Page 11 | Why does everyone love the queen, when she paid off Andrew’s victims?

Lovefromjuliaxo · 2024-09-17T22:03:45+00:00

Just on the back of Huw Edwards sentencing, I remember he was the one to announce the passing of the queen. Cue everyone crying, saying how wonderful she was etc. But I can’t get on board with respecting a woman who basically paid to keep her son out of prison. Why does everyone still adore her? And why did Andrew’s victim take the money instead of getting him punished, even if it was just a suspended like Edwards? **edited for spelling

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 20:42

Moglet4 · 18/09/2024 06:17

How rude. Firstly, try reading properly. I said, ‘Not ALL’ of us loved the Queen and not ‘ALL’ of us love the RF; that still leaves room for plenty to love them. Secondly, support for the RF in general has been in steady (and in the last 10y quite rapid) decline. At the last official poll taken last Autumn it stood at 54%. Of course, these things fluctuate slightly but overall it’s a downward trend. The only substantial support for the monarchy now lies with Boomers and older and even among them it’s declining. As such, it’s easy to see that the media skews our perception as this is never reflected in it.

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I did read it. Your definition of 'rude' is totally different to mine.

Completely disagree with your assertions. If that makes me "rude" so be it!!

What a weird outlook on life.

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 20:45

notimagain · 18/09/2024 07:44

Given the Falklands conflict was over 40 years ago and we’re drifting into querying PA’s record in the same maybe it’s worth pointing out that absolutely anybody who was in the task force in 82 who got anywhere near the Islands was at significant risk, especially those serving on and or flying off the carriers, and there was no protection or magic bunker available - even, for a Royal, even if kept below decks.

The Argentine Air Force and the air arm of their navy were very keen to sink the likes of Invincible, indeed the Atlantic Conveyor got sunk with loss of life because it was misidentified on radar as a carrier by the Argentine pilots on the day.

It’s also maybe worth pointing out that one of the largest losses UK Special Forces suffered during the campaign was in a helicopter accident (caused by a birdstrike) when attempting what looked like a simple hop transferring between two vessels…so even if PA had been kept way back from the front line just hovering aft of the carriers to help act as a radar decoy (which some rumours have is all he did when “at work”) he was at risk.

I’ve very had a very brief encounter with PA, way back..he’s not my cup of tea at all and deserves all the …..that gets thrown at him these days but like many many others he was objectively very much in harms way during the Falklands Campaign.

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Absolutely - and he came home to a hero's welcome, which makes his descent ever since all the more unfortunate, as he was considered handsome and was very popular. He threw that all away.

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 20:46

4andup · 18/09/2024 07:43

She was trafficked in to have sex with him that's against the law.

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Prove that?

GuPuddingRamekinHoarder · 18/09/2024 20:47

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 20:45

Absolutely - and he came home to a hero's welcome, which makes his descent ever since all the more unfortunate, as he was considered handsome and was very popular. He threw that all away.

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Paedos gonna paedo.

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 20:49

ThatAgileGoldMoose · 18/09/2024 08:32

I don't agree with your assumption that the family were convinced he was not guilty. The Queen stripping him of titles and status, disinheriting him, and his various appearances or not appearances at public events, as the only royal of his generation and previous status standing rows back, not in uniform or just plain not there very much suggests that he was in disgrace with his own family.

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That was for the sake of form. Because the RF couldn't stand by and do nothing. Because there was a public outcry that the Queen could not ignore. His disgrace was the punishment for getting himself into this shit in the first place through his association with Epstein, and bringing scandal and shame to the RF.

What do you think his reception would have been if he had been wheeled out for engagements after what happened?

The fact that he is still included in family events demonstrates he hasn't been entirely cast out. HIs disgrace was public, not private.

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 20:50

GuPuddingRamekinHoarder · 18/09/2024 20:47

Paedos gonna paedo.

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He was not a paedo! Do you actually understand what one is?!!

GuPuddingRamekinHoarder · 18/09/2024 20:50

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 20:38

Paddington FYI.

Have you ever heard of 'not speaking ill of the dead'? History will judge. I believe that history will determine that QEII was one of, if not the most, successful monarchs we've had. Too soon, when the woman had just died. Tacky and tasteless.

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This is sycophancy at its worst.

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 20:52

ThatAgileGoldMoose · 18/09/2024 09:00

Nah, I don't think that's the Queen's style. If she'd have thought he was innocent she'd have paid and he'd have probably laid low for a while or even taken a bit of a step back in duties.

I believe that him being stripped of everything was way above and beyond what they could have "gotten away with" if they'd just been trying to satisfy and quell the general public's opinions of him.

No I disagree. The Queen knew that she had to take decisive action, and that is what she did.

He can never be rehabilitated and he will live under the shadow of doubt and suspicion for the rest of his days.

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 20:54

BustingBaoBun · 18/09/2024 09:55

No. Not with a trafficked person. Age is irrelevant if you're trafficked

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But you have to prove that the person having sex with the trafficked person, knew that they were trafficked. I think PA was too stupid. I don't think it would have occurred to him even. Epstein and Maxwell manipulated people much more intelligent and clued-in than PA!

