Migrants - just curious......

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Are they genuinely so desperate that they will get in a rubber dingy to cross a dangerous sea to get to England?
OR
Are they 'sold' a dream?
OR
A mixture of both! And we don'it understand it properly .......
It's so sad all these people dying trying to cross the sea in such a dangerous way ......

Would you cross the sea in a rubber dinghy if you weren't feeling desperate, OP?

Well France isn’t dangerous and isn’t that different to England so I strongly suspect they are being targeted and ‘sold a dream’ as you put it. It’s become a lucrative business for a group of people and it’s hideous as these poor people are dying

Well, yes.. They are genuinely that desperate because they are fleeing war & political corruption in their own countries...

From France?

They aren’t immigrants, they are asylum seekers and of course they are desperate or they wouldn’t do it.

i can’t imagine a scenario where I’d get in a dinghy to cross the channel unless I felt I had no other choice. Would you?

They had already received asylum in France

Have they? Is the jungle at Calais not a thing any longer ?

The only way they can flee their countries is by paying criminal gangs (after instability has limited every other way they can emigrate out) who promise them a new life free of war in the UK, or they can't find asylum in France and so go to the UK. Please enlighten me, seriously, why you think anyone would be fleeing France..?

people often think that bad things will not happen to them - there’s a term for it in psychology. So they know there’s a risk in crossing the channel in a dingy but think it won’t happen to them. Sadly they are sometimes wrong

Do you think those getting in the boats don't know about the people who die crossing the channel?

Who had, who are you talking about?

Many families in the boats just accept that this is the travel method. Some might be what is considered vulnerable and under the sort of management of people getting them across, but others are quite au fait with the reality that you travel by boat to the UK. The same way they have travelled from various countries by land and sea before they get to Europe. The term 'trafficked' seems to imply that people are coming not of their own free will, but they are.

Before dingys it was shipping containers and lorries, also as hazardous, Ive worked with people who nearly suffocated.

And yes France is safe, but then they may have also been through other 'safe' countries prior to France like Syria. Syria take huge numbers of migrants and asylum seekers.

Perhaps they’ve been refused asylum in France. Or think it is easier to work on the black market in the uk. I have heard both said

I don't think they believe its dangerous - they'll have been told that the boat is safe. And usually it is.
They are coming for the language, the housing, the medical treatment, the black market labour, the opportunities, because they've got friends or family already here.
France is safe (as are other European countries that they have pass through to get to France) but Britain is easy street.

No, they clearly decide to risk their lives and face a horrific death their families will never know of (and will in fact be paying off to smugglers for years), on a mere whim. 🙄

Yeah. Extremely sad either way, my heart aches for these poor people

Do you mean Syria? It’s not actually all that safe!

Some of them have family connections in Britain so they, habe a fanily , most know English so its easier to integrate at work

It's a sad fact that many of these migrants have already been in Europe for a while, sometimes years, but have exhausted asylum requests in other countries. They are due to be deported, so they try their luck one final time by trying to come to Britain.

So, yes, they are often desperate, because they have run out of options, but also yes, possibly told that Britain will accept them when others have not.

We should agree a European wide system whereby if you are rejected by one, you will be rejected by all.

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Safe is a relative term here. Huge numbers of people fleeing persecution and war live in Syria. Its where they live for decades.

Syria is hugely overburdened with migrants in a way the UK cant imagine, nor can other EU countries who take way more than the UK anyway.

I work with asylum seekers and it's either desperation and fearing for safety, they're sold a dream by traffickers or they're kidnapped and trafficked and then the family are asked to pay for their safe arrival.
Pretty grim tbh in most cases I've worked with

I work with all types immigrants including refugees and asylum seekers and can confidently say a lot of it is economically driven. Britain has a generous welfare state which is attractive to people, especially those claiming asylum, as they get put up in decent housing and given basic funds to live. I don't blame the people, only the system which allows them to do it. It isn't fair on the local.population who get moved out of areas they've always lived for generations to make way for them.