Kemi badenoch and Robert jenrick through to final

[Hunnymonster1]

So the new leader of the tory party will be a woman that wants to cut maternity pay who loves the culture war rubbish and Robert who painted over a cartoon in an immigration centre. Who wants us out kf the echr because who need human rights lol
The conservative party is now like the reform party them two are very much to the right of the party
So with that choice I can't see tories getting back in in 5 years time. Most people are on the centre doesn't bother me as I loath tories but we do need an opposition

She's not centrist at all! Check out her voting record.

She also committed (and admitted to) a crime - computer hacking.

This, if whoever wins sees out a year they will be doing well

I agree. I don't think any of the candidates would have lasted more than 3 years in the job. Whoever wins the leadership this time round will just be keeping the seat warm for a bit.

As for Badenoc, like @Hyperion100 said upthread, She will be a disaster for women. She'll be an even bigger disaster for the Tory Party.🤣🤣🤣

Neither of them would make it to the election in five years. I am happy to bet on that. Labour would lose the next elections and happy to bet on that too. Once Labour have done irreparable self harm a more competent potential Tory PM would be put in place.

Oh of course @since1986! I'd forgotten that Nigel Farage was the current PM and Reform the governing party.

Either Kemi or Jenrick would be far more popular than starmer - he is very unpopular with most of the public (apart from the loons that inhabit mn). He wasn't popular to start with as only 20% of adults voted for him (less than Corbyn). But more importantly Labour policies aren't popular and alot of them are downright dangerous.

I saw the announcement. The party didn't exactly sound jubilant when Badenoch and Jenrick were announced as the winners. There was very audible groaning though.🤭

If that's the reaction they got from the MPs who actually voted for them, it'll be hilarious to see what comes next.🙈

Whatever crack you are smoking i want it. His policies are not dangerous at all and he hasn't really had a chance yet to government only been 100 days . Them two are not popular that's why the tories got booted out . We don't vote for starmer qe vote for our mp unless you live in his area . Maybe in his area he got less votes then corby but still won the election. Cry your eyes out still got 5 more years

Well there is a clip of Boris with Harry Cole from sun on Internet and as it was announced live Boris was shocked you could see. They say it's gone wrong and there was those that lent votes so james could have to fight Robert but it went wrong. As james was meant to be against the other one. This means there are now 2 candidates that are both on hard right. So it's not much choice. This g for me is I hate the tories I remember james being on all the studios lying for Boris and rishi like a lapdog. Sheila fogarty from lbc was so annoyed by his blatant lying and so was I

Calm down, Angela Rayner.

The problem with both of them is that they are stained leftovers from a dysfunctional discredited party. They're both scraped from the real bottom of the barrel. I'd really like to see some fresh faces, new ideas, innovative thinking - neither of these two will reignite the party or inspire confidence. There really needs to be a clean sweep and some credible. Neither of these two stand a chance against Starmer at PMQ. The way he mauled Rishi was just an aperitif compared to what he'd do to either of them. Put simply, the Conservatives need much better quality MPs from which to select a leader, and they need a MUCH stronger one than either of these two ever will be.

The cynical part of me thinks it is very unlikely that whoever wins will still be there in 2029! Tories have a revolving door policy when it comes to leaders!

No @Hunnymonster1 in afraid you're wrong about that (as well as on politics more generally), rightly or wrongly the UK electorate very much does vote for a leader rather than their local mp and starmer was much less popular than Corbyn (or Brexit come to that). For different reasons to you I also think the tories are terrible but think Labour are even more terrible which is why wealthy people whose taxes we need are fleeing the country. I am really afraid of how the country will be after 5 years of these lunatics.

I think Kemi was stitched up by headlines that didn't reflect what she meant re maternity pay. A friend of mine worked for a charity and had 6 months full pay, 6 months half pay, was pregnant by the time she went back and got the same again. I think it's these excessive packages in some public sector jobs that she was looking at rather than reducing SMP.

I'm sure the women on FWR would love KB to get in because of the trans stuff, but she would be a total disaster for women. Go look at her voting record.

But we don't need to worry because with either of those two in power means the tories will simply fade into total irrelevance. They're like the Republican Party Lite.

I too support Kemi, she will be the best thing that could ever happen to the Tory party and will ensure their demise at the next GE... if she survives that long.

Tories still don't get why they lost so heavily at the last election.... no recognition that after 14 years, nothing works in the UK now.

I wouldn't bank on Starmer being PM next year, let alone in five.

Kemi knows what a woman is, unlike Ed Davey, and indeed Starmer.

Working for a charity isn't public sector; they're a separate sector. Public sector maternity benefits are not that great. Lots of tech firms and finance jobs offer 12 months full pay.

Oh BINGO!!!

I know that, but I'm sure their are also enhanced maternity packages in certain public sector jobs.

It's all in the book The Plot, Kemi will win.

What a terrible choice!
Honestly they tories are such fruit loops!

Well Labour have made a duff start. But the message here is that the Conservatives are breaking down like other traditional centre right parties and going hard right.

Kemi Badenoch and Robert Jenrick are not moderate people. Even Tory party members no longer are. By the time of the next election it looks like they will be chasing Reform votes, and I think Reform are just better at what they do.

The Tories chose Liz Truss. Think about that. They have their Corbyn moment right now. Wrong choice.

I can 'understand the Conservative mindset' all too well this morning as it seems they can't count to 120. Fits with the general trend of Tories over the past five years that they can only count in billions of other people's money.

I am a woman of FWR so have occasionally found myself agreeing with the odd thing that Badenoch says, and she's clearly a completely unprincipled campaigner. In general I think she and Jenrick are both toxic for the country and the Conservatives should be ashamed of themselves to be offering two such extreme options to the tiny group who will choose from them.