Why does everyone love the queen, when she paid off Andrew’s victims?

[Lovefromjuliaxo]

Just on the back of Huw Edwards sentencing, I remember he was the one to announce the passing of the queen. Cue everyone crying, saying how wonderful she was etc. But I can’t get on board with respecting a woman who basically paid to keep her son out of prison. Why does everyone still adore her? And why did Andrew’s victim take the money instead of getting him punished, even if it was just a suspended like Edwards?

**edited for spelling

The queen's genius was to keep her mouth shut. She barely spoke, so people projected whatever they wanted on to her. This was usually along the lines of "great, noble, humble leader", because the UK is a nation of craven forelock-tuggers.

The Royal Family is properly fucked up, and she was married to a massive racist. She was well known for being a true matriarch, the head of The Firm. Yet somehow everyone used to pity her when The Firm lurched from scandal to scandal, like she was just a passive victim of the toxic mess.

I have sometimes wondered why she would prefer the payout over the potential punishment, but she likely thought he would get off Scot free (no jail time) due to how “powerful” he is - so took the money while she could. The royal family were pals with Savile, tells you all you need to know really.

WTF evidence do you have of that?

Absolute bullshit. A large proportion of the UK loves the RF. The Queen was the most highly respected and rightly so, having dedicated the majority of her long life to it.

As to Andrew - I guess she believed him when he told her he wasn't guilty. Wouldn't you support your son if you believed he was being unfairly accused? She didn't know if he would get a fair trial, and she didn't know how much damage such a trial would do to the monarchy. What Elizabeth II was all about was protecting and ensuring the continuation of the monarchy. She believed this was her duty and dedicated herself to that all her life.

So, she took the path of least resistance, and she helped Andrew pay to make it go away. How can anyone even begin to judge what they'd do in that situation? It's a ludicrous question tbh.

She won't have done it lightly, or without taking massive amounts of advice on the way forward. It was basically damage limitation and I don't blame her one bit for that.

No, it only tells you what you want to see.

Savile took a huge number of powerful people in!

I'm not blaming the victim. I'm stating that the blame ought to be directed to the appropriate parties- her parents & Epstein / Maxwell.

I have yet to see any evidence that Andrew was aware that she was trafficked.

I don't like Andrew. I think he is disgusting for having sex with a teenager. I don't think that he is responsible for sex trafficking.

It's arguably on a par. Diana was used in a not dissimilar way.

"Took the money while she could" - that about sums it up, really.

The queen paid 2m towards the settlement and all Andrew’s legal fees (so the best lawyers money could get basically) - the entire amount of the settlement has not been confirmed but is thought to be around 3million. So the queen paid the bulk of it.

Giuffre's claim was a civil claim. There was no chance that Andrew would be sent to prison. Nor was there ever any criminal prosecution against Andrew, he's just a guy who happened to be one of those who enjoyed Epstein's trafficked girls.

To be fair, Charles was late twenties when he met sixteen year old Diana so it’s not that dissimilar!

I dislike Andrew always have even before Virginia. I loved the Queen and I still miss her now. Nearly everyone I know loved her too.

You seem to forget a long tradition in the RF of arranged marriages so it wasn't that unusual a concept. Also Diana's grandmother and the Queen Mother were instrumental in setting up the marriage, and Diana's family was all for it.

There's also commentary that suggests Charles and Diana were very happy together in the early days, from people who were around them much of the time.

She stripped Diana of her HRH title the same as Fergie, plus Harry and Meghan, when they were no longer working members of the RF. It's a consistent approach. Diana's HRH was restored when she died, I believe, and she was given a state funeral as the mother of the future monarch. While Charles had brought scandal by having a mistress (again very common in the RF of the past), Diana had caused scandal by having multiple lovers, the first of them before Charles got back with Camilla, and some of those lovers were married. Then there was Squidygate, and the phone calls the police reprimanded her over!

The queen paid Victoria directly?

Same - Andrew was always arrogant. He did get some respect for his service in the Falklands though, but his reputation as Randy Andy and Airmiles Andy, plus the various financial scandals, did nothing to enhance his public image.

I thought the Queen was amazing.

What do you think of her choice to pay Virginia

She contributed towards the majority of the payoff and paid all his legal bills

Did she pay Victoria?

Is there a link?

Allegedly. Arguably the whole thing was always about cold hard cash, otherwise she would have wanted to bring him down with a guilty verdict.

Yes, Diana was 16 and Charles was 29 when they met.

This. Millions of people revering her as a great woman, when she wouldn’t have thrown water on any of her ‘subjects’ if we were on fire.

It's not like whatsoever!!!

Whatever.... if you can't see the good that she did over the course of her long life, I suggest you go and read some decent history books.

It's not all "public money! Educate yourself!

That's just how the civil claim system works. You are obliged to accept a reasonable settlement if it's offered before trial, else you could end up with a much worse outcome when the judge learns you refused to settle.

Yes, of course it's about cold hard cash. That was Giuffre's claim, - it was for MONEY.