I’m scared now I’ve realised this

[Pickandmixmood]

I was thinking that the US public wouldn’t vote for Trump now that it is so apparent he is such a fascist. It’s terrifying to realise that they already know that and that is why they are going to vote for him.
I’m scared for the world.

How do you behave in that circumstance?

Well I certainly don't erect a hanging platform and go looking for Mike Pence, having smashed through the glass and forced the doors of the Capitol.

Arnold Schwarzenegger has come out in favour of Kamala:

"I will always be an American before I am a Republican. That’s why, this week, I am voting for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz.”

“Rejecting the results of an election is as un-American as it gets,” he added.

Arnie's a good guy.

https://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-archive-schwarzenegger-women-story.html

such hypocrites 😆

Yeah, that was a smear campaign 20 years ago, and he's apologized for his actions, but do go off.

My friend in the states is massively anti-Trump and will vote Democrat.

But she says she's also frightened for what they will do in the area of allowing trans rights to encroach on women's rights.

Harris is the least worst option purely because she's not Trump.

It beggars belief that it comes down to these two people.

Same. Exactly this.

The trans issue is a concern, but another Trump presidency would be so damaging for the environment it's not really an option.

I would focus on getting reproductive rights back before worrying about trans issues.

To be clear, I mean the issue of trans 'rights' encroaching on women's rights.

The bottom line, to me, is that this isn't just an election between two people with vastly different policies, or even between two people of vastly different moral standings, though it is both of those things. Most of all, it's an election between someone who respects the democratic process and will accept defeat, if it happens, with good grace, and someone who has already shown four years ago and through his subsequent threats that he does not respect the democratic process and will rail against it, and incite violence against it, if he loses. Some things are bigger than whether you lean to the left or the right or are usually a Republican or a Democrat.....I don't think it's overstating it to say that the whole of American democracy could be at stake. (And that's incredibly serious for the UK and a lot of other countries too).

Bollocks.

Wow.

out of interest; what is your education level?

Yes, I would still be more concerned about women being able to safely and legally access abortion clinics, and not have their lives at risk, first.

Just one example:

"Barnica is one of at least two Texas women who ProPublica found lost their lives after doctors delayed treating miscarriages, which fall into a gray area under the state’s strict abortion laws that prohibit doctors from ending the heartbeat of a fetus."

Josseli Barnica Died in Texas After Waiting 40 Hours for Miscarriage Care — ProPublica

Meanwhile look at the deal he did with the Taliban.

To me that is the most worrying thing, he says he wants people to 'stop fighting' well in Afghanistan he certainly managed that.

What will happen in the Ukraine and the Middle east is scary.

I sometimes think that with the impact the US has on the world maybe some other countries should be able to vote for the president.

Im a women..but thats all im hearing from the Kamala camp..abortion..if youre a single issue voter then fine

You clearly aren't listening then.

Maybe read the thread and try to follow the conversation, rather than plucking out comments at random to make some low point.

@lightandstars the democrats failed to codify abortion laws despite the fact that it was an Obama pre-electon promise.

Roe v Wade was overturned under the Biden presidency.

The Democrats didn't care about reproduction rights to prevent the current situation even though they could see it coming.

I'm not in the USA and I'm not a Trump supporter but blaming this ALL on the Republicans and Trump is wrong.

And if I were a woman in the USA I'd be between a rock and hard place, neither side has the interests of women at heart, the democrats care more about the men who say they are women, if they didn't they wouldn't have destroyed women's sports.

I spent last week staying with family from Georgia & watching Gerogian TV over VPN.

I saw many political advertisements - Atlanta Georgia residents are being bombarded by both sides with political advertising.

ALL the Harris advertisements I saw (and there were lots of them) were about abortion. Why didn't Harris move to protect womens rights these last 4 years?

Oh & from a UK perspective the political advertising standards are outrageous - mud slinging from both sides. No one is covered in any glory in this process.

Yes political adverts in the US are off the scale and just divides society more. I wish the Democrat's would stick to Michelle Obama's stance of 'when they go low we go high'

I can remember the huge fuss over New Labour New Danger where Blair had demon eyes which is just so tame in comparison

What do they say about Trump? And who is 'they'? Joe Biden? Kamala Harris? Democrat politicians? Or random commentators online

If you're referring to him being called a fascist - his chief of staff - a deeply conservative man with an impeccable record of service used this word to describe him, on the strength of Trump's behaviour in office. So if Harris calls Trump a 'fascist' it's not a meaningless insult.

Go read some academic texts on what fascism is and you will see that 'fascist' is a completely appropriate term to describe Trump's values, his proclivities and his style of leadership.

"I think democrats are the fascists"

Because you don't know what 'fascism' means.

"Like when he spoke about drug dealers crossing the boarder and media tried to say he was talking about all Mexicans."

Trump continuously refers to undocumented migrants ONLY in terms of their criminality. Because if he wins the election he's planning to put millions of undocumented people in concentration camps prior to deportation. The evidence doesn't show that all or even most undocumented people are violent criminals. Most of them are people coming from poverty and oppression who are just desperate to work and make a life for themselves in the USA, like migrants the world over. But Trump can't acknowledge that because he wants everyone to fear and hate all undocumented people - hence only ever referring to people crossing the border as 'lunatics and criminals'.

"I'm guessing you watch alot of cnn?"

I'm in the UK. I don't watch US television. I get my news from a wide variety of reputable sources, and more to the point, after I listen to Trump talking, I go and fact check him. Which you obviously don't do ever, because if you did you'd know that Trump is an outrageous liar.

The problem with that is that Trump is genuinely fascistic.

By your terms it's unethical for his political rivals to point this out.

From The Hill:

"Forty-nine years have passed since the Supreme Court’s 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade established the constitutional right to an abortion before fetal viability. There have been congressional attempts to pass a constitutional amendment overturning Roe, as well as efforts to codify the decision. All have failed."

US politics is incredibly complex and the idea that all Harris had to do was make a decision to codify RvsW and it would have happened is cuckoo.

"And if I were a woman in the USA I'd be between a rock and hard place, neither side has the interests of women at heart, the democrats care more about the men who say they are women, if they didn't they wouldn't have destroyed women's sports."

Have women's sports 'been destroyed'? 😂

Or have you had your head turned by watching a few too many of the thousands of transphobic ads the Republicans are currently flooding social media with?

Genuinely staggered that you're blaming the Democrats for the Trump/GOP engineered trashing of women's reproductive rights across half of the US.

You people have no shame. None.