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Migrants - just curious......

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sunshinewithrain · 15/09/2024 22:18

Are they genuinely so desperate that they will get in a rubber dingy to cross a dangerous sea to get to England?
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Are they 'sold' a dream?
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A mixture of both! And we don'it understand it properly .......
It's so sad all these people dying trying to cross the sea in such a dangerous way ......

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AngelicKaty · 16/09/2024 03:29

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YOUR words in bold have nothing to do with immigrants being self-sufficient.

babyproblems · 16/09/2024 03:33

theres an EPIC podcast: “To catch a scorpion” - listen to it. Unbelievable, tragic, very informative. Answers your question very well @sunshinewithrain

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All of that is irrelevant and not the point I was making. READ YOUR WORDS (in bold) again - THOSE WORDS are what I was saying could be describing Brits retiring to Spain.

NattyAzureHiker · 16/09/2024 03:52

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The Government could stop these crossings virtually overnight, by opening a safe and legal route for these asylum seekers, but they choose not to.

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NonsuchCastle · 16/09/2024 04:02

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  1. I was asking a question
  2. It was not addressed to you
  3. There are not "millions" of asylum seekers in the UK. There are around 400,000.
NattyAzureHiker · 16/09/2024 04:08

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NonsuchCastle · 16/09/2024 04:16

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No they don't. France and Germany both take more refugees than the UK does. check your facts.

CreateUserNames · 16/09/2024 04:19

Supersimkin7 · 16/09/2024 00:20

Yes - hotels are for the thousands and thousands (really) who haven’t yet got LTR/leave to remain which triggers the right to benefits.

When they get LTR, migrants go straight to the top of the housing list as they’re homeless. That’s what annoys people, cos they do overtake local families and nab nice new places for life.

In London illegal migrants all want a permanent home for life near where their hotel is, which is staggeringly expensive for the councils, what with the housing crisis at its worst here.

We’ve had people moved to
Swindon, much better quality of life, bigger houses and benefit payments go farther, but they were very disappointed.

There should be a very limited number of times people can refuse the allocated housing before they are not eligible to apply anymore.

NonsuchCastle · 16/09/2024 04:23

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But if they didn't come to the UK you would lose your scapegoat!

lavenderlou · 16/09/2024 04:24

illegal migrants all want a permanent home for life near where their hotel is

Illegal migrants don't get any kind of housing at all. If they are housed in hotels then they are part of the asylum-seeking process. If their application is successful, then they will receive housing. If you are here illegally, you receive nothing. As PP have mentioned, thise here illegally are likely working on the black market because the UK has lax employment checks in some areas.

RedDeath614 · 16/09/2024 04:51

YogaForDummies · 15/09/2024 23:23

I work with all types immigrants including refugees and asylum seekers and can confidently say a lot of it is economically driven. Britain has a generous welfare state which is attractive to people, especially those claiming asylum, as they get put up in decent housing and given basic funds to live. I don't blame the people, only the system which allows them to do it. It isn't fair on the local.population who get moved out of areas they've always lived for generations to make way for them.

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I know many of these economic migrants and immigrants, some of whom who have illegally worked/lived here for well over a decade. A lot came via Europe before the Brexit deadline, where they were comfortably living and had bought property that they still have and haven't declared to the UK government. Some have come over very recently due to large scale visa extensions authorised by UK authorities.

I also know many who have come over on student visas. After graduation, they are all working as deliveroo drivers, in Asian shops, Amazon warehouses, etc. They are all without exception living 8-10 to a small terraced or semi detached house. They don't care about subletting being illegal or landlords obligations to ensure that they don't inadvertently get fined by local councils. They simply cannot afford to pay UK rents and so they cram as many of their mates into these houses as humanly possible. The landlords who discover this illegal subletting chuck them out. Some don't care. Either way they are causing havoc in local communities by living in their own self created slums. They are also using local religious temples to eat free food daily. We're talking about a few hundred people descending on the temples daily, again without contributing anything in time or small donations to those temples, as all other worshippers do. The poor older volunteers simply can't cope with catering for this volume of largely young people daily.

None of these people are educated or trained in any profession. They may already have or get a further degree, but their grades aren't high enough to say work in medicine or the care sector. They are all coming to work in the black market and to send money home to maintain their homes or build a nest egg. Benefits and housing here are a draw too. None of these people pay tax, want to pay tax, contribute to the communities around them or care about law, ethics and decency. They are literally here to bleed the country dry.

It makes me feel so angry when I hear that they are "desperate migrants fleeing persecution." They are doing nothing of the kind. And why aren't the ones I see and know contributing anything in return for being here? It's all take, take, take, without a second thought for the people's lives who they're destroying here. If they can't afford to live here they should return to their home countries where they have housing, families and a comfortable life. Stop inflicting your greed and destruction on other mostly elderly people here.

DelusionalBrilliance · 16/09/2024 04:52

“They are desperate, fleeing war, famine and rape”

…what, and leaving all the women and kids behind? That’s good of them.

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oakleaffy · 16/09/2024 05:17

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Free housing, free medical care, free education, free generous benefits- once you get there bring your family to join you... It's ''easy street''.

That's likely the 'Dream' sold to them.

TheHangingGardensOfBasildon · 16/09/2024 05:20

I've often wondered the same thing, but it seems nigh on impossible to ask the question, as people will just shout you down about them fleeing for their lives from dangerous homelands.

I get that many want to come to the UK because they have family/a network here, they speak English, they believe their financial situation will be preferable or whatever; but we should be honest and frame it as their choosing to come here, rather than going on about them desperately fleeing persecution or war or in fear for their very lives.

If you're in France, you've already hit the jackpot. There may be a need for the international community to hold the French to account if they aren't properly fulfilling their obligations to asylum seekers - but if you took a worldwide poll as to the objectively best countries to live in, France would easily be in the top 10, probably higher.

By all means, if it's not your preference, do what you wish to; but let's not have the ridiculous false claims of people having to 'flee in fear' from one of the nicest, safest, most privileged countries in the whole world.

TheThreeCheesesOfTheApocalypse44 · 16/09/2024 05:29

Why is this only centered around ' none white ' Asylum seekers who have to risk their life in boats ?? Personally I'm not comfortable with the fact that we gave Ukrainians a safe passage and a huge safety net despite the fact many of them are so terrified of their home country they return home for holidays. But that's a whole other thread !!