Ever met someone you later learned had done something really bad? **Content warning: thread contains mentions of child abuse**

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Just asking because a few months ago someone I worked with suddenly stopped coming to work... then we found out he had been found guilty of possessing child porn 😬
He hadn't been working with us for long so didn't know him that well but he just seemed like a nice, slightly boring middle aged man! I know you can't ever tell by looking at someone but it just made me think anyone I know could be doing anything behind closed doors.....

Thread titled edited by MNHQ to add a content warning

Great thread ruined by harpy's banging on about definitions of child pornography and general pornography. The first 12 posts were more than enough.

@Binglebong Thanks. I know we can't skate over abuse but that was a bit too vivid...Poor woman. And the level of hate towards women needed to do that. Hope he lives every sorry day of his life in prison and dies in there without seeing the light of day. Vile piece of work.

I'm sorry that your entertainment for the evening was sullied by people pointing out the issue with the term 'child porn.'

'great thread ruined' is frankly bizarre.

Great thread ruined has nothing to do with entertainment. She meant great thread discussing important issues derailed.

But you knew that - just wanted to get your little dig in and derail again into condemnation of the phrase "child porn" rather than the substantive crimes being described here. I wonder why?

Horrible! Was he mentally ill? Keeping a body rotting away in his car for a week suggests psychosis to me rather than the usual sociopathy/narcissism of wife killers.

Pornography is sometimes but not always created legally. As PP have said, sometimes adults (usually women, but also men) are coerced or trafficked, and become victims of abuse and crime in the making of porn.

However, it is never legal for children to be engaged in sexual acts, so therefore, it can never have been legally produced.

Therefore, images of child sexual abuse should never be referred to as "child porn" because it can never be the case that it could ever be legal.

Putting the issue of consent aside, producing porn itself isn't necessary an illegal act, whereas producing, looking at or sharing images of child sexual abuse is never legal.

The term 'child porn' normalises it almost, as the term puts it in the same category as something that could have been legally produced.

You 'wonder why' I have a revulsion for the normalisation of child sex abuse- wow.

As for derailing @Ooral did that, what use was their post other than to derail further, using misogynistic language to boot.

It needs to be challenged, like racist words of the past, posters have said that will now rethink what they say- the fact that it is repeatedly uses by numerous posters shows that it does need flagging. And you can never shame me for being horrified about the normalisation of CSA
, @Pallisers

Absolutely this. While adult pornography can also be abusive and illegal, it is not right to link CSA with the other possibility for adult pornography - consent, hip and groovy, business-minded performers who know exactly what they are doing, personal choice if you consume it - those kinds of things. So pornography has to take the hit of never being used as a term for CSA. We must remind ourselves of pornographys dark side in other ways.

It's not obvious, I have to say, or it wasn't to me, but after following this thread for a while this is my feeling.

Stop ruining the thread 🤔🤔🤔🤔

@lololulu
Calling women harpy's for using the correct terminology just further enforces your ignorance.

Important issues? Are you for real 🤣

An important issue is not to call indecent images of children child porn

A maths teacher at my school was convicted of having a sexual relationship with two pupils shortly after I left the school. His victims were 16 and 17 and he was in his 30s but apparently didn’t think he did anything wrong.

I met my brother’s friend when I was a teenager and they were boys (maybe 11-12?) and he went on as an adult to carry out a horrific murder of a young woman he had just met. I honestly thought when I met him he was a little strange as he was very focused on talking to me rather than playing with his friends but I would never have suspected he would be capable of that when he grew up.

Similar to yours OP, a colleague of DH's who disappeared then it came out he'd been caught with indecent images of children. I only briefly met him a few times and would have said he was a little strange but never got particularly bad vibes from him. DH actually Googled him a little while ago (quite an uncommon name) and up popped a few more articles about arrests and convictions - one for fraud and I can't remember the other...but clearly a dodgy character all around!

My ltp had a new guy start at work and we met up with him for a few drinks a couple of occasions. I tried setting him up with one of my friends.
Turns out he was a rapist. 2 different women, sodomy as well.
He seemed so lovely, sexy af, fun.
We couldn’t believe when we found the newspaper archives.

And my cousin killed his girlfriend back in the 80s. They had a volatile relationship due to alcoholism. He did 25 years in prison and on his first day in there he was put in with a man who basically sorted him right out and he’s been sober ever since. Everyday feels remorse for what he’s done. He also goes into prisons taking meetings with the inmates regarding alcohol abuse.

The problem with that is it relies on defining porn as inherently legal and inherently non-abusive, which it is not. Something that is often not legal and often abusive should not be defined that way. It's a form of whitewashing IMO.
Porn just means sexual images. It doesn't imply anything about the legality of those images. Some people make a distinction between pornography and erotica, saying that erotica is only a non-abusive form of sexual images and everything else is porn.

I just googled and it was his wife. He doesn't look like someone anyone would fancy tbh.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1795846.stm

Never even heard of that word.

A harpy is a mythological creature with the body of a bird and the head of a woman.
Commonly a derogatry term for an pleasant woman.

Hope not! Although I live in UK, I'm from a small, very safe country where this things doesn't happen very often. I pray it will stay that way!

my Mum always says throw a stone down your road and you are likely to hit a peadophile. They are everywhere and you will have met them. If 1 in 8 adults report some kind of sexual abuse as children (old stats) think how many peadophiles are out there. Be vigilant.
I worked with John Taylor. He killed Leanne Tiernon. A vile sadistic bastard who the police believe has killed many many young women. He has a full life tariff. I was 17 at the time and we all thought he was just a normal bloke, he used to make us tea when he came back from his parcel run and he would bring cakes. You honestly never can tell.

Yep, they are like rats

As in you are never too far away from one

What I meant is I didn't use it.

If you work in any of our legal services you will know how prevalent child abuse is. What shocks is the number of ‘colleagues’ who are eventually investigated and charged. I wonder how many are initially fascinated then corrupted by their proximity to evidential matter , viewing it regularly etc. Horrified me when the penny dropped . I left.

Do you mean police or lawyers or both?

Both - and some …