Migrants - just curious......

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Are they genuinely so desperate that they will get in a rubber dingy to cross a dangerous sea to get