rarity are always attractive to us but a part of that has now gone wrt to being thin.

just for context I’m what the internet would call mid size and I’d love to be eligible for the injections but I’m not. I could almost definitely lose weight the traditional way but now I know there is an ‘easy’ alternative out there I some how feel cheated in some way because I need to work at it whilst others can get an injection to do it. I know that sounds pathetic but just being honest.

You have to " work at it" on injections as well. You have to eat dramatically less and change your diet. They don't just magic fat away whilst you eat chocolate.

dcbgr · 03/11/2024 09:53

According to reports, some people find MJ makes them feel ill, sick, anhedonia etc. According to reports, many people find MJ doesn't make them feel any different - no or minimal side effects and no psychological change (only chuffed to be losing weight).
According to reports, some people find MJ makes them feel calmer, happier, better sleep, more productive etc (with or without physical side effects)
Try it and find out what it does for you :) I am a fan (or lucky).

Relaxedandchilled · 03/11/2024 09:53

Sethera · 03/11/2024 09:36

It's not really 'attainable' as you still need to be able to £200 per month or thereabouts for the injections and even if people can afford a course of treatments, can they afford to stay on them for the rest of their lives?

Many will yes be able to afford it, but no one will need to pay this for years, as said earlier 8 drugs In trial now, and pill format on the horizon, likely to be licensed in 26, so price will come down hugely, all people need to do is afford it till then.

Notsuchafattynow · 03/11/2024 09:55

Greentrilby · 03/11/2024 09:19

The beautician in my local town is selling the jabs. She’s also a nurse practitioner so is able to do so legally. I think a lot of ex nursing staff who have set themselves up as small businesses doing fillers etc are now offering the jabs. I don’t think this is any more dangerous than buying online from a warehouse where there is a faceless medic.

Won't it depend on who her prescriber is?

And if she's actually using one rather than just selling black market versions?

How would you actually know?

At least buying from an online pharmacy (which is heavily regulated) you can be assured you are getting the actual medication.

Boobygravy · 03/11/2024 09:55

dcbgr · 03/11/2024 07:48

In novels from 1740 to 1950 being thin is much more often seen as ugly or undesirable than attractive: "skinny" "boney" "clavicles like salt cellars" "puny" "meagre" "dried up" "drumstick legs" are phrases I remember. I think a bit of cover is inherently more attractive than very thin especially in older women. Once we get ozempic in the drinking water we will probably go back to the historical default preference of a little plump being preferred.

Was that because it was related to affluence?
Thin people were poor normally.

Relaxedandchilled · 03/11/2024 09:56

HeronTwist · 03/11/2024 09:52

Exactly. It’s a medication, with all that entails, not a magic pill. I prescribe these drugs as part of my job and the misunderstanding around them frustrates me.

They will not work indefinitely, they have side effects, and you still need to not eat crap. I have had patients who have managed to eat more while on the injections because they didn’t think they had to try.

They are a weight loss aid, to be used amongst other interventions, and they have their limitations (and serious side effects).

What do you mean yoh prescribe as part of your job, are you a doctor or a nurse practitioner? If so I’m very concerned about your lack of knowledge , as Monjaor does work for life and is licensed for this. How are you allowed to prescribe when untrained And lack basic knowledge.

LegoTherapy · 03/11/2024 09:56

What does "mid weight" mean? I've never heard that expression before.

VioletCrawleyForever · 03/11/2024 09:57

Anyone who thinks injections are easy or cheating hasn't got a recking clue and is demonstrating sheer ignorance.

I'm embarrassed for you.

mm81736 · 03/11/2024 09:57

HonestPayforHonestWork · 03/11/2024 08:25

There’s nothing to be jealous about. Once they’re off the jabs, they still have to keep the weight off ‘the old-fashioned’ way. If they do, then that’s a major accomplishment and well done to them for doing so. The jabs aren’t forever.

