I’m scared now I’ve realised this

[Pickandmixmood]

I was thinking that the US public wouldn’t vote for Trump now that it is so apparent he is such a fascist. It’s terrifying to realise that they already know that and that is why they are going to vote for him.
I’m scared for the world.

Yet there is a serious risk that he might win next week.

So at what point should the Democrats be put to task for issues the electorate are unhappy with?

It doesn't really matter what the issue is, I've raised one but there are many more.

And this applies to other countries too where this 'least worst' politics applies. The UK is an example in the recent election.

I just think it is strange that rather than asking the Democrats why they are at risk of losing this election to Trump and what they intend to do about that everyone just gives answers like the one of yours that I have quoted.

Clearly many people in the USA believe Trump IS a better option, it can't be that every single person who votes Trump prefers fascism, hates women , whatever whatever .... it's got to be because they don't think the Democrats can deliver what they want.

It’s tricky if you are a woman and mother in the US.

What’s best for your daughters? Do you vote for access to abortion or access single sex spaces?

it seems you can only have one

After this election of historic importance is when the Dens need to regroup, no matter who wins.

I think women’s lives ultimately are most important

And what an awful position to be in that is.

I genuinely don't know what I'd do given that my daughter is an aspiring professional in her chosen sport. Impossible choice. Codifying reproduction rights have been election promises of the Democrats before and they have failed to prioritise.

I'm glad I don't have to vote next week.

So do I but women's lives are being impacted by the removal of title 9. Not only sporting opportunities but the lucrative educations that go hand in hand in the USA.

The Democrats are highly unlikely to do a U Turn on this as Harris appears deeply committed to the ideology.

Anyway. I'll stop now because it is an issue close to my heart because I know what this means to girls and I do have a tendancy to bang on about it.

Do you vote for access to abortion or access single sex spaces?

It's not that straightforward. I mean if you vote Republican they could also be killed in a school shooting, could have no access to affordable healthcare or affordable housing.

But we were talking about what’s best for women. Not what’s best overall.

Democrats have a definition of women that includes men. Is it best for women and girls to lose the very language that defines them?

I think Trump is awful, but gender ideology is a threat to women and girls. Is it as big a threat as lack of access to abortion? I suppose that’s an individual decision

Very true, but what worries me is that the Democrats have enabled a situation where a man who should be polling zero may very possibly win, and that can't all be put down to knuckle dragging right wingers no matter how much some might wish it so

It's understandable that staunch democrats may not want to address this, and if Harris squeaks through they'll probably try to avoid it for another four years, but I'm not sure that'll do much to mend matters

God, what a mess ...

Given trans ideology, and the Obama administration’s change to Title IX have only been fairly recent things, there have already been thousands of women denied success as a result of men.

https://www.shewon.org

How many women need to be disadvantaged before it matters to you?

These are Democrat-initiated policies. Girls have been sexually assaulted in school toilets and Democrat-led county officials tried to pretend it hadn’t happened:

https://archive.md/eVNjr

How many girls need to be sexually assaulted by men or boys before it matters to you?

The Biden-appointed trans identifying male Rachel Levine pressured WPATH to remove age limits on surgery for gender distressed children:

https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/unsealed-court-documents-show-that

How many girls under the age of 18 need to have their breasts removed unnecessarily before it matters to you?

Democrat policies harm women and girls. They have done so already and will continue to do so. Thousands of children in the USA have undergone medical transition and have been sterilised and rendered asexual. The VP candidate Walz is on record as making Minnesota a “refuge state” where children can come and be sterilised without question.

I actually don’t think Trump will do anything about abortion. He’s just empty talk to get the fundamentalists on his side. Very little changes with abortion on a Federal front from administration to administration and it’s left to states.

And a great deal of gender ideology is driven by state legislation also. BUT there has been significant notable federal intervention as I have noted. Executive orders and direct meddling.

It's individual how you weight these issues, as nolongersurprised says, but no one can claim that a vote for Harris/Walz and the Democrats is protective of women’s rights, that’s a tragically laughable claim.

Goes to show that these inadequate Left versus Right choices are nothing but two cheeks of the same arse. Same in our country. It's a pantomime put on by the puppeteers above, who control both sides, to distract people. The world is now a large corporatocracy run by bankers who love seeing us all fighting each other over different heads of the hydra because it takes the heat off them. Gender identity was created and rolled out across the western world precisely for this purpose. Yes we need to fight for protection of single sex spaces but look at all the energy that now has to go into that instead of into other things. This is on purpose. I think it was an American turn of the century feminist who said that women shouldn't be voting for any party involving men anyway. It's how the women's Vote was immediately de-fanged, by coaxing women to vote for pre-existing male-run parties that are, at heart, really only interested in men and men's voices. Women should have created their own party at that moment and starting voting in the policies they wanted, not instantly reduced themselves to pleading with male-orientated parties to include the policies women want. Still true today.

