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I’m scared now I’ve realised this

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Pickandmixmood · 29/10/2024 11:00

I was thinking that the US public wouldn’t vote for Trump now that it is so apparent he is such a fascist. It’s terrifying to realise that they already know that and that is why they are going to vote for him.
I’m scared for the world.

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MissConductUS · 30/10/2024 12:17

Gummybear23 · 30/10/2024 11:55

Upside is if trumpet (what I call him) wins
Will only be for another 4 years.
Be too senile to stand again.

If he wins, he can't stand again, no matter his age or cognitive abilities. The 22nd Amendment to the Constitution says that no person can serve for more than two terms as president.

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lightandstars · 30/10/2024 12:20

CustardCreams2 · 30/10/2024 12:01

Kamala Harris's judicial record is impressively bad. It goes far beyond what some would write off as "rookie mistakes"; showing a severe problem that has be present and undeniable her entire career as a Prosecutor.
To start - her record as the district attorney of San Fransisco (2004-2011). In 2010 Harris was accused of withholding information from a courtroom, violating the defendant's constitutional rights.
Harris championed legislation that would prosecute parents of children who were habitually truant in elementary school. Grades K-5. This disproportionately effected low income students and furthered their disadvantage.
In 2014, she spoke out against a federal judge in Orange County who ruled the the death penalty was unconstitutional. The ACLU and several Public Defender's in California condemned Harris for this and future actions of hers.
In her further career, these problems persisted.
She stood against propositions to make certain felonies become misdemeanors, laughed at the idea of legalizing Marijuana, and opposed legislation that would require state wide body cam wearing by officers.
She has a history of wrongful conviction cases which I wont get into all the details but please read the the articles for more information.
Harris has also an incredibly high incarceration rate of African American males for crimes such as smoking Marijuana. 1,500 to 2,000 convictions are the most common results I have seen. She has often dismissed cases regarding complaints against an officer, withehld evidence from a man on death row, and has continued to keep wrongfully convicted felons in jail.
You can come to your own conclusions about Harris and again, I understand the historical significance of her role. But that is not something to focus on when choosing a candidate or person to support.
Citations:
Kamala Harris Was Not a ‘Progressive Prosecutor’ https://nyti.ms/2RVs0b2
‘Progressive Prosecutor’: Can Kamala Harris Square the Circle? https://nyti.ms/2UQEmyX

Point me to her mug shot.

MorrisZapp · 30/10/2024 12:35

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Sad but true. They think his appalling, offensive gaffes are funny, but expect flawless oration from her.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/10/2024 13:45

MorrisZapp · 30/10/2024 12:35

Sad but true. They think his appalling, offensive gaffes are funny, but expect flawless oration from her.

Personally I don't find anything about him funny, but to borrow an old phrase it's a pretty low bar not to expect better than he gives us considering how bad much of it is

FWIW I don't even expect "flawless oration" - just an end to the incessant giggling would be a start, whether it's down to a lack of confidence in the new position, an attempt to buy time to think of an answer or something else

hamstersarse · 30/10/2024 15:05

CustardCreams2 · 30/10/2024 12:01

Kamala Harris's judicial record is impressively bad. It goes far beyond what some would write off as "rookie mistakes"; showing a severe problem that has be present and undeniable her entire career as a Prosecutor.
To start - her record as the district attorney of San Fransisco (2004-2011). In 2010 Harris was accused of withholding information from a courtroom, violating the defendant's constitutional rights.
Harris championed legislation that would prosecute parents of children who were habitually truant in elementary school. Grades K-5. This disproportionately effected low income students and furthered their disadvantage.
In 2014, she spoke out against a federal judge in Orange County who ruled the the death penalty was unconstitutional. The ACLU and several Public Defender's in California condemned Harris for this and future actions of hers.
In her further career, these problems persisted.
She stood against propositions to make certain felonies become misdemeanors, laughed at the idea of legalizing Marijuana, and opposed legislation that would require state wide body cam wearing by officers.
She has a history of wrongful conviction cases which I wont get into all the details but please read the the articles for more information.
Harris has also an incredibly high incarceration rate of African American males for crimes such as smoking Marijuana. 1,500 to 2,000 convictions are the most common results I have seen. She has often dismissed cases regarding complaints against an officer, withehld evidence from a man on death row, and has continued to keep wrongfully convicted felons in jail.
You can come to your own conclusions about Harris and again, I understand the historical significance of her role. But that is not something to focus on when choosing a candidate or person to support.
Citations:
Kamala Harris Was Not a ‘Progressive Prosecutor’ https://nyti.ms/2RVs0b2
‘Progressive Prosecutor’: Can Kamala Harris Square the Circle? https://nyti.ms/2UQEmyX

