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I’m scared now I’ve realised this

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Pickandmixmood · 29/10/2024 11:00

I was thinking that the US public wouldn’t vote for Trump now that it is so apparent he is such a fascist. It’s terrifying to realise that they already know that and that is why they are going to vote for him.
I’m scared for the world.

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lightandstars · 03/11/2024 11:26

NotBadConsidering · 03/11/2024 10:11

But you had nothing to base that on. And now FiveThirtyEight is predicting it for Trump 53 times out of 100 based on polls, taking into account the Iowa poll.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/

And Nate Silver is skeptical of the Iowa poll.

https://www.natesilver.net/p/a-shocking-iowa-poll-means-somebody

It’s fine to have hope, a feeling, optimism of a Harris landslide but at least admit it’s based on those things, not objective analysis of reality and data.

I have never once said it was based on data. It is based on observation of multiple factors and broad reading.

Interesting, for one so obsessed with data you ignore the data produced by Selzer - a pollster greatly admired and respected by your Nate Silver.

Deja321 · 03/11/2024 11:41

Democrats won't try and unite the nation, they are masters of divide and rule.
And I don't think there's anything trump voters can do even if they believe there is corruption. The establishment is too powerful and have shown the lengths they will go to to silence and control anyone who tries to stand up to them.

HRTQueen · 03/11/2024 11:50

The establishment is too powerful

to do what exactly uphold what voters voted for on the system of how the country votes

isn’t that democracy ?

citylightsbehind · 03/11/2024 12:04

lightandstars · 03/11/2024 03:18

I read this yesterday. Tim Alberta has done some absolutely stellar reporting throughout. This was particularly interesting because it could only have come from someone deeply embedded in the campaign (i.e. one of the two principals). Definitely has the feeling of rats deserting a sinking ship.

@NotBadConsidering

I think it's wise to take the Iowa poll with a grain of salt, but it is likely picking up momentum that may indicate more buoyancy for Harris than predicted in other swing states.

@RobinEllacotStrike

Problem is the massive Republican Party have selected him - this must carry some weight & endorses him as fit for office.

Weirdly, I think it's the opposite. The Republican Party have managed, since 2016, to alienate most of their centrist voters, so boxed themselves into a corner were they had no option other than to nominate someone they know is unfit. The party can't win now without that 33% of the electorate that won't turn out for anyone but Trump - they tried with a Trumpist (DeSantis) and someone more centrist (Nikki Haley), but both were rejected by the party faithful.

izimbra · 03/11/2024 12:42

Deja321 · 03/11/2024 11:41

Democrats won't try and unite the nation, they are masters of divide and rule.
And I don't think there's anything trump voters can do even if they believe there is corruption. The establishment is too powerful and have shown the lengths they will go to to silence and control anyone who tries to stand up to them.

'They are masters of divide and rule'.

Lol.

Trump cultists live in an alternative reality created by Trump supporting media, so that's the major divide.

The fact that your guy is making speeches saying that Democrats support infanticide, and that schools are performing gender affirming surgery on children. How utterly bizarre and vile. How do possibly expect the 2/3rds of the population that don't inhabit your delusional universe to tolerate a leader who's making these sorts of pronouncements?

izimbra · 03/11/2024 13:01

The thought of having a climate change denialist in the most powerful office on the planet.

A guy who's so delusional he's openly talking about having Musk in charge of making cuts to public spending, and Kennedy - an anti-vaxxer - in a senior role in public health.

izimbra · 03/11/2024 13:02

Trump simulating oral sex on stage in front of an audience of hysterically cheering Christian fundamentalists.

How did the US get here?

Deja321 · 03/11/2024 14:08

izimbra · 03/11/2024 12:42

'They are masters of divide and rule'.

Lol.

Trump cultists live in an alternative reality created by Trump supporting media, so that's the major divide.

The fact that your guy is making speeches saying that Democrats support infanticide, and that schools are performing gender affirming surgery on children. How utterly bizarre and vile. How do possibly expect the 2/3rds of the population that don't inhabit your delusional universe to tolerate a leader who's making these sorts of pronouncements?

I think you are part of a cult you just don't realise it.

Deja321 · 03/11/2024 14:10

izimbra · 03/11/2024 13:02

Trump simulating oral sex on stage in front of an audience of hysterically cheering Christian fundamentalists.

How did the US get here?

Do you have video of this? I've searched everywhere. The only video I've seen is him removing the mic and talking into it.

izimbra · 03/11/2024 14:43

Deja321 · 03/11/2024 14:08

I think you are part of a cult you just don't realise it.

The mind boggling weirdness of a MAGA accusing a centrist of 'being in a cult'.

Questions for you:

Did Trump lose the 2020 election?

Do Democrats support infanticide?

Do children get gender affirming surgery at school without their parents knowing?

Starbright885 · 03/11/2024 15:28

izimbra · 03/11/2024 13:02

Trump simulating oral sex on stage in front of an audience of hysterically cheering Christian fundamentalists.

How did the US get here?

What??? Omg 😳 the world has gone crazy.

citylightsbehind · 03/11/2024 15:34

CustardCreams2 · 03/11/2024 14:44

Where was the sex act? I watched the video.. there was none.

Here you go. I advise watching the whole thing, though. It's completely unhinged, including the stuff about stiffing the contractors.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP2Tnb-bSq4

CustardCreams2 · 03/11/2024 15:38

citylightsbehind · 03/11/2024 15:34

Here you go. I advise watching the whole thing, though. It's completely unhinged, including the stuff about stiffing the contractors.

