Kemi badenoch and Robert jenrick through to final

[Hunnymonster1]

So the new leader of the tory party will be a woman that wants to cut maternity pay who loves the culture war rubbish and Robert who painted over a cartoon in an immigration centre. Who wants us out kf the echr because who need human rights lol
The conservative party is now like the reform party them two are very much to the right of the party
So with that choice I can't see tories getting back in in 5 years time. Most people are on the centre doesn't bother me as I loath tories but we do need an opposition

Yep, unbelievably weird choice. I guess it's Labour for the next 15 years.

Yeah, she knows what a woman is and she's consistently voted against women's rights.

Some people are so blinded by intolerance, they really can't see what's right in front of them.

Yep. I think when you get to the point of admiring Kemi Badenoch there's really no point in denying your true political home, is there?

The Tories have trashed public services to the extent that it will take at least ten years to rebuild them. In the case of the NHS, I’m sure it will take a lot longer than ten years, but hopefully within ten years we’ll see some positive changes.

I don’t love Labour, but if we want functional public services, then realistically they’re our only hope. Who else is going to do it?

Labour have a massive majority and that isn’t going to change any time soon. Starmer has clearly decided to carry out his most difficult and unpopular policies first. It isn’t pretty, but it makes sense, I suppose.

Noone wants to wait 10 years to see if their plans work or not. Unless they clearly communicate where the issues are and what they are going to do then people will lose patience very quickly. Noone will want to be taxed more with mammoth interest rates (mortgages will go through the roof after the budget when RR borrows billions more) on the promise of a same day Dr's appointment some time in the next 10 years.

I agree that they have to deliver but the Tory Party have just completed failed to recognise why they were voted out. People want things to work. They voted Labour because they said they would try to fix things.

How nuts do you have to then decide that your next party leader is someone who engages in culture wars or immigration? It’s obvious that most of the country did not care about these things or the Conservatives would have been re-elected.

Labour may fail on their own manifesto. The Conservatives are still engaging in moon unit politics which most don’t care about.

Why are you calling me Angela rayner

Because your over the top, almost comic book visceral hatred of Tories reminds me of her. Although in fairness, AR would never defend Starmer like you do.

Comic book omfg are you for real yeah I hate them I hate how they have ruined the uk anyone decent should hate that

@Alexandra2001 , were you born in 2001? How young you are if so, so much experience to be gained and yet you think you understand a demographic so unlike your own. The arrogance of youth.
The Conservative Party was ripped apart by infighting and pretty bloody useless as a result. Your disgust towards them is as nothing compared to those who hold genuine Conservative views believe me. We couldn’t vote for them even though we knew this would lead to the disaster of a Labour government. We defected in our millions to Reform or simply didn’t bother to vote. The men in grey suits didn’t and probably don’t want a true Conservative as leader of the party, they tried to manipulate the MP’s votes to favour Cleverly but it backfired on them spectacularly and the party faithful have a choice between two candidates from the right of the party. Hurrah!
I think Kemi will win, I certainly hope so. She will rip Starmer to shreds at the dispatch box and she is a true blue. I sincerely hope the wets bugger off to the Lib Dem’s where they belong. Bring it on.

I don’t think you realise quite how bad things are. To be fair, if I didn’t work in the public sector, I probably wouldn’t know either.

Local authorities are on the verge of bankruptcy because the system for funding social care is utterly broken. It’s a statutory service that councils MUST provide, but as the baby boomer generation has started to reach retirement age, demand has rocketed. There’s also been an increase in the number of children and adults with complex care needs who need very expensive specialist provision.

Unforgivably, some care providers have taken advantage of their scarcity and hiked their prices by as much as 100% within a year. This should be a national
scandal - I would love to see them named and shamed! No wonder that in some areas, social care now accounts for 2/3 of council spending.

The social care crisis has had a massive impact on an already over-stretched NHS. Thousands of patients can’t be discharged at the right time as there’s no care package in place for them. Others are ending up in hospital repeatedly due to lack of support, especially from social care, mental health services and housing services. It’s very depressing to see the same people go round and round the system, never getting the targeted support they need.

In addition to this, some of our hospital buildings badly need replacing and updating. The Tories made grand promises to certain hospitals amid much media fanfare, then failed to set the money aside. Basically, their promises were worthless.

Education is struggling, with state schools suffering from budget cuts, increased demands from the government and insufficient funding to help children with SEN (including a shortage of specialist school places). No wonder we have a teacher retention crisis.

The justice system is broken, with victims and perpetrators often waiting years for their trials. Sometimes, the trials then collapse on a technicality, such as a witness failing to turn up on the day. Also, fewer people now have access to Legal Aid. There’s a shortage of prison places, so some violent offenders are reoffending within days of being convicted!

The Tories’s underfunding of vital services have all combined to create a vicious cycle of increasing poverty and deprivation, higher rates of violent crime, poorer physical and mental health and reduced economic productivity. I don’t understand how anyone can defend them. Does anyone seriously believe that they’ve left the country in a better state than it was in 2010?

Don't be so bloody patronising.

I can't even be bothered to reply to your post.

Labour started that actually. Instead of being modest and forward thinking, they overspent and created services that were totally unsustainable in the model they were provided in. Causing what? ... nearly bankrupting the country.

I fear they're about to do the same and we're stuck between a never ending cycle of red idiots and blue idiots. With no one thinking beyond the next elections.

PFI’s were a disaster, but Labour had no good options at the time.

I agree that too many politicians don’t think beyond the next election. It feels as though they don’t want to make any improvements that will pay off in 20 years’ time in case The Other Side end up getting the credit.

Yes, Clegg actually admitted that the reason he didn't give the go ahead for more nuclear power stations was because he wouldn't get the political benefit as would be completed after he left office! What a way to run a country. I would like to see politicians be paid massively more and reduced in number then we would maybe attract much more competent people - pm of Singapore gets 10 x more than the UK pm and consequently Singapore is extremely well run, opposite of the UK

The Tories continuing their inexorable progress to the right. There are very few of the old school one nation noblesse oblige conservatives left to counter them.It's so dangerous.

The Tory Party is in death spiral that began when Cameron won a majority and announced the Brexit Referendum.

@TooBigForMyBoots Sadly, I think that this is the beginning of a new, far right resurgence. I hope I'm wrong.

Remember when David Davis was the favourite to win the Tory leadership contest back in 2005? But his speech at the Tory Party Conference didn’t go down that well, whereas David Cameron’s did…

Maybe if David Davis had had a better day, Brexit would never have happened and the UK would be in a very different situation. Perhaps it was a real Sliding Doors moment.

They are starting to fight already. The right is splitting. You have two hard right parties , Conservatives and Reform. The One Nationers have just decamped.

Sp the right now have the problem the left have had for 40 years; faction splitting.

A Conservative party with a conservative leader?! Shock horror.

The loons are out in force.

Sensible 😂

I’m team Kemi.

If only to watch Starmer try to contain her.

@MoneyNeverSleeps yeah what japes, what a woman, how we laughed. Wonderful time to see your country collapse around you after years of neglect and some just want more of the same thing. Bet you’re moaning about changes to workers rights aren’t you too ?