Did you see this video circulating about Kamala? https://x.com/MarkUltramaga/status/1850615749204984181

The "swipe of my pen" line is seriously sinister.

I really think she has no place having power, there is something off very off about her.

I get why people don't like Trump, but he does understand power pretty well. He has vast experience of it, and he knows the games people play very well when you are in a highly competitive and big stakes environment - and thus knows how to play them himself. You hear it in how he deals with all of his opponents, and if you have seen him on any of the long-form podcasts recently (Andrew Shulz or Joe Rogan) you will see he is basically just a business man out 'winning deals' and if that includes dunking on your opponent, he will do it. I don't think that is how Democrats approach this, they don't play by 'the rules' of the game; Russia-gate, all the dubious charges against him, I don't want to say assassinations, but it is hard not to....whatever, the Democrats have persistently tried to bring him down, bankrupt him, libel him....if you look at it, he has only really called them names. Tampon Tim, Sleepy Joe and Comrade Kamala, and unless you are completely devoid of humour, they are just quite funny?

The January 6th thing, it isn't as straightforward as many media outlets want you to think, there are all sorts of questions that are unanswered, such as the CIA Director refusing to deny that they had operatives there, such as 'doors being opened' to the protestors...but more fundamentally, what would you expect someone to do if they suspected there had been voter fraud in an election? How do you behave in that circumstance? No one claims that voter fraud is zero, so what level is it at? I don't know, but maybe others do?

x.com

https://x.com/MarkUltramaga/status/1850615749204984181

Victoriancat · 30/10/2024 15:09

ChocolateGanache · 29/10/2024 20:16

Oh well fuck the rest of the world then! 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

Where did I say that 😂

HRTQueen · 30/10/2024 15:18

I would have expected that President of the US to when presented with evidence and after recounting of votes to accept that he lost

hamstersarse · 30/10/2024 15:19

HRTQueen · 30/10/2024 15:18

I would have expected that President of the US to when presented with evidence and after recounting of votes to accept that he lost

Erm, he did?

MzHz · 30/10/2024 15:53

hamstersarse · 30/10/2024 15:19

Erm, he did?

He is still refered to as Mr President by the delulus following him

MorrisZapp · 30/10/2024 16:01

Do ex presidents not get the honorary Mr President until death?

MissConductUS · 30/10/2024 16:06

MorrisZapp · 30/10/2024 16:01

Do ex presidents not get the honorary Mr President until death?

In common usage, they do. In strict etiquette and law, they are referred to as "former President" Last name.

ruethewhirl · 30/10/2024 16:06

People are entitled to hold opinions different to your own without you ridiculing them; that is plain childish. If you have no counter argument then say nothing.

People are also entitled to criticise the opinions of others, especially when they're presented so laughably.

Emmascout1774 · 30/10/2024 16:29

YourAzureEagle · 30/10/2024 08:50

It works the same way, here some constituencies have more voters, individual votes also don't count.

For example, Lib Dem and Reform got approx the same number of actual votes, but Lib Dem have I think 70 seats and Reform 5.

This is why you get the discussion about Proportional Representation every election.

No there are roughly the same number of voters in each constituency.

what causes the issue is that you can win the seat with 100% of the votes or with 34% of the votes - as long as you have the biggest share compared to others.
that’s why reform didn’t gain as many seats despite lots of votes - because their votes were more thinly spread across the country.

independencefreedom · 30/10/2024 16:31

hamstersarse · 30/10/2024 15:05

Did you see this video circulating about Kamala? https://x.com/MarkUltramaga/status/1850615749204984181

The "swipe of my pen" line is seriously sinister.