Why don't you think they will be forever? If you don't have natural thyroxine for example you take a,synthetic firm of i.If you are deficient in whatever hormone it is that fat people lack (leptin, is it?) Why would you not take that in synthetic form which is what the jabs provide?

Sethera · 03/11/2024 09:57

Relaxedandchilled · 03/11/2024 09:53

Many will yes be able to afford it, but no one will need to pay this for years, as said earlier 8 drugs In trial now, and pill format on the horizon, likely to be licensed in 26, so price will come down hugely, all people need to do is afford it till then.

I wouldn't bank on the price coming down - if companies know people are prepared to pay in the hundreds monthly for it now, where is their incentive to reduce the price?

sometimesmovingforwards · 03/11/2024 09:58

Tooffless · 03/11/2024 07:35

No because evolutionary-wise we will all prefer mates that can hunt and run from a tiger.

Agreed. Saying being overweight can be attractiveness is just a modern politically correct thing to say. Nobody believes it.

GinForBreakfast · 03/11/2024 09:58

VioletCrawleyForever · 03/11/2024 09:57

Anyone who thinks injections are easy or cheating hasn't got a recking clue and is demonstrating sheer ignorance.

I'm embarrassed for you.

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Why isn't it easy?

LolaLouise · 03/11/2024 09:59

WLI injections need better legislation, there needs to be actual consequnces for hairdressers, beautitions, and gyms selling unprescribed unlabelled vials of lord knows what.

But people alse need edcucating to what the injections do, how they work, and why some people need them to lose weight. There needs to be a society wide shift on how we view obeisty, the age old "in v out" "eat less move more" needs to be re-visited, and society needs to understand that there is a genetic, biological, hormonal reason why some people are more likely to be overweight that others, and that this medication is a treatment for that. People taking it need to understand fully that this isnt a quick easy fix, for it to work, it is a life long commitment with a maintenance dose, and one you will likely be funding for life. It doesnt fix all of the problems either, what ot does do is give the person clarity and the ability to address the underlying issues.

Its a revolutionary medication, but there is also a massive amount of ill informed people taking it, and ill informed people chastising those who do.

As a nurse, my career goal now is to see a time when this is available on the NHS to the wider population, i wish to train in order to educate and prescribe people the WLI's, but also educate people as to how and why it is a necessary treatment, and why despite the fact it is socially acceptable to blame "fat people" for being "fat", actually, it is much more complex that that, and it isnt their fault.

mm81736 · 03/11/2024 09:59

Dextybooboo · 03/11/2024 09:06

I think someone touched on this earlier but I have been following manjarou users on tiktok and what strikes me with a lot of people who share what they've managed to eat is that diets don't seem to be changing, for me I would have to use the tool to change my eating habits too as as someone said above, if not, when the pens are no longer available it would be so easy to put that weight back on. But it would be fantastic to have the ability to make healthier choices because you're not hungry or fancying a certain food or cramming coke down ur neck because you're exhausted because your dd has had you up 3 nights on the trot 🤣

On MJ etc, you can only lose weight through dietary change and increased exercise.It doesn't melt away the fat, or make food less calorfic

Greentrilby · 03/11/2024 10:00

Notsuchafattynow · 03/11/2024 09:55

Won't it depend on who her prescriber is?

And if she's actually using one rather than just selling black market versions?

How would you actually know?

At least buying from an online pharmacy (which is heavily regulated) you can be assured you are getting the actual medication.

as an ANP she can prescribe. And I’m not sure that she’s less regulated than an online pharmacy- especially some of the ones that have sprung up online recently. I’ve lost weight on MJ but wonder if I’ll be able to maintain better if I have someone locally to support and advise me.

Hoplolly · 03/11/2024 10:00

countdowntonap · 03/11/2024 07:35

I think the right kind of thin will be desired - lean, with some healthy muscle and glowing skin, rather than skinny and underfed looking. That’s because maintaining muscle on GLP1s will be quite a challenge, but those that do it well will look fantastic.

