I’m scared now I’ve realised this

[Pickandmixmood]

I was thinking that the US public wouldn’t vote for Trump now that it is so apparent he is such a fascist. It’s terrifying to realise that they already know that and that is why they are going to vote for him.
I’m scared for the world.

I was simply making the point that this

if people vote him in, then they’re in the majority, and get who the majority voted for.

is not correct.

Adding - and it's been around since the founding because a large part of the population in the South were slaves and not entitled to a vote.

Which is why, as I made clear a few pages ago, the result will come down to just a few thousand votes in the key swing states.

Why have you changed your quote in bold text?

You have now removed the words. 'It's called democracy'

You said well no.

That's what I was responding to.

To all you pro-kamala supporters on here.. name ONE good thing she has done as a VP...?

How have I changed my quote in bold text?

In your second post you have omitted the bit (about democracy) that I was responding to that you'd quoted in your original text.

Qubblers be quibbling.

Reposting again.

I was reacting to the fact that you appeared to be suggesting that it's undemocratic because the first three words of the bold quote are 'it's called democracy'.

More insults from those who don't have any substantive points to make.

Yawn.

And my response was to @Livelovebehappy , who said that we get who the majority vote for. I said that wasn't quite accurate, which is factual.

I was literally cutting and pasting a line from their response and responding to it.

What is your problem?

lol - quoted my own username there as got confused looking back

It's crossed wires. I'm just explaining why I thought you meant it was undemocratic.

No. I was pointing out that winning the election does not necessarily equal winning a majority of the popular vote, and did not in 2016.

I agree. This idea about what gender is (a feeling, a self perception, a set of characteristics, whatever) is a social construct. Sex, otoh, is not a social construct. It's not a belief. It can be objectively demonstrated to be real. Reality matters more to me than beliefs, feelings and ideology. I do think it's necessary to make a choice as to what is most important to you, just in order to live with integrity and consistency in your values.
Lots of people believe in God as well, and God is also just a social construct. As long as believers know that, they are living in reality. When they lose sight of that it leads to intolerance to perfectly harmless differing points of view.

I'm good with those who believe in gender, in God, in whatever they like. I'm just not good with them imposing their beliefs on non-believers. That's why I strongly object to any laws about "misgendering." It's the equivalent of making it illegal to say there is no God. So that's where I'm coming from. I respect your right to believe that this thing you call gender matters. I do not think it is right to label non-believers as bigots, hateful, phobic, etcetera. If they make truly hateful, inaccurate, dehumanizing generalizations about the people involved, I would agree that that shows bigotry. But saying gender, (as a feeling, self perception, set of characteristics) is meaningless is not inherently hateful. It's often just that the person has chosen that what can be demonstrated to be real is more important.

I hope that makes sense and doesn't just look like a word salad ramble. It's a bit difficult to put it into words.

Good grief. What's your actual problem? I have asked you questions which for reasons of your own you are not prepared to answer and you come back with a barrage of personal insults.

I'm not baiting mocking or sneering at anyone. I am simply asking why it is that you think that men who claim a gender identity should take rights away from females.

Given that this is factually happening across much of the western world and is supported by Harris who may well be President next week it is not an unreasonable question.

Ok I misunderstood because of the wording of your quote.

Fair enough.

It’s called democracy
Not something Trump has shown much respect for

It’s a shame the Democrats have put forward Harris
Why? She's most likely going to win

She’s definitely not the brightest is she?
She's extremely bright and accomplished and a lot brighter and more accomplished than trump, which is what matters as it's a binary race

I mean have we really got to the point where we are on a discussion forum which is predominantly used by women and mothers where we can't talk about impacts of gender ideology on women and mothers?

And in the context of a thread about a presidential election where the female candidate who is likely to win is a true believer of this ideology we can't discuss the impact on women and mothers should she win?

We all know that Trump is no friend of women. What is shocking is that this fact means that we need to be silent about the harm that that is happening to women and children by the alternative candidate.

And if we are not we are called names.

Beggars belief.

Yet again - no hard evidence
'I've heard'
'I think'
Why do you bother writing these disingenuous posts with no evidence whatsoever? It's so weird

And @Mumtobabyhavoc if you truly believe that men who identify as women are women and that females should have to lose spaces and sport to accommodate them then you are entitled to that belief.

I don't understand why you think that these males are more worthy than females but you are fully entitled to your belief.

Not agreeing with you is not beating you up though.

You talked about feeling unsafe earlier. Why women wanting to keep females safe in prisons and sports and other times where sex is relevant makes you feel unsafe is a mystery to me.

If you are female I wonder what has made you so conditioned to put males first

A nice 4 minutes or so...

Because they're things I've heard him say myself. So you can tell me he hates all immigrants but that contradicts what I've heard him say.

I think he only hates non-white immigrants, tbf

As a gay man, Rivera knows that he may appear to not have much at stake in the fight over abortion rights. But Rivera sees the future of the issue, especially in Florida, as a “litmus test” for other rights.

“That’s what I tell people: Even if this might not be a personal issue to you overall … you are definitely next,” he said. “They are just waiting until there’s nobody left to defend you.”

In Florida, the future of abortion might come down to men | Florida | The Guardian

I've been back through the last few pages and want to point out that I have been personally attacked by at least 2 posters for the audacity of asking questions about an ideology that puts males who identify as women in a more privileged position than females.

To be clear these males under a Harris government will continue to be able to -

• compete as women in sport, any woman who complains is called a bigot and some are threatened with the removal of lucrative college scholarships. There are increasing stories of the women involved being forced to share changing rooms with these males even if that makes them uncomfortable. If they complain about being looked at by this male while in a state of undress (this offence used to be classed as voyeurism/ sexual assault) they are called bigots and are threatened with having their scholarships removed.

• identify into women's prisons, there is evidence of women being raped in prisons. Any woman who complains is the bigot. This is contrary to Human Rights Law and the Geneva convention.

• Go into all and every other space that used to be reserved for women. This includes within schools, universities, hospitals, refuges, rape crisis care. Any woman who needs single sex spaces for reasons of their own, such as their religious beliefs or being sexual assault survivors is told that their needs are less important than the male. They are the bigot.

• Women and girls are forced to lie about the sex of trans women. They are aggressively abused if they dare to speak the truth. Correctly sexing males, even when it comes to wanting to assert sex based rights is classed as bigoted.

• People are emotionally manipulated into believing that mentally distressed and autistic children will commit suicide if they are not given treatments that cause irreversible harm. There is NO evidence to support this claim.

• Talking about the fact that for some trans women who are AGP the need to be 'validated' as a woman is a fetish is seen as bigoted even though we know from the evidence of some trans women and experts that this is true.

I have been called 'unhinged' for wanting to talk about these things.

The poster who called me that is so righteous in their belief even though they can't defend their belief. They have therefore resorted to multiple personal insults to try to shut me up.

I will repeat that I am not a Trump supporter. The purpose of me posting on these threads is the hope that women will not settle for another misogyny just because Trump will be worse. And no I am not asking anyone to vote Trump. I am asking you to advocate for females and not settle for the least worst option because you are too scared to speak up. When Harris, hopefully, wins on Tuesday don't settle for this harmful ideology. Speak up.

And if you are a true believer too. That's fine. Just have the courage of your convictions and own it. Don't name call.