I really think she has no place having power, there is something off very off about her.

I get why people don't like Trump, but he does understand power pretty well. He has vast experience of it, and he knows the games people play very well when you are in a highly competitive and big stakes environment - and thus knows how to play them himself. You hear it in how he deals with all of his opponents, and if you have seen him on any of the long-form podcasts recently (Andrew Shulz or Joe Rogan) you will see he is basically just a business man out 'winning deals' and if that includes dunking on your opponent, he will do it. I don't think that is how Democrats approach this, they don't play by 'the rules' of the game; Russia-gate, all the dubious charges against him, I don't want to say assassinations, but it is hard not to....whatever, the Democrats have persistently tried to bring him down, bankrupt him, libel him....if you look at it, he has only really called them names. Tampon Tim, Sleepy Joe and Comrade Kamala, and unless you are completely devoid of humour, they are just quite funny?

The January 6th thing, it isn't as straightforward as many media outlets want you to think, there are all sorts of questions that are unanswered, such as the CIA Director refusing to deny that they had operatives there, such as 'doors being opened' to the protestors...but more fundamentally, what would you expect someone to do if they suspected there had been voter fraud in an election? How do you behave in that circumstance? No one claims that voter fraud is zero, so what level is it at? I don't know, but maybe others do?

'there is something off very off about her.'
'The January 6th thing, it isn't as straightforward as many media outlets want you to think'

Is that it? Such a typical Trump supporter to trot out vagaries against Harris which are completely laughable compared to the fact that he's an egomaniacal despot, a convicted felon, a rapist, doesn't pay his bills and incited violence against the democratic process.

'what would you expect someone to do if they suspected there had been voter fraud in an election?' If you mean someone who was supposed to be the leader of the country?
I wouldn't expect them to encourage a mob who came armed with Molotov cocktails and pipe bombs, built a gallows, threatened to kill politicians and violently broke into Congress, looted and vandalised the place and caused death and $2.7 million in damages. 884 of them were sentenced. Great display of leadership!

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/10/2024 16:34

hamstersarse · 30/10/2024 15:19

Erm, he did?

No he didn't. He launched a campaign of harassment and intimidation against Election officials and called a violent insurrection in the capital.

Don't you remember?

TheYearOfSmallThings · 30/10/2024 17:27

hamstersarse · 30/10/2024 15:05

Did you see this video circulating about Kamala? https://x.com/MarkUltramaga/status/1850615749204984181

The "swipe of my pen" line is seriously sinister.

I really think she has no place having power, there is something off very off about her.

I get why people don't like Trump, but he does understand power pretty well. He has vast experience of it, and he knows the games people play very well when you are in a highly competitive and big stakes environment - and thus knows how to play them himself. You hear it in how he deals with all of his opponents, and if you have seen him on any of the long-form podcasts recently (Andrew Shulz or Joe Rogan) you will see he is basically just a business man out 'winning deals' and if that includes dunking on your opponent, he will do it. I don't think that is how Democrats approach this, they don't play by 'the rules' of the game; Russia-gate, all the dubious charges against him, I don't want to say assassinations, but it is hard not to....whatever, the Democrats have persistently tried to bring him down, bankrupt him, libel him....if you look at it, he has only really called them names. Tampon Tim, Sleepy Joe and Comrade Kamala, and unless you are completely devoid of humour, they are just quite funny?

The January 6th thing, it isn't as straightforward as many media outlets want you to think, there are all sorts of questions that are unanswered, such as the CIA Director refusing to deny that they had operatives there, such as 'doors being opened' to the protestors...but more fundamentally, what would you expect someone to do if they suspected there had been voter fraud in an election? How do you behave in that circumstance? No one claims that voter fraud is zero, so what level is it at? I don't know, but maybe others do?

😂 lol

poetryandwine · 30/10/2024 17:39

@CustardCreams2 Thank you for finally providing a more substantive criticism of Kamala Harris. No one ever said she was America’s most progressive AG. I think in that rough and tumble world, she was probably about average. I do remember that on the Senate Judiciary Committee she did a brilliant job interrogating Brett Kavenaugh about the sexual harassment accusations when he was a Supreme Court nominee. His shouty, tantrumy responses should have been disqualifying of themselves.