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 20:57

rumblegrumble · 18/09/2024 12:02

Anyone else wondering why we're going on so much about Andrew and not about any of the other men - like those who went repeatedly to the island and raped girls far younger than 17? Is nobody else a bit confused that the only name we have is someone who slept with a girl who was most likely legal, and who quite possibly wasn't even aware that she was unwilling? Whoever was raping 13 year olds on a private island wouldn't have either defence... Does nobody else wonder why after many years of men trafficking and raping young girls, the only person in prison is a woman? I'm personally a lot more interested in the names we don't know than the name we do...

Absolutely this! So many names have been bandied around and yet VG hasn't sued any of them? Why not? I'd say PA played a very minor bit part in the whole saga, and knowing the arrogant, entitled kind of man he is, I find it quite credible that the stupid arse didn't know what was going on around him.

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 20:57

GuPuddingRamekinHoarder · 18/09/2024 20:50

This is sycophancy at its worst.

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You don't know the meaning of the word.

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 20:59

4andup · 18/09/2024 11:56

A young woman was trafficked in for sex that's illegal. There is all these rich celebrities getting banged up for abusing women is Andrew and exception to the rule because he's royalty?

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What other rich celebs? Because there seems to be a hell of a lot of rich celebs who have had their names bandied around re Epstein. How many of them have been prosecuted or sued?

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 21:02

BustingBaoBun · 18/09/2024 14:15

Whereas really he was just a useful idiot for so many dodgy characters

I so agree with this. He was dazzled by hugely wealthy people hence his endless dodgy deals with oligarchs, arms dealers and ME 'businessmen'

I doubt Epstein even liked him but what a feather in his cap to say he has British royalty coming for dinner at his NY mansion. Shove a few girls his way, massage his huge ego (and get a young girl to massage his flab) and moron Andrew was sold. Which is why Andrew refused to say he regretted the friendship in his car crash interview. He loved it

For once, you and I are in agreement!! I think PA was basically a stooge for far seedier, evil abusers.

Toohardtofindaproperusername · 18/09/2024 21:03

MindfulAndDemure · 17/09/2024 23:14

He slept with someone over the age of consent. It's utterly grim that he did that at the age that he did. But not illegal, just gross.

Virginia took the payoff. Which says a lot with regards to what she wanted from going public.

The Queen shouldn't have made the payoff imo. But I understand why she did. I'm not a royalist.

Not necessarily. Espstein died. Princess Diana died. David Kelly died. Julian Assange imprisoned..corbyn " disappeared" . If you are,is a threat to the establishment you can and will be "disappeared" . And it happens.probably more often than we will ever know.

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 21:03

luckylavender · 18/09/2024 17:14

@Runnerinthenight - www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2017/8/13/the-priceless-racism-of-the-duke-of-edinburgh
Couldn't be bothered to type it all out. HTH

Happy to do my own research. I don't use aljazeera.

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 21:06

Toohardtofindaproperusername · 18/09/2024 21:03

Not necessarily. Espstein died. Princess Diana died. David Kelly died. Julian Assange imprisoned..corbyn " disappeared" . If you are,is a threat to the establishment you can and will be "disappeared" . And it happens.probably more often than we will ever know.

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Oh great, now we're reduced to conspiracy theories. Right.

4andup · 18/09/2024 21:06

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 20:20

Incorrect.

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She from California the age of consent is 18.

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 21:06

4andup · 18/09/2024 21:06

She from California the age of consent is 18.

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The first allegation Giuffre made was in London when she was 17. Not California.

x2boys · 18/09/2024 21:07

rumblegrumble · 18/09/2024 12:02

Anyone else wondering why we're going on so much about Andrew and not about any of the other men - like those who went repeatedly to the island and raped girls far younger than 17? Is nobody else a bit confused that the only name we have is someone who slept with a girl who was most likely legal, and who quite possibly wasn't even aware that she was unwilling? Whoever was raping 13 year olds on a private island wouldn't have either defence... Does nobody else wonder why after many years of men trafficking and raping young girls, the only person in prison is a woman? I'm personally a lot more interested in the names we don't know than the name we do...

Probably because prince Andrew is part of the British Royal family and was quite high profile, it doesn't mean that any other sex crimes that might have happened are irrelevant ,just that he is high profile

Haroldwilson · 18/09/2024 21:08

It was reputation management for the monarchy.

luckylavender · 18/09/2024 21:10

@Runnerinthenight - oh I just googled Prince Phillip racist & used the first thing that came up. I recognised all the stories.

4andup · 18/09/2024 21:11

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 20:46

Prove that?

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Do you have a poor opinion of her?
She is the victim I am interested in your thoughts of a 17 year old girl being trafficked and prostituted?

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 21:12

luckylavender · 18/09/2024 21:10

@Runnerinthenight - oh I just googled Prince Phillip racist & used the first thing that came up. I recognised all the stories.

Yes, because in 70 years + of being a royal, you will only find a handful of examples. That's why you recognise them!! Duh! Can you cite any example where he acted in a racist way, or treated someone as a lesser being because of their ethnicity?

4andup · 18/09/2024 21:13

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 21:06

The first allegation Giuffre made was in London when she was 17. Not California.

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It doesn't matter she's not a British citizen.

Runnerinthenight · 18/09/2024 21:13

4andup · 18/09/2024 21:11

Do you have a poor opinion of her?
She is the victim I am interested in your thoughts of a 17 year old girl being trafficked and prostituted?

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I don't have any opinion of her. I'd just like you to back yours up with facts.

I know she was a victim of Epstein and Maxwell. More than that, I don't.