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End of my rope with bedtime for DDs 11 and 14

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BadBedtimeCrew · 27/09/2024 21:25

I really value sleep and think it is so important that they go to bed at a decent hour, but somehow bedtime with my 2 daughters now takes longer than it did when they were little. We need a reset and I’m interested to know how it works for other people.

I’ll go up with the 11 year old at about 7:30. We’ll sometimes listen to a podcast while doing some colouring, or we’ll both sit quietly reading. It’s lights out at 8:00. Ideally then I’ll go downstairs for a bit, but she will often appear several times wanting to be put back to bed saying she can’t sleep. For reference, DH thinks lights out at anything past 7:30 is too late, and when I’m not around, DD11 does go to bed without drama at 7:30 although she says that she lies awake for ages.

DD14 is quite good at taking herself up to bed but also likes me to sit with her reading for a while, often about 8:15 to 8:45. She turns her light out when she’s tired, but it’s never past 9:00. It has been as early as 7:30 recently - knackered from start of school year shenanigans. The 11 yo will often disrupt this reading time asking to be put back to bed, and it’s not unusual for me to still be dealing with the 11 yo even after the 14 yo has turned her light out.

The fannying around with DD11 invariably eats into the time with DD14. Worse, they keep playing off against each other about the amount of time i spend with each of them at bedtime even if that time is spent arguing, or consoling an upset, hormonal teenager. Three nights this week it’s descended into arguments. Not great for winding down and drifting off.

i think they just need to put themselves to bed but I suppose I also have a bit of sadness about not spending this time with them, which is daft, as II honestly feel that spending this time with each of them is creating the problem.

So what do you do with your 11 and 14 yo DCs for bedtime?

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LBFseBrom · 29/09/2024 03:10

BogRollBOGOF: your post made me smile. My mum was like yours, I can remember lying in bed for hours and hearing her and my dad come upstairs just after 11pm. There was no point in me having gone to bed early.

I didn't make mine go to bed, I waited until sleep hit. That's far more sensible than a fixed routine and children vary so much.

BeCoolDenimScroller · 29/09/2024 07:37

As others have said, it seems really early for those ages, and the 11 yr old is probably not settling because it’s too early. Mine are similar age, it is a bit sad when they grow out of being’ put’ to bed but you settle into a new routine, we chat over dinner between 7 and 8, then all watch a series on tv together for a bit, then they go upstairs and I kiss them goodnight while they’re reading in bed. They turn their lights out when ready.

BadBedtimeCrew · 29/09/2024 08:57

I hesitated to return to this because some of the replies seemed unnecessarily vitriolic. Abusive, FFS? I think that perhaps there has also been some misunderstanding regarding the 7:30 bedtime - that was never for the 14yo. Furthermore, sleeping 9-7 as she does, is within the guidelines for her age. I recognise that the routine around her bedtime is problematic but it was not imposed by me or DH, she started asking me to sit with her while she was reading and we seem to have got into this habit.

DH and I had a good chat yesterday and we agreed that none of it was any good. We’re going to have a family meeting later today. my plan is to say that 14 yo can put herself to bed when she likes (although I expect she’ll stick to 9, maybe 9:30)and 11 yo can put herself to bed with lights out at 8:30. Some people might still think that’s too early but frankly I don’t care. I’ve been quite surprised by the strength of feeling of some of the responses, especially those who have younger children with much later bedtimes which I think is (a) irrelevant in this context and (b) too late for small children. However I have taken on board the helpful comments and looking forward to enjoying evenings as a family.

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BurbageBrook · 29/09/2024 09:00

OP good you've taken on board some criticism but please start saying 'go to bed' not 'put themselves to bed' as that phrasing still sounds incredibly toddler-ish!