Aside from the minority of true believers, in whom Trump strikes a chord for complex reasons, Americans who support Trump seem to be voting their pocketbooks. People don’t connect his policies with the hell the pandemic wrought. They cling to an illogical hope that tariffs will help them.

Kamala Harris isn’t necessarily the strongest Dem out there . But she was the only one with access to millions of dollars at the last minute, and she is a fine, well qualified candidate. In the real world she is running against someone who speaks in word salads with, literally, a Year 3 vocabulary. Never mind that dozens who have worked with Trump, mostly conservative Republicans, are vocally supporting Harris. She is head and shoulders above him as a communicator, a politician and a human being. To criticise her but not him is misogyny.

I took US citizenship when I lived in America. I have already mailed my absentee ballot, cast for Kamala Harris. I was proud to do so.

poetryandwine · 30/10/2024 17:45

@hamstersarse Many people are concerned about voter fraud. Major American think tanks, both nonpartisan and those with a wide range of political affiliations, have been studying it for years. The consensus has been that it has been vanishingly rare.

In 2020 Trump’s team started about 60 lawsuits alleging voting irregularities. The courts failed to uphold every one of them, and some of the judges involved were ‘his judges’ or other conservative judges.

You asked above what we would expect someone to do if they suspect voter fraud in an election. I expect them to pursue their suspicions within the law. The End.

independencefreedom · 30/10/2024 18:22

poetryandwine · 30/10/2024 17:45

@hamstersarse Many people are concerned about voter fraud. Major American think tanks, both nonpartisan and those with a wide range of political affiliations, have been studying it for years. The consensus has been that it has been vanishingly rare.

In 2020 Trump’s team started about 60 lawsuits alleging voting irregularities. The courts failed to uphold every one of them, and some of the judges involved were ‘his judges’ or other conservative judges.

You asked above what we would expect someone to do if they suspect voter fraud in an election. I expect them to pursue their suspicions within the law. The End.

The MAGAs are already trying to suggest the vote is being stolen so they can augment that narrative if Trump loses. Their tactics are so completely transparent.

HRTQueen · 30/10/2024 18:54

hamstersarse · 30/10/2024 15:19

Erm, he did?

I think you need to listen to what Trump has said about the election in 2020

and what Mike Pence has said about the 2020 election

G5000 · 30/10/2024 19:42

Erm, he did?

Well he did leave the White House before they had to drag him out, fair enough. He has been parroting that he actually won ever since.

independencefreedom · 30/10/2024 19:51

hamstersarse · 30/10/2024 15:05

Did you see this video circulating about Kamala? https://x.com/MarkUltramaga/status/1850615749204984181

The "swipe of my pen" line is seriously sinister.

I really think she has no place having power, there is something off very off about her.

I get why people don't like Trump, but he does understand power pretty well. He has vast experience of it, and he knows the games people play very well when you are in a highly competitive and big stakes environment - and thus knows how to play them himself. You hear it in how he deals with all of his opponents, and if you have seen him on any of the long-form podcasts recently (Andrew Shulz or Joe Rogan) you will see he is basically just a business man out 'winning deals' and if that includes dunking on your opponent, he will do it. I don't think that is how Democrats approach this, they don't play by 'the rules' of the game; Russia-gate, all the dubious charges against him, I don't want to say assassinations, but it is hard not to....whatever, the Democrats have persistently tried to bring him down, bankrupt him, libel him....if you look at it, he has only really called them names. Tampon Tim, Sleepy Joe and Comrade Kamala, and unless you are completely devoid of humour, they are just quite funny?

The January 6th thing, it isn't as straightforward as many media outlets want you to think, there are all sorts of questions that are unanswered, such as the CIA Director refusing to deny that they had operatives there, such as 'doors being opened' to the protestors...but more fundamentally, what would you expect someone to do if they suspected there had been voter fraud in an election? How do you behave in that circumstance? No one claims that voter fraud is zero, so what level is it at? I don't know, but maybe others do?

How does it feel to be so dishonest?
It's pretty weird to see 'Christians' support Trump who has broken almost every commandment there is.

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