Thread 9 Starmer : Return to Westminster

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Was it Serendipity who mentioned Magna Carta?

https://x.com/BestForBritain/status/1844686340849631533?t=q4dI7NL1aotRK5OleutITg&s=19

Robert Jenrick reckons he can substitute bits of the Good Friday Agreements - an international multilateral peace treaty - for other bits none of the other parties signed off, because - WAIT FOR IT - "we are the country of habeas corpus and Magna Carta".

It was, but in the context of the whinging school fees posters.

Jenricks problem, when he is leader, is to understand the concepts of executive, legislature and judiciar6y. Although my advice would be not to waste time on that as he won't be leader long enough for it to matter.

FFS. Determined not to address the actual issues once again. They live in La-La land.
The GFA entitles the parties to refer issues to Strasbourg - unless he is offering the same right, we are in breach. Why would other parties agree to reduce their own rights?
Major and Blair really didn't see this iteration of dumb coming our way.

For now, it's an irrelevance. The Tories have as much chance of forming the next government as they do of hopping to the arctic whistling "Rule Britannia".

Agreed but we will be treated to a couple of thousand regurgitated Op Eds for the next 5 years splattering any useful discussion.

Less space to diss Labour then. Sounds like a plan.

The reason so much got done 1997-2001 was because the media had to tell us all about the Tory party.

Can you just unilaterally substitute bits of an international treaty?

Well it would make signing one pretty pointless 😂

I think we had this argument during Boris Johnsons time; and the answer was “no” by nearly everyone except him and Suella Braverman.

They will probably mumble something about a limited and specific way

He says any member of his Shadow Cabinet must be on board with immediate withdrawal from the ECHR. That will be interesting.

Shouldn’t be too hard. Pretty much only got total lunatics left now anyway.

Well, that is kind of fascinating - Jenrick is standing on a platform of simultaneously renegotiating the UK-EU trading agreement and the Belfast Agreement, and amending all legislation that references the ECHR. Whilst the EU and Ireland take their cases to the ECHR in our absence.
Because we dont have enough issues to really worry about.

If that isnt a recipe for political and economic success I just don't know what is.

I was reminded recently that neither Russia or Belarus withdrew from the ECHR, they were kicked out.

It's not just that other parties didn't sign them off. We had a referendum on the GFA, if he changes it, it's not what we voted for.

Apparently at WH Smith station bookshop at Milton Keynes Central...

Someone has an excellent sense of humour! 😂

Very funny!

I don’t know if anyone saw the mock up for “Unleashed” but it was quite conspicuously Johnson’s head grafted onto a torso that was not his… in a boxing pose.

Given he is quite large this was apparently one incredulity that even the British public wouldn’t accept so they went with the picture above

I see that DP World (P&O) weren't happy with the new worker's rights and pulled some of their investment

Can’t say how I know but P&O have never been exemplary supporters of employees. As in, decades.

They didn't like Labour's criricism on fire and rehire apparently .......

No, they wouldn’t. Can’t work employees into the ground and blithely ignore health implications…..not interested, Block Block Block.

P&O

as in Pacific and Orient ?

Says it all really.

Like Shell? Actually founded on finding shells. In the days when that was like, an innocent thing. Rapacious company with roots in colonialism shock.

🚨 NEW: Labour are reinstating the School Staff Negotiating Body

In 2010, the Tories scrapped it. In our first hundred days, we are legislating to bring it back. We value the vital role support staff play in education, driving high & rising standards

x.com/bphillipsonmp/status/1844770930595106919?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

This has to be a good thing doesn't it? I'm so grateful to my kids teachers but I've also noticed all the school staff that have helped my kids along the way. Largely women.

But VAT...........