I’m scared now I’ve realised this

[Pickandmixmood]

I was thinking that the US public wouldn’t vote for Trump now that it is so apparent he is such a fascist. It’s terrifying to realise that they already know that and that is why they are going to vote for him.
I’m scared for the world.

Yes democrats did support violent riots in the year leading up to the election last time. They actively encouraged it then blamed trump.
Remember trump said march peacefully and patriotically. And who was killed that day? Ashley Babbit an unarmed Trump supporter. Media and Democrats labelled her a domestic terrorist. They also locked many people up so I would say that sends a very clear message.

Sorry but FFS. The definitions of women and girls are outdated??? Fucking ridiculous thing to say.

Woman XX
Man XY

Simple and has been the case since humans evolved

Ok then, as usual those against Harris just trot out personal dislikes and vague 'feelings' with absolutely zero proof.
Any serious and responsible voter does the work to find out what's true and what isn't, they don't just talk about 'feelings'! Why not share the proof for some of the more outlandish claims you've made?

If they show a short clip, I'll go and search for the whole video, and usually find they lied or twisted what was said
Can you please share some examples? There must be lots if 'they' 'usually' have lied or twisted.

I think it's possible the system can be rigged.
Do you have any evidence?

I believe he is just a puppet and not actually in charge.
Do you have any evidence?

I've seen videos of democrats say they support abortion up until the 9th month for any reason.
Can you please share some of these videos here?

I've never heard Trump say children are getting surgery at school
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much go have a good day in school and your son comes back with a brutal
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tampons will be in every boy's bathroom isn't that [Music]
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nice and he's a whack job
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Her name was Ashli, not Ashley. How did the democrats support violent riots?
Why did she die? Was it because she was engaged in peaceful protest? Or was it because she was part of a violent mob who were unlawfully breaking into the Speakers' Lobby and had pipe bombs and Molotov cocktails with them?

They also locked many people up so I would say that sends a very clear message.
Yes, thankfully it sends the clear message not to engage in unlawful violence nor attempt to overturn democracy. When Harris wins the election this week I hope her background as a prosecutor means she will have absolutely no hesitation in locking up anyone who unlawfully challenges the result.

So you think its acceptable to shoot dead an unarmed person? Is that only if they are a trump supporter?

She was shot in the shoulder by an officer who was defending the Capitol from those breaking into it as part of a mob threatening to bomb and kill those inside. They were warned continually to stand back and stand down by security guards for whom it was impossible to know if she was armed or not as she was amongst a crowd. As such, I do think it was defensible if regrettable, yes.
The Republican Senator Markwayne Mullen who was there and witnessed what happened said the officer who shot her saved lives.

If you 'don't know' about the 2020 election it's because you've been repeatedly exposed to MAGA propaganda questioning and challenging the election outcome, and you've failed to access good quality journalism which sets out the responses to those challenges.

"I see the media bias against trump"

You see media criticism of Trump. That is not indicative of 'bias'. Trump is a liar and a demagogue. It's not 'biased' to point that out. It's a fact.

"I've seen videos of democrats say they support abortion up until the 9th month for any reason"

There is no democratic support for infanticide, there never has been, and there is no meaningful political support for 'abortion up to the 9th month without any reason'. The fact that you offer this as an answer to the question: 'Do you believe Democrats support infanticide' as Trump has publicly stated, is you being absolutely dishonest, slippery and disingenuous.

"I've never heard Trump say children are getting surgery at school and I don't believe that happens"

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/trump-says-that-schools-are-secretly-sending-children-for-gender-affirming-surgeries-heres-the-truth/articleshow/114704827.cms?from=mdr

Trump is making outrageous, false, dangerous claims about Democrats to large audiences. Members of his cult who believe every lying word that comes out of his mouth. I've given you two examples here that you simply can't deal with. I find people like you very, very scary. Look back at every genocide and outbreak of widespread politically motivated social violence - all triggered by charismatic, populist figures slandering and dehumanising those they perceive as their enemies.

"I do have concerns on democrats support of children medically transitioning and the irreversible damage that will cause them or socially transitioning in school without parents knowledge."