LittleBearPad · 29/09/2024 09:04

BadBedtimeCrew · 29/09/2024 08:57

I hesitated to return to this because some of the replies seemed unnecessarily vitriolic. Abusive, FFS? I think that perhaps there has also been some misunderstanding regarding the 7:30 bedtime - that was never for the 14yo. Furthermore, sleeping 9-7 as she does, is within the guidelines for her age. I recognise that the routine around her bedtime is problematic but it was not imposed by me or DH, she started asking me to sit with her while she was reading and we seem to have got into this habit.

DH and I had a good chat yesterday and we agreed that none of it was any good. We’re going to have a family meeting later today. my plan is to say that 14 yo can put herself to bed when she likes (although I expect she’ll stick to 9, maybe 9:30)and 11 yo can put herself to bed with lights out at 8:30. Some people might still think that’s too early but frankly I don’t care. I’ve been quite surprised by the strength of feeling of some of the responses, especially those who have younger children with much later bedtimes which I think is (a) irrelevant in this context and (b) too late for small children. However I have taken on board the helpful comments and looking forward to enjoying evenings as a family.

I think that perhaps there has also been some misunderstanding regarding the 7:30 bedtime - that was never for the 14yo.

It was ludicrous for the 11 year old so is 8.30 but at least it’s better

3luckystars · 29/09/2024 09:08

That’s good, but what made you so anxious about sleep (being the most important thing) if you don’t mind me asking?

mm81736 · 29/09/2024 09:43

What time do they need to leave the house for school?

Drfosters · 29/09/2024 09:51

it isn’t a criticism but I am genuinely curious how everything gets done before 8.30. School commute, dinner, extra curricular on some nights possibly, an hour at least of homework, half and hour of school reading , family chats, dinner, wind down, bath and bed. My children didn’t even get home until 5 from school but if there was after school sport it could be 6-6.30.

sunsetsandboardwalks · 29/09/2024 09:54

8.30 for an 11 year old is still very early - no wonder she doesn't want to go to bed.

Why are you so keen to stick to such an early bedtime? Confused

NewGreenDuck · 29/09/2024 09:56

On another note, what is going to happen when your children start going out/dating? I mean most teens start to do one or the other, or both? How are you going to cope with bedtimes then? Their dad wanting his own space? Have you thought about that?
I mean I was going to concerts at 12/13 at weekends. I wasn't getting home till midnight.

Mylovelygreendress · 29/09/2024 10:14

“However I have taken on board the helpful comments and looking forward to enjoying evenings as a family.”

Great that you have listened to constructive criticism however the reality is that you won’t really have evenings as a family if your 11 year old has to have lights out by 8.30. By the time homework and evening meal are over there won’t be much time .
Will the ( still early in my opinion) bedtime apply at weekends ? I have a 14 year old DGC and she is often at friends’ houses until much later at weekends.

Augustus40 · 29/09/2024 10:23

By the time ds was 13 I let him take himself to bed on his own. I would go to sleep by ten pm but he has never needed lots of sleep.

yipyipyipp · 29/09/2024 10:46

Mylovelygreendress · 29/09/2024 10:14

“However I have taken on board the helpful comments and looking forward to enjoying evenings as a family.”

Great that you have listened to constructive criticism however the reality is that you won’t really have evenings as a family if your 11 year old has to have lights out by 8.30. By the time homework and evening meal are over there won’t be much time .
Will the ( still early in my opinion) bedtime apply at weekends ? I have a 14 year old DGC and she is often at friends’ houses until much later at weekends.

Unfortunately it doesn't sound like the girls have many friends

Singleandproud · 29/09/2024 11:26

I think you may find giving the 14 year old carte blanche from being quite restricted an issue. For most people bedtimes and the bedtime routine progresses naturally.

Instead of dictating what you think they should do, ask them first what time they think is appropriate and how they would like their evenings to look - you'll be surprised at how sensible their answers can be.talk about things you aren't ok with like screen usage but appreciate the importance of keeping in touch with friends so perhaps they can have their phones until X time when they then do a different activity.

My DD does put herself to bed and hasnt had a specific bedtime since the start of secondary sometimes she goes early, sometimes she goes later but generally she is very sensible and it'll be somewhere between 8:30-10:30 depending on how she feels and the day shes had, and I do the same I might not sleep at 8:30 but if I've had a busy day or feeling under the weather will head to bed with a book and she shuts down the living room / turns lights out etc.