It's not a challenge to maintain muscle at all. Eat protein, and exercise. It's not rocket science.

thegirlwithemousyhair · 03/11/2024 10:00

It would be great if women could stop focusing on being thin and start focusing on health, which has got little to do with being thin anyway. If you sleep well and eat properly, you will maintain a healthy weight which is probably not a size 10 for many women anyway.

VioletCrawleyForever · 03/11/2024 10:01

GinForBreakfast · 03/11/2024 09:58

Why isn't it easy?

You still need to diet and exercise and combat side effects.

PyreneanAubrie · 03/11/2024 10:01

thehighgatevampire · 03/11/2024 09:25

I saw, a very annoying, influencer saying something about doesn't matter what she wears because ' the best outfit is being thin and feeling confident'. I agree, and I know that makes me sound shallow and a bit pathetic.

The only people who talk like that are the ones who really have to work hard at it; they'll be the ones who either exist on two grapes and a lettuce leaf (or who have bulimia) and live in the gym in order to stay at their desired level of thinness.

The naturally thin don't think like this or ever really consider it as being "desirable" because it's just how they are, always have been and always will be.

Being naturally skinny doesn't necessarily give body confidence, nor is it always desired or worked at. It is just genetic for some people and they can't change it. Not all thin people are anorexic and checking their weight twice a day either.

Believe me, the ones on social media that bang on about being thin and body confident are the ones who are working hardest at it, it's all just smoke and mirrors.

Gloriana1 · 03/11/2024 10:02

AmICrazyToEvenBother · 03/11/2024 09:22

I like being 'thin' because I like how I look in clothes and can't stand the feeling of being wobbly. I feel like myself when I'm lean, I couldn't give a monkeys about how anyone else views me.

There are so many of these posts, it just goes to show how warped some of the thinking is around weight, particularly from a (probably small but vocal) faction of overweight people. Some of them sound like something out of a 90s teen high school film going on about 'skinnies'.

I'm not sure about that.

You do sound like someone who values your 'thinness' and has worked for it.

Absolutely nothing at all wrong with that. But don't start talking about being 'skinny-shamed'.

Jeysus, I was referred to as 'that skinny bitch', so many times. It wasn't an insult though, it was a desire. I'm not going to pretend it hurt me.

If I was overweight and referred to as 'the fat fucker', it's a different thing.

I am so pleased that women and men now have a way to address what friends of mine have struggled with. Why would I feel bad because people I love can find a way to help themselves?

Weight should not be a moral judgement on a person's character.

thegirlwithemousyhair · 03/11/2024 10:02

I am a bit skeptical that this jab is a magic bullet....sounds too good to be true somehow. There's got to be a snag somewhere....

HonestPayforHonestWork · 03/11/2024 10:02

thegirlwithemousyhair · 03/11/2024 10:00

It would be great if women could stop focusing on being thin and start focusing on health, which has got little to do with being thin anyway. If you sleep well and eat properly, you will maintain a healthy weight which is probably not a size 10 for many women anyway.

I would love to ‘sleep well’, it’s not exactly something everyone has control over.

PyreneanAubrie · 03/11/2024 10:03

thegirlwithemousyhair · 03/11/2024 10:02

I am a bit skeptical that this jab is a magic bullet....sounds too good to be true somehow. There's got to be a snag somewhere....

Long term side effects, as yet unknown.

GinForBreakfast · 03/11/2024 10:03

@VioletCrawleyForever yes I understand that. But given that overweight is 80% diet related, and WLJs suppress appetite, it makes losing weight "easier".

Laptoppie · 03/11/2024 10:04

A nurse will never be a doctor, completing an independent prescriber course as a nurse you should still just prescribe within your competence and ideally wifh a supplementary prescriber. There are online courses for weight loss injections, and when things are going well all good. I'd rather a doctor in case things aren't going well who is qualified in medicine though. This isn't a doctor vs nurses debate, but they are 2 equally important but different professions. Lots of aesthetics practitioners also can't prescribe and have someone who can do it on their behalf; again, fine when it's going well.

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