Thread 8 Starmer : Cat fur on new clothes

[DuncinToffee]

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Heard the other day how disgusting it was "war veterans were going to be left to freeze to death".

I was saying - 40 years ago - WW2 would cast a shadow centuries long. Another time of being ignored ....

I have run here for safety and locked the doors in a " going on a bear hunt " kind of way! It is absolute madness on social media at present.
I know X attracts some odd opinions but the posts re KS and being gone by next week and a super injunction and his private life are just something else. that ghastly Isobel oakshitt is saying it is an open secret re his family life. Didn't look too closely into JoHnsons did she!
I can't recall if I mentioned but there are posts on my town facebook page smearing re CPS and Al Fayed and Jimmy Seville. When I challenged with a full fact link I got told I was a muggle as UK column had outed Full fact. I bowed out at that point.

Must say I agree with a lot of this from Theresa May -

"We also lost because we spent too long tacking to the right in order to appease potential Reform voters and hold on to the red wall seats and forgot that we are not a right-wing party but a centre-right party."

"Leadership is not about appeasing the majority. Too much of the leadership contest so far has seen candidates attempting to mould themselves and their views to what they think is the view of the majority of party members who will be voting. The role of the leader is to do the right thing regardless."

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/theresa-may-interview-tory-leader-race-xpc5qgxjn

I dont suppose anyone at CCHQ is listening but they should.

Much like the GOP - possibly for the same base reasons - the Tory party is toast. And it did it to itself. It was absolutely and utterly scammed by it's own greed and venality and is experiencing the very real payback it tried to visit on the poor, the ill and the vulnerable when it had the power to do so.

A 4 year could have seen the trojan horse that was Brexit.

The harder right it tacks, the more it will doom itself. Suits me. A parable for our times.

I’m very happy for them not to listen. The more they make themselves unelectable the happier I’ll be. Read a piece about Badenoch this morning who doesn’t appear to have any policies at all.

Weren't you warned to hold onto nurse for fear of finding something worse 😀

Even the sympathetic press the Tories get is a slow acting poison (again, they are too fucking stupid to think). When you disproportionately dominate the headlines as they do, it eventually leads the public to wonder why they are so useless. Again, echoing the US, where quite a few MAGA morons genuinely think Trump is still president.

This is the point in the natural cycle of things where a really big war would reset the needle to the right - from Napoleon onwards.

Anyone remember a Star Trek:TOS episode where 2 planets - who both had unimaginable weapons - had agreed to kill off their own citizens in response to a computer "attack" from the other planet, rather than wage real war ?

An awful lot of science fiction is really bolting whizzy tech over history.

I heard Philip Hammond on Any Questions on R4 this lunchtime and was reminded how reasonable he is compared to the current Tories.

I’m not on X so have missed the nonsense about Starmer and his super injunction.

I do wonder if the donations of clothes being classed as office expenses on declarations is something that all parties do and a blind eye has been turned until now. It doesn’t make it right though.

Meanwhile, here's a clip from the Reform conference (as a commentator noted WTF is it with the exaggerated manspreading) where Reform signal a further shift to the right with "mass deportations" looking likely to become a manifesto pledge, making them even less electable and challenging the Tories to come up with an even more batshit response.

Now we know why Farage has sold his shares. They won't be worth much now.

Rosie Duffield quits as a Labour MP - lashing out at "staggering hypocrisy" of accepting gifts and clothes while scrapping winter fuel payments, Times

and

Tories secretly plotted £30million 'sweeteners' to send 200 volunteers to Rwanda

https://x.com/DaveBurke12/status/1840015450844926326

How about the hypocrisy of winning a seat by standing for a party and manifesto and then deciding you don't like it ?

(If she resigns from the commons to allow a by-election, I apologise in advance).

Rosie Duffield resigned the whip.

Oops sorry saw it had already been posted by Duncin

To.me, it looks like she was waiting for something to resign on. And to do damage. It may be unfair, but I know nothing on her political stances other than the obvious, which is a criss party issue. I don't know whether she is to the left , right or centre of Labour.

I suspect Labour might lose that by election...

I’m surprised it took her so long. It was a mystery to me for a long time why she stayed in a party that she claimed treated her so badly.

I applaud Rosie Duffield for not being bullied out of the LP and waiting until she had a reason she could cite.

If she stands down as an MP.

Otherwise there's always the Lee Anderson approach.

I applaud and respect people standing up for their values. However, in parliamentary elections, most candidates are elected because they stand for party and a manifesto. To do so, and then suddenly say "oops, my bad" leaves a sour taste. One might advance an argument that it's similar to selling under false pretences.

There’s something very odd about this. She cites the two child benefit cap as one of her reasons but she obviously didn’t vote to get rid of it or she’d have lost the whip. The treatment of Diane Abbott is another reason she gives - so why not resign during her lengthy suspension? This doesn’t feel right somehow.

Looks like she will be sitting as an Independent

I think the background targeting of her (for reasons we understandably don’t discuss on these threads) meant that if she had a point of principle before, it wasn’t an opportune moment for her to resign.
I’m a bit shit at tiptoeing around this subject so…..<handwave> you get the gist

I'm glad to see the back of her if I'm honest. She appears to be a complete PITA and I'm fed up of the "but poor Rosie Duffield" rubbish.

I hope she is squeaky clean when it comes to gifts and donations.

I don't really know much about her but I don't think she ever liked Starmer

I disagree @CassieMaddox but <fistbump> on these threads that’s absolutely fine and long might that last.

So deceived her constituents then ..

Sorry, but I get quite annoyed with MPs who stand on a platform to get elected and then jump ship. It's fundamentally dishonest.

Oh I think we probably agree with a lot more than you think, and to be fair it's probably not down to her, but I'm 100% bored of right wingers using her as some kind of martyr to their cause.

Just been looking at the Starmer stuff on Twitter. Absolutely disgusting in my opinion. The knives are really out for him on there.

She was more than happy to take labour money to get elected.