She doesn't have the 'bath, book and bed' routine from being a tot but she'll shower, do some basic skin care, we might have a chat or play a card game before leaving her to it. Having a shared book to read is nice, all three of you can take it in turns and it is still important to build vocabulary and reading skills after they can read well themselves. Or all get the same book from the library and make a book club and you can chat about whats happened in it once a week etc. Terry Pratchett Disc world would be a great series to start, I particularly like the Witches series and the Wyrd Sisters and they can be ready independently of the others.

Ozgirl75 · 29/09/2024 11:53

Sleep seems to be one of those things that, if it works for them, they assume it will work for everyone. You have to figure out your own kids sleep needs and get them to help figure that out too. We figured out that my boys need 8-9 hours sleep so they need to be laying down for 9.30 as they’re normally up at 6, and I have to wake them at that time.
At the weekends they, can go at 10, and wake naturally around 7. Your girls need to figure out, are they tired in the day, are they finding it hard to wake, or hard to fall asleep. It’s good to figure that out. For example on a perfect day I would go to bed at 11 and wake at 7, but unfortunately I have to be up at 5.45 so I need to be laying down by 10.30 at the latest, otherwise I’m tired all day. Ideally it would be 10 but then my evening is too short!

Fastback · 29/09/2024 12:44

Your 11-year-old daughter has the same bedtime as my four-year-old son.

DecafDodger · 29/09/2024 13:19

if you had lights out at 8 before and your 11yo was still appearing several times complaining she's not sleepy, then it really doesn't sound like she would need to go to bed as early as 8.30 either.

Let them try it out - my 11yo can go to bed whenever he wants, but the deal is that I do not need to drag him out of bed - he needs to make sure he is up, dressed, breakfast done and lunchbox packed. If he stays up too late and is too tired in the morning, he will learn this was not a good decision.

Flyhigher · 29/09/2024 14:19

I understand the current timings work for OP so she's rested too by the morning.
Does seem hard for an 11 year old. Mine was up later. Till 9.
Can you watch a series together at 8.30. Then bed. And reading. No WiFi?

DecafDodger · 29/09/2024 14:31

she started asking me to sit with her while she was reading and we seem to have got into this habit.

How about you discuss and see if she would agree to a later bedtime, and that you spend time together as a family before. But then she goes to bed herself. This would give you more family time and less time 'doing bedtime' for an almost teenager.

loropianalover · 29/09/2024 15:03

Honestly OP good for you for taking opinions on board. A lot of people start threads looking for advice and just unwatch/abandon them when there are a lot of people disagreeing.

I hope the new bedtime routine works. It will surely give you a lot more free time not having to sit with them! Let them find their own routine, there will be some tired/cranky mornings but it will all balance out.

Oqqq · 29/09/2024 18:58

For goodness sake, you can't win OP. Some people on here are determined to pick holes, whatever you do. Your reply was very measured, and I'm glad to see you call out the snarky meanness for what it was. I hope this new plan works for you and your family - it sounds like you have enough of a good head on your shoulders to change it again if it doesn't.

Viewfrommyhouse · 29/09/2024 21:20

I’ve been quite surprised by the strength of feeling of some of the responses, especially those who have younger children with much later bedtimes which I think is (a) irrelevant in this context and (b) too late for small children.

Lol, because you've got it all sorted? Confused

Loveydoveyduck · 27/05/2025 12:42

It’s your personal choice because they’re your children, I do think those Bed times are too early.

My 4 year old goes bed at 7:30

7 year old is 8:15.

9 year old is 9. ( has medicine around 8:30)

13 year old is 10:30.

All children are up at 6:30 am.

curlycurlymoo · 30/05/2025 21:31

My four year old goes at 8! My 11 year old falls asleep at about 10

yipyipyipp · 30/05/2025 23:43

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