You've got suckered in to the simple minded rhetoric around gender dysphoria that completely ignores and marginalises the voices, experiences and feelings of those who have gender dysphoria and members of the trans community. Republicans have turned this complex issue involving a tiny, tiny group of very marginalised and vulnerable people into a crude campaigning cudgel, and it's shit and unfair on everyone. Re: "socially transitioning in school without parents knowledge" - what you mean by this is teachers using a students preferred name and pronouns. I've done this with friends of my kids who've come round to my house, and I do it because they've asked me to. Would you say I've 'socially transitioned' my teenage kids trans friends? I could not roll my eyes hard enough.

"I have concerns when democrats won't say what a woman is or that they support biological males in women spaces or competing in women's sport."

People who support trans rights will tell you exactly what they think a woman is - but you won't accept any definition that identifies someone according to gender which is different from their biological sex. Some of us are able to acknowledge the reality of this issue which is that transwomen in women's spaces is a fringiest of fringe issues involving a vanishingly tiny group of marginalised people. Those on your side of the debate will only refer to it as 'males in women's spaces' - which you know is broadening out the issue way, way beyond the transgender community. And you do this because rhetorically it works for your argument to discuss it in these very 'broad brush' strokes. Materially, transgender women in women's spaces are a material irrelevance for the vast majority of biological women who've gone through life never knowingly having shared any space with a trans person, let alone a female space.

You should ask why the Republican party is making more electoral noise about this fringe issue than about any other issue, that unlike gender dysphoria is actually fundamental to women's quality of life and safety, such as rights at work, healthcare and childcare.

I actually think Republican rhetoric around transgender people is putting them at serious risk of persecution and violence. It's very very dangerous.

Don't try to paint her as innocent. She was part of the mob. She was climbing into the Capitol building through a smashed window despite repeated warnings to get back. She died needlessly, but she was not innocent.

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"Yes democrats did support violent riots in the year leading up to the election last time. They actively encouraged it then blamed trump."

Are you talking about the BLM riots? Which Democrat politicians 'encouraged it'?

Or are you just talking about random people tweeting about it?

"Remember trump said march peacefully and patriotically."

Remember Trump said that the election 'had been stolen' and that people had to 'fight like hell' or 'they wouldn't have a country left'. He's since referred to the insurrectionists who were convicted of crimes on that day as 'warriors'. Steve Bannon described himself as being part of a 'coup' on Jan 6th. There were widespread predictions of violence in response to organising posts by far right groups like the Proud Boys in the weeks leading up to the storming of the capitol.

"And who was killed that day?" "Ashley Babbit an unarmed Trump supporter." Have you watched the terrifying footage of the violent mob that she was at the front of trying to smash their way through a locked door?

"Media and Democrats labelled her a domestic terrorist".

She was.

There were widespread official warnings of organised violence in the weeks running up to Jan 6th. Trump knew this. And chose to hold a 'stop the steal' rally in Washington to tell people they'd been cheated and they needed to fight for their country.

"They also locked many people up so I would say that sends a very clear message."

They locked up people accused and convicted of crimes. Do you think violent rioters shouldn't be arrested, charged and convicted if there's evidence of an offence?

People's minds are set. They will accuse trump of being like Hitler and demonising other groups, all while doing that to him and his supporters. They were told to dial down the rhetoric after the assassination attempt but it's still going strong.
If people really want some balance and perspective then they can go onto YouTube and follow more Conservative leaning channels but I suspect they won't.
If people can't see that biden has dementia then fine, we'll have to agree to disagree.
If people think shooting dead an unarmed woman is acceptable, ok, i happen to disagree.
Trump was president before and i thought it was fine, he didn't start ww3 as they said he would. If you think things were better under biden, great, vote for Harris then.

onto YouTube and follow more Conservative leaning channels

Getting your news from Youtube is a large part of the problem. If there is a conservative leaning information channel that prioritises fact and truth as their bias, I would be very interested in seeing it.

That poster is so deeply embedded in this anti woman ideology they have lost their minds.

No one is preventing trans women or trans men from competing at sport provided they comply with doping requirements in the case of trans men in female sport where there are question marks over testosterone levels.

A female and an open class would accommodate everyone and retain fairness for females.

Sport should not be about validating a persons idea of their gender at the expenses of the safety and fairness for women.

The 'whataboutery' is out of control in your post. Can you hear yourself? Trump does literally demonise other groups - particularly immigrants and transgender people. He refers to migrants as 'lunatics' 'rapists' and 'criminals'.

