Why does everyone love the queen, when she paid off Andrew’s victims?

[Lovefromjuliaxo]

Just on the back of Huw Edwards sentencing, I remember he was the one to announce the passing of the queen. Cue everyone crying, saying how wonderful she was etc. But I can’t get on board with respecting a woman who basically paid to keep her son out of prison. Why does everyone still adore her? And why did Andrew’s victim take the money instead of getting him punished, even if it was just a suspended like Edwards?

**edited for spelling

Ofg it happened in a British jurisdiction! That's the law that applies. Jesus!

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Yeah, after your intelligent input, sure!!

Maybe come back when you have something of interest to actually say.

Nothing intelligent or interesting about supporting a random rich family.

I maybe misunderstanding your post, and i dont know what you define as an era, but the time period between Bill Wyman and Prince Andrew is different.

Bill Wyman had a relationship with 13 year old, Mandy Smith in 1983.
Prince Andrew had sex with 17 year old, Virginia Giuffre, in 2001.

If I ruled the world, I very much would hold Bill Wyman criminally responsible for what he did to Mandy Smith. He is still alive and it was illegal in 1980s to have a relationship with a 13 year old.

In my opinion, we can judge the past to the standards of today. Because it was very much against standards in 1983 and also very much against standards in 2001.

As for sleazy men not facing consequences, well that happens today.
We still have a problem with holding men criminally accountable for thier actions. You only have to look at the statistic of VAWG.
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

While the time period may vary, I don't believe attitudes had changed that much. I was alive at the time of both and remember.

The question is, why wasn't Bill Wyman charged? Was it because Mandy Smith made no complaint? I don't remember that bit.

And you have nothing intelligent or interesting to add.

Stop replying to me then 😂 weird behaviour

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I often wonder if the civil case had been taken after QE's death, would King Charles have settled the claim on Andrew's behalf?

OK, QE was his mother, but I wonder if, in the interests of the "Firm" Charles would have paid up, or let PA loose.

QE was not someone I gave much thought to, so I neither liked nor disliked her. Indifferent probably.

The posters that usually post in the RF topic echo chamber really don't like it or cope well when they see a wider opinion of the Royals.

The Queen stayed married to a rude and racist man and supported her nonce son. Andrew is a disgusting entitled man, yet the sycophants still defend or say 'we don't know what happened' and get really annoyed that a lot of posters outside the Royal family board have a negative opinion of the Royals.

It's funny how when it comes to Philips racism and Andrews perverted behaviour, they're willing to justify it or say 'we don't know', but when it comes to Meghan and Harry, they're happy to make shit up, speculate, listen to random negative YouTube channels etc because it backs up their opinions and 'proves' they're bad. So predictable.

You're just not understanding are you?

The Queen stayed married to a man who she described thus, "He has, quite simply, been my strength and stay all these years, and I, and his whole family, and this and many other countries, owe him a debt greater than he would ever claim, or we shall ever know.”

I think I'll go with the Queen's own words, not some random, non-fact based, biased, snidey little comment from a randomer on SM!!

Demonstrate "Prince Philip's racism" then? Give us concrete examples of times he discriminated on the basis of race. All any of you have offered so far is a small number of questionable one-liners that everyone is well aware of! Which in a history of 70+ years at the side of the Queen in public, is remarkably restrained imo!

While Andrew may be "disgusting" and "entitled (and I don't believe there is any dissent with this position), he is not a "nonce". You need to check your dictionary on that one! The Queen was a mother - would you respect her throwing her son to the wolves when you had no evidence of any wrongdoing on his part? Plus he was 'punished' and quite severely, for bringing the RF into disrepute.

Again re M&H, none so blind as will not see! All of the comments made here by posters are based on their behaviour in public, their oversharing of his family's life in public. We do know what they're like.

I find it incredibly ridiculous in any case that someone who so clearly dislikes and disses the RF (on the basis of no evidence whatsoever!) hero worships M&H, because what else are they but members of the RF? It's totally irrational.

Sorry Sussex squad, but I like to base my opinions on facts, and will continue to do so in spite of the insults.

Comments like this comes up a lot when posters disagree. I have a wide interest in royalty not merely the British. Royal history and especially the women fascinates me. I read widely about it.

I see wider opinions sometimes I agre sometimes I disagree.

This has been the first thread where whe. I have expresses my view that Andrew might not have got she was trafficked as it may simply not have occurred to him. That I've not been shut down by other posters lecturing me on why I am wrong. Doesn't make me change my view.

As for the Sussex. I've commented a fair few times on them. I think I am fairly neutral in I believe some stuff they experienced and I don't agree with some behaviours from them. Apparently that to one part of posters here makes me part of the Sussex squad (when I express I am ok with their choice to have a picture of Diana at the birth or their children) or it makes me "one of the haters" when I express I feel Meghan plays a game and deliberately delivers certain lines (like that interview "The colour of his skin, he won't be given a title) she 100% knew how that was coming across she understands the media. Whe. It backfired she then back tracks claiming she was misunderstood. I don't care for that. And frankly. The entire title thing is fully on Harry as he did know this.. as is the hug thing. And many other issues.