Thanks. Will watch

CustardCreams2 · 03/11/2024 15:40

Oh dear. That was quite weird.

CustardCreams2 · 03/11/2024 15:41

I think the pressure of realising he might lose is getting to him.

citylightsbehind · 03/11/2024 15:48

CustardCreams2 · 03/11/2024 15:41

I think the pressure of realising he might lose is getting to him.

Yes, I think that's right.

The weird thing is that the whole routine about the microphone and stiffing the contractors now seems to be part of his schtick - he did it at another rally (minus the fellatio) too.

He also said he'd done three rallies that day but it was actually his second.

helibirdcomp · 03/11/2024 15:57

sofialiliy11 · 29/10/2024 16:22

I just looked it up.

It's not really similiar though is it.

The different states in the USA have different amounts of votes.

For example California has around 50 votes, whereas another state will have only 5 votes.

Edited

I think I heard that the electoral college system was originally based on population so it would have made sense at the time. Not sure if it has ever been adjusted though

citylightsbehind · 03/11/2024 16:17

helibirdcomp · 03/11/2024 15:57

I think I heard that the electoral college system was originally based on population so it would have made sense at the time. Not sure if it has ever been adjusted though

There are complicated reasons behind the electoral college system, a major one having to do with slavery and the population of the Southern States (as explained in the excerpt below).

It has not been adjusted since, and is problematic in terms of being truly representational of population rather than land. It would be a very difficult task to reform the system, however, probably requiring a constitutional convention. I don't see there being any chance of change - Republicans are certainly very much in favour of keeping it as the last two Republican presidents have lost the popular vote.

Excerpt on the origins of the EC:

Behind Madison’s statement were the stark facts: The populations in the North and South were approximately equal, but roughly one-third of those living in the South were held in bondage. Because of its considerable, nonvoting slave population, that region would have less clout under a popular-vote system. The ultimate solution was an indirect method of choosing the president, one that could leverage the three-fifths compromise, the Faustian bargain they’d already made to determine how congressional seats would be apportioned. With about 93 percent of the country’s slaves toiling in just five southern states, that region was the undoubted beneficiary of the compromise, increasing the size of the South’s congressional delegation by 42 percent. When the time came to agree on a system for choosing the president, it was all too easy for the delegates to resort to the three-fifths compromise as the foundation. The peculiar system that emerged was the Electoral College.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/electoral-colleges-racist-origins

Electoral College 1940s

The Electoral College’s Racist Origins

More than two centuries after it was designed to empower southern white voters, the system continues to do just that.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/electoral-colleges-racist-origins

independencefreedom · 03/11/2024 16:17

Deja321 · 03/11/2024 11:41

Democrats won't try and unite the nation, they are masters of divide and rule.
And I don't think there's anything trump voters can do even if they believe there is corruption. The establishment is too powerful and have shown the lengths they will go to to silence and control anyone who tries to stand up to them.

'the lengths they will go to'
Does that include supporting a violent riot, causing death, destruction and mayhem at the very centre of government?
Come off it.
Trump is going to lose because he's an egomaniac who actively doesn't care about people's well-being, and women in particular are completely sick and scared of him and his cronies.

independencefreedom · 03/11/2024 16:26

lightandstars · 03/11/2024 11:23

Hubris! Thank you very muchly.

I am sorry you lack the ability to form opinions of your own based on observation and the ability to draw conclusions. Also that you feel the need to insult me when I have tried to answer your incessant questions honestly.

I am not trying to persuade you. I made a statement, which you have been picking apart from many angles, for reasons I still don't entirely understand.

In terms of 'red states', I think she could flip Kansas, Texas, Iowa and possibly Florida and even Ohio and Alaska.
This is laregely based on patterns of migrancy and various states' response to the introduction/non-introduction of abortion legislation.

Growsomeballswoman · 03/11/2024 16:27

Trump will fix it? Is that a play on Jim will fix it?

Deja321 · 03/11/2024 16:37

izimbra · 03/11/2024 14:43

The mind boggling weirdness of a MAGA accusing a centrist of 'being in a cult'.

Questions for you:

Did Trump lose the 2020 election?

Do Democrats support infanticide?

Do children get gender affirming surgery at school without their parents knowing?

Just because I don't believe everything im told or hate on command, doesn't make me maga or in a cult. Im a centrist myself. I see the media bias against trump. So when they say he said or did something, I don't just believe it without question. If they show a short clip, I'll go and search for the whole video, and usually find they lied or twisted what was said. I don't think Trump is perfect but i also don't believe the likes of Clinton, Obama, Biden or Harris are good honest people.

I don't know about the 2020 election. I think it's possible the system can be rigged. I was very concerned when I heard biden won, I was worried about war, which happened. I was very concerned about his dementia and that his supporters claimed not to see it. Although I believe he is just a puppet and not actually in charge.

I've seen videos of democrats say they support abortion up until the 9th month for any reason. I happen to think that's barbaric but I do not support an abortion ban. I think there are extremists on both sides. I've heard Trump say he will leave the laws up to each state. I think banning abortion is a terrible idea. Not sure what kamala supports. I find her whiny voice like nails on a chalkboard and when she does speak just seems to repeat phrases and then cackle. Has she clarified?

I've never heard Trump say children are getting surgery at school and I don't believe that happens. I do have concerns on democrats support of children medically transitioning and the irreversible damage that will cause them or socially transitioning in school without parents knowledge.
I have concerns when democrats won't say what a woman is or that they support biological males in women spaces or competing in women's sport.

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