Why does everyone love the queen, when she paid off Andrew’s victims?

[Lovefromjuliaxo]

Just on the back of Huw Edwards sentencing, I remember he was the one to announce the passing of the queen. Cue everyone crying, saying how wonderful she was etc. But I can’t get on board with respecting a woman who basically paid to keep her son out of prison. Why does everyone still adore her? And why did Andrew’s victim take the money instead of getting him punished, even if it was just a suspended like Edwards?

**edited for spelling

The difference is, Maxwell was found guilty in a court of law and she ruined the lives of many young women!! Andrew would have been tried too had they had to evidence to proceed!

Look at the elected Heads of State across the world and come back and tell me that's a good idea!!

I didn't love the Queen.

It may well have been an historic time, but I didn't watch one piece of TV footage about her death or her funeral.

Well you are in a minority! Our late Queen was amazing and faultless in how she reacted to the public.

You are not typical!

We would have a ceremonial head of state. Most of whom are pretty harmless. Much if the issue with the RF is the way other people react to them. The fawning, the hysteria over republicanism, the non scrutiny, the allowing them to get away with things like having exemptions written into legislation for them, etc. This should not be allowed and is not allowed even in other countries with constitutional monarchies. If we had a sensible, far smaller, less dererential relationship with the Monarchy the whole thing eould be far healthier.

Blimey. I didn't love the Queen. Or any of the Royals. Whenever it's forced upon the nation, I like to play Pulp and dance badly around the kitchen in my own working class protest.

I'm gobsmacked at the ongoing defence of Andrew and the disbelief of anything Virginia Guiffre says. She brought a civil case against Andrew. She won. To dismiss her lived experience is awful. Yes, she got some facts wrong, she was 17 FFS and it was many years ago. She had been groomed and coerced by two powerful people.

Please go and read some of the victim statements and court papers, and then come back. If Maxwell ruined so many girls lives, how come that stupid phrase recollections may vary applies to VG and she is excluded from what JE and Maxwell did? She was making it all up was she, shame about the picture of her and Andrew! Talk about victim blaming of the worst sort. My post at 10.38 on 19Sept is so accurate.

The Queen really is not faultless in all of this, she enabled her awful son in his behaviour over decades. I don't call that 'amazing'.
Andrew would not have been tried given he spent months hiding behind the queen's skirts and dodging having papers served running from one royal estate to another.

Well the poster is with the 46% who don’t. It is a minority, yes, but a fairly hefty one.

Some of the comments on this thread regarding Virginia in particular actually make me feel quite sick; obviously Me Too didn’t have any impact at all. Anyone who isn’t blinkered knows fine well that Andrew would never have been subjected to criminal proceedings, particularly while the Queen was alive. Fortunately, the RF’s popularity has been in steady decline for years and is in sharper decline now. I really hope that within my lifetime we can finally do away with them.

Blimey, amazing and faultless?!

I'm happy to be in the large minority who thinks that's a bunch of shite, and that she literally had legislation changed so she could secretly hoard millions for her family.

Dai Davies says that QE2 knew about al Fayed's vile reputation as well, at the time when Diana was holidaying with the al Fayed family (once in St Tropez with William and Harry - in Spare Harry described it as 'heaven').

Personally, I do think she was a victim.

But are you aware that other victims of Jeffrey Epstein accused Virginia Roberts of recruiting and trafficking them in much the same way as Ghislaine Maxwell did to Virginia?

Do you feel the same about the victims accusing Virginia as you do about Virginia?

I think that this shows that the whole grubby situation is not at all clear cut.

@BustingBaoBun did Virginia G win the case against Prince Andrew or was it settled out of court?

But are you aware that other victims of Jeffrey Epstein accused Virginia Roberts of recruiting and trafficking them in much the same way as Ghislaine Maxwell did to Virginia?
It was a pyramid scheme. Normal in trafficking scenarios. Certain victims are paid more to recruit others. It is more complex than you are intimating. They were all victims

@Teddleshon
Andrew caved and paid out. To someone he supposedly hadn't met. Odd that

Yes I am aware and it wouldn’t surprise me if it was true as victims often end up being recruited themselves. To answer your question, no, I don’t think she’s culpable, I think when you have been trafficked you do what you can to survive and you’re hardly in a healthy mental space to begin with. I think the ‘original’ abusers and the men who abused them are culpable.

He told the Queen's adviser not the Queen herself. We will never know what conversations were had and with whom so it's all just speculation. Maybe the Queen spoke to Diana or maybe she didn't, we don't know.

Goodness knows, but this is the Sky report:

"I was aware that [al Fayed] had tried very hard to ingratiate himself with the Royal Family and obviously knowing, as I did, the reputation he was alleged [to have] then, I was concerned, and I took the opportunity to inform the Royal Family." Mr Davies says he was told: "Her Majesty is aware."

[Not my emphasis ^^]

Well I really hope that we don't, either in my lifetime or that of my children,

It's your prerogative to think it's a "bunch of shite" - how eloquently expressed! - but whether you like it or not, the Queen was a loyal public servant for over 70 years and literally died a couple of days after fulfilling her last public engagement.

I don't care about "secretly hoarding millions" tbh. None of it was ever coming my way anyway!

She didn't win. She settled, for a huge sum of money.

He also settled. And he had a huge amount of money his disposal, thanks to his ever loving mummy. He could have defended himself instead he could only slut shame her, something he was forced to apologise for.

He settled because he lied, runner. No one pays millions to someone they’ve never met. You must have come down with the last rain if you believe him.

Used to be when this kind of forelock tugging was reserved for the royal sub-forum.
17- year- old groomed by the richest men on earth being blamed for settling.

He could have defended himself instead he could only slut shame her, something he was forced to apologise for

^^ This

Yes, and he actually used the words 'slutty girls'.

These were girls as young as 12, vulnerable girls who had been homeless, no parental support, poor, abuse victims....
Andrew is despicable
He quickly had to backtrack but that shows what he actually thinks

@Runnerinthenight you're ok with one - ONE - family in this nation being allowed to siphon off millions from the collective pot??

The sycophancy absolutely astounds.