Ever met someone you later learned had done something really bad? **Content warning: thread contains mentions of child abuse**

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Just asking because a few months ago someone I worked with suddenly stopped coming to work... then we found out he had been found guilty of possessing child porn 😬
He hadn't been working with us for long so didn't know him that well but he just seemed like a nice, slightly boring middle aged man! I know you can't ever tell by looking at someone but it just made me think anyone I know could be doing anything behind closed doors.....

Thread titled edited by MNHQ to add a content warning

Scotland has a different legal system and many different laws to the rest of the UK.

Anyway, the initial post that started this tangent made an assumption that all child sex offenders aren't allowed in the vicinity of children, which isn't true. I didn't mean to derail the thread.

I think you have a not proven as well as the usual guilty, not guilty don't you? Or have I got that wrong

Yeah we do, although I can't think of an accused for a sexual offence who's been found not proven. I'm sure it happens, it's just not common.

Wow.

Thanks for the reply!

2 pedophiles (one living in a property I managed after conviction and one did a vanishing act because was arrested and convicted). One convicted drug dealer. Brothel (had to allow access for the raid after I uncovered it). Someone who worked in the industry defrauded clients and ran overseas with thousands in stolen tenant deposits and, most recently, SS form tutor rumoured to be communicating with underage boys inappropriately and a mortgage advisor who was convicted of killing his wife…. Many of these very ordinary people to meet that you’d never suspect.

What I hate about this thread is how common crimes against children seem…

My mum used to be a cleaner for an elderly chap and often took me or my sisters with her as he was so nice he had chickens he'd show us, make us chocolate spread sandwiches.. a year or so after my mum stopped cleaning for him he went to prison for possession of child abuse images and had SA the neighbours young child.
To think we used to be alone with him freaks me out, I was only about 6/7 so my memories are vague about it.

Also my Nan's neighbour was a really friendly man and one day lured me and my sister (7 and 9 at the time) to go and play on his computer as we were bored at Nan's. She let us go, and he SA us. Put his hands down our jeans both front and back and was nibbling our ears and sniffing our hair etc. Would never have thought it, he was just your usual friendly old man.

It's really unsettling really to think who walks almong us.

I forgot to add my 'nan' made us swear we'd never tell our parents as he's just being friendly. We told her everything.

My own nan covered this up. I told my parents when I was 17.

Husband managed a guy who murdered his wife and buried her under the house. This was in Australia. Met him at the work Xmas party. Lovely guy, but apparently, he couldn't cope when his marriage broke down. Currently serving life.

@paradisecityx I’m so sorry this happened to you. It was awful what that man did to you. I mean this kindly, you might want to think about editing your post as you put in some information that could be triggering for people about what happened to you. Please know I am not trying to make you feel guilty for posting, that is not my intention at all. I hope you are in a good place now, living a happy life and that worthless evil man met his comeuppance somehow.

Exactly
She lied thats all.
Of course it was wrong and may have meant Huntley wasn't arrested as quickly as he could have been but she wasn't there and couldn't have stopped him if she had wanted to.
Perhaps she was afraid of Huntley or perhaps she knew what he was like and deliberately covered for him but she is in no way responsible for the deaths of those 2 poor girls. Its pure misogyny, woman are responsible for mens actions

I can't help but wonder if she'd have got such a long prison sentence if a) the murder hadn't been so publicly played out and b) her and Huntley (him mainly) weren't so much in the media "helping".

There is evidence woman do better with rehabilitation in the community rather than prison. They are looking at bringing this into our justice system.

I think where we cases like Carr who has been a victim of coercive control that rehabilitation would be better long term.

There are obviously in the flip side some very clear cases where woman should be incarcerated such as West and Hindley.

locals do know though and MC had a distinctive appearance. The word goes around. Karen Matthews lives in the town my BF lives and they all know. We were once in A pub and she was there with a group of female friends. everyone clocked her. what was slightly disturbing is that she was very clearly the Queen of the group and the others were essentially courtiers, buying in the drinks and all that. It was an uncomfortable dynamic to witness.

Thank You. They had ( what was regarded at the time) as all the relevant pieces of information.
I do wonder if all these checks make a scrap of difference.

Yes I understand it's plenty... I came across a site on FB some years back, who are catching those bastards in the Internet in the UK. Very successfully! All volunteerily, just to keep children safe. Bless them!

www.independent.co.uk/news/life-for-men-who-abducted-and-murdered-accountant-1589170.html

This was the awful case I was talking about.

I'd been 13 and a lifeguard cadet with him the previous summer. Still haunts me to this day. He'd seemed such a charming man as a 20yo does to a 13yo.

I'll never forget walking through Fareham not long after and seeing his face on a huge wanted sandwich board (pre internet smart phone days) - for murder. That turned out to be worse than that.

Jeeeeeesus. That's absolutely horrendous.

That is a devastating story, made me want to cry for the man, his 9 year old and the rest of the family. Horrific. If only someone had seen and been able to intervene.

I'm sorry I didn't even think.
I don't know how to edit but MN more than welcome to remove it.
I hope he died a painful death for doing that to us. X

@paradisecityx I hope he did too! No need to apologise. I’ve reported the posts for you and MN will do their thing I should think. Take care x

We've got to hope they do. Surely some dangerous people must be deterred from applying for jobs and voluntary positions because they know what the DBS check would show.

Edited because I now see you were talking specifically about Huntley - I remember a lot of the media coverage at the time reporting that although there were a lot of rumours about Huntley back in his home town, and I think there had been allegations of sexual assault which hadn't led to prosecution, none of that would have gone onto the police computer so would never have shown up on the CRB check. I think the change to the current DBS system is supposed to pick up that sort of stuff as well as actual convictions, certainly for an enhanced check.

God help this world. We are ruining everything. More developed and advanced we are, biggest monsters we're becoming.

And she helped Huntley thoroughly clean the house. She didn't murder them, no, but she knew he had!

How horrible! I am sorry.

He didn't only kill prostitutes.

Shocking how so many of these comments mention child abuse 😢 both sickening and sad

Thank you, Havingaswim, that sounds like it could be helpful. Ofc only you know if it would be or not.
Yes, it does help that my mum understands what happened. Sometimes it felt like the 2 of us were living in some weird alternate world that only we could understand, but we weren't alone in it.