In fact he only ever refers to undocumented people in this way, despite the fact that the vast majority of undocumented people who are in the US are just trying to work and make enough money to get by and are not involved in violent crimes.

People criticise Trump for doing this. That's not 'demonising' him is it?

"If people can't see that biden has dementia then fine, we'll have to agree to disagree."

The only people who are going to argue that Biden has 'dementia' are people who've never had to care for someone with dementia and don't know what it is or how it manifests itself. Like many older people Biden is forgetful. Sometimes he meanders or mumbles. He gets names wrong. Sometimes he gets a bit confused. Trump has done all of these things himself repeatedly over the past year. But it's only when Biden does this that you insist it's evidence of dementia. When Trump does it you say he's a bit tired. Whatever.

"Trump was president before and i thought it was fine"

The first 2 years of Trump's economy involved the continuation of the economic trajectory started under Obama. And then we had the pandemic - the result of which was that Trump's handling resulted in vast numbers of avoidable deaths. I appreciate that as a Republican you don't care about the deaths of other people, as long as you and your family are ok, but that doesn't make them irrelevant when it comes to assessing the success of Trump's presidency.

And since the pandemic there's been a huge cost of living crisis across the developed world. Inflation in the US only marginally exceeded the inflation rate in the Eurozone, but largely tracked it until Biden intervened to reduce it - since then headline inflation in the US has fallen faster and further than in the Eurozone. I know it's hard for Trump supporters to accept that inflation wasn't caused by Biden - the fact that most of you have no interest in or awareness of world news and international affairs probably helps with this obliviousness.

I've heard trump say he is pro immigration but that it has to be the legal way. I think a country with borders has a right to control who comes in. I've heard him speak highly of immigrants too and that most are good people. No point of having borders if you are not allowed to enforce them.

I have worked with dementia for nearly 20 years and it is very obvious in Biden. I'm stunned that people still can't see it. I genuinely found it upsetting to watch.

I don't blame covid on trump. The fact you say that I don't care about people dying is disgusting and I'm also not a republican. Again that just shows me that you are demonising me as part of a sub human group, believing I'm a terrible person because that's what you've been told about anyone who who doesn't share your political view.

What was she doing when she was shot? Wasnt "protesting peacefully " was she?

Not anti woman. But, very much against narrow definitions that exclude, discriminate and encourage hate and "othering."

I am not trying to persuade you. I made a statement, which you have been picking apart from many angles, for reasons I still don't entirely understand.

i have explained why. You made a hubristic statement that Harris is going to win comfortably and flip several red states and I wanted to know your basis for such a claim. It turns out there isn’t any, it’s just your opinion based on instinct. That’s fine.

If your definition of "woman" is broad enough to include men then it becomes rather meaningless.

Not only that it becomes hateful to women.

Because we exist. We are not a set of stereotypes determined by a man's idea of woman gender.

It is a social construct, after all. 🤷‍♀️

"For the times they are a-changin' ..."

No it is NOT a social construct. That's offensive to women. What makes you put men first I wonder?

Actually the times aren’t changing. People are opening their eyes to see the creep of scope to include men in the definition of women and pushing back, with organisations having to realise it’s wrong. Mainly thanks to British feminists.

Some people will look back on this time when they thought men could be women, men could be a lesbian trapped in a man’s body, and men should be able to play contact sports against women with - hopefully - shame and embarrassment.

Gender refers to the characteristics of women, men, girls and boys that are socially constructed. This includes norms, behaviours and roles associated with being a woman, man, girl or boy, as well as relationships with each other. As a social construct, gender varies from society to society and can change over time.

www.who.int/health-topics/gender#tab=tab_1

Congratulations, you’ve defined gender. Personality traits of people.

Woman is a sex: an adult human female.

Yes but what word do you want for adult human females? It's always been woman.

You don't get to tell me that I have to share that word with a man who thinks he has 'woman gender' I mean how can he know?

His belief system can only be based on stereotypes.

The only thing all women have in common is that we are females who have survived to adulthood. Nothing more nothing less.

Nothing at all to do with any social construct or stereotype.

Society & laws shouldn't be based on undeterminable feelings. It's just nonsense. It harms women.