@NotBadConsidering Trump has already done the greatest possible harm to women. He chose Supreme Court justices laser focused on overturning Roe v Wade. Since abortion law has been put back to each state, maternal mortality has increased. We have documented cases of women bleeding out in hospital parking areas and waiting rooms because HCPs are afraid that providing care before they are at death’s door is illegal, and sometimes they get it wrong.

Trump’s claim that he will protect women is worse than laughable. It is obscene.

The context to this must be stated for fairness.

Trump was able to stack the supreme court to dismantle Roe v Wade because the Democrats failed, despite election promises made by Obama, to prioritise codifying it so it couldn't be overturned.

Given the background of the religious right, the Democrats must have known that this was a risk, yet it was still not considered important enough to prevent despite the election promises.

Even now when Harris is making promises there are no guarantees that, if she wins, she will be able to make great strides to codify abortion which is determined on a state by state basis.

Harris is no friend to women either. She is not as bad as Trump but there is no evidence that she meet this election promise, Obama didn't. She is no friend ot women wrt to other women's rights, look at what the current administration did to women's sport and how they fawn over males who identify as women.

Time will tell whether who will win and what they will do.

Since abortion law has been put back to each state, maternal mortality has increased

The USA’s MMR went from 32.9 in 2021 to 22.3 in 2022. It’s been below 21 since December 2022 and below 20 provisionally for 20224 so far.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-maternal-deaths-rates.htm (figure 1, click the + for data table)

And it’s speculation that lack of abortion access has led to this. Covid deaths in pregnancy, lack of other health care, generally shit care of women all plays a role. It’s been generally rising steadily for decades, jumped up in Covid, then dropped again.

There’s no doubt lack of access to abortion threatens women’s lives. But deaths correlating with Trump’s actions is speculative.

Trump’s claim that he will protect women is worse than laughable. It is obscene.

So is Harris’s. She won’t protect women in sport. In contact sport. In schools. In college competitions. In the changing rooms. She won’t protect children from being sterilised. She won’t protect girls from having mastectomies. She won’t protect women in prisons who are housed with violent male offenders. She won’t protect those women and girls.

That’s the bind, isn’t it? Whose lack of protection of women is going to make the biggest difference to those voters? It works both ways. When abortion rights worsen the Democrats will tell Trump voters “you voted for this.” When another girl gets sexually assaulted by a trans identifying boy the Republicans will tell the Harris voters “you voted for this.”

I find Trump despicable, but I find it equally despicable that there isn’t a genuine option to protect women’s rights in their entirety.

What are you talking about? Of course the left is criticised. Many of your posts are critical of "the left". The hyperbole is strong in your posts.

Do you live in the USA @lifeturnsonadime?

No I don't live in the USA I've stated that on this thread, but nor do you from what I've seen about your other posts, so?

In the elections for the Senate and Congress.

Voting for a facist rapist is never the answer.🤷‍♀️

Please give an example of hyperbole? What claims have I exaggerated or falsified?

According to you. I agree I wouldn't vote for him either I don't think, but many many people do think it is the answer, otherwise people wouldn't be worried he might win next week : S

You believe that the Left can never be criticised which is patently untrue and definitely not a fact.

It's hyperbole, the language of incongruence.

This is a minor point, but Congress is the term for the entire legislative branch of government, which consists of the Senate and the House of Representatives.

Well it feels like a fact on this thread and on previous labour v conservatives ones.

The response 99.9% but the Tory's / Trump are worse.

I KNOW!

It's the fact that women are prepared to settle for some pretty awful anti woman / anti child policies rather than let their politicians know that they are dissatisfied. I just don't get it. These things are too important. The left is getting away with too much because they point the finger and say 'at least we're not as bad'.

Your response - you'd rather a rapist?

No I'd rather the left do the right thing by women ! It's not rocket science.

Why don't you do the right thing by women and listen to all the women on this thread who have asked you to shut up on this topic/start your own thread/stop derailing this one.

I have the right to post where I want, you can scroll on.

Trying to shut women up about things that impact women because it's inconvenient to you, isn't a great look you know.

I agree that Obama backed away.

Harris has not had a chance to meet this promise, as the VP has no power to do so. Thus one cannot criticise her at present on this point.

I understand that you disagree with the Dems position on transgender rights. As someone who took US citizenship I follow mainstream American news rather carefully and I don’t sense that most people are thinking much about transgender issues at all.

I prefer to call it women's rights.

Have you heard the voices of the female athletes or are they being supressed by the mainstream media.