There are people who use this forum who. Have a wider view. In fact I'd say many of them.

I am looking forward to Michael Sheen’s portrayal of Andrew following this fascinating review.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3yyz1914o

Given Andrew used Giufre like a prostitute (no tenderness, a two pump chump who used her like a piece of meat) and his visits to Epstein’s private islands, the idea that that these girls wanted to have consensual sex with him is absurd.

The documents contain allegations that Epstein forced a woman – named only as Jane Doe #3 – to have sexual relations with Prince Andrew when she was a minor at Ghislaine Maxwell’s flat in London, in New York, and on Epstein’s private island in the US Virgin Islands “in an orgy with numerous other underaged girls”.

This claim was contained in an unsealed motion from 2015 by two women named only as Jane Doe #3 and Jane Doe #4.

If the thing with that woman is true then he was sleazy but he didn't do anything illegal or else he would have faced a criminal prosecution.

She has a name you know.

Here was Andrew’s statement after the settlement:

“Prince Andrew has never intended to malign Ms Giuffre’s character, and he accepts that she has suffered both as an established victim of abuse and as a result of unfair public attacks.”

Law firm heads have said this was basically an admission of guilt.

Giufre wanted two things - an apology and money. And she effectively got both. She played a blinder and good on her. She deserved her justice and what better justice than to see Epstein dead, Maxwell jailed and Andrew stripped of most of his prized titles and lose a shit load of money, funded by Mummy dearest.

have expressed my view that Andrew might not have got she was trafficked as it may simply not have occurred to him.
Sadly, I agree with you. I doubt he gave her a second thought. The girls were there to service him in the same way as someone serving him drinks. He is a disgusting, arrogant man. But part of what made him that way was his mothers indulgence, and her allowing him to treat staff as ' less than'. We have heard the stories about him demanding staff come running to close curtains when he's right next to them, and him dropping things and making staff pick them up. Staff have said he did not listen to anyone but his mother, and she always backed him up.

“Prince Andrew has never intended to malign Ms Giuffre’s character, and he accepts that she has suffered both as an established victim of abuse and as a result of unfair public attacks.”

This deserves repeating for the benefit of the hero-worshippers on here who've been implying Virginia made it up. It's right there, in your hero's own words - she did not.

FS what a reach - you don't know that!!

And why haven't the other underaged girls involved in the orgy now that Epstein is dead and Maxwell in prison?

I think it's the case too. I think he probably thought every woman was dying to get into his bed, because he was so handsome and so important. I think he was probably pretty near as gullible as the young women were, because of his arrogance and entitlement.

@DramaLlamaBangBang the one that intrigued me was the teddy bears and the positioning of them, and how he'd go mad if they weren't right! Grown man and teddy bears?

Are you deliberately misunderstanding?

Name one poster who has "hero-worshipped" Prince Andrew, or called him a "hero"? He might have been regarded as a hero post-Falklands but that soon dissipated!

That statement is totally oblique. It literally says nothing about culpability or otherwise.

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I'm definitely not Sussex squad. I don't like them anymore than I like Andrew or Philip.

Harry has made racist one liners too and anyone involved in polo (or any sport involving horses) knows the horses are badly treated, as an animal lover, he isn't my cup of tea. Another awful man like his grandpa. It's not 'restrained' to only make a few racist comments, it's disgusting. You are questionable to say that. Sickening. I've never made any racist comments and neither did my lovely grandpa who was in Philips generation. There's no excuse. He was a racist, rude bastard who I'm glad is dead. It says a lot about the Queen that she was married to a racist rude bastard. The works is better without them.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy, of which there is a lot from those obsessed with the RF and those that dislike Harry and Meghan and spend a lot of time slagging then off. When it comes to Andrews victim, she is disbelieved and Andrew 'might not have known', excuse after excuse is made. When it comes to Meghan, anyone saying anything bad about her is taken at their word and used as proof.

Andrews victim was very young. She looked very young. Did he really believe that a young girl was so desperate to sleep with an ugly old man? Talk about entitlement. Where did he think these young girls were coming from to arrive in the island? He is a creep. Any man with a brain and sense of decency would have questioned what was going on and not had sex with with them. You keep defending him and his pathetic mummy covering up for him.

I think it's the case too. I think he probably thought every woman was dying to get into his bed, because he was so handsome and so important. I think he was probably pretty near as gullible as the young women were, because of his arrogance and entitlement.

Another excuse. He was gullible. Bless him. 🤮

Do you believe Michael Jackson was just childlike and that's why he invited young boys to sleep in his bed too?

I really hope some posters here don't have children because I'm not sure they have the skills needed to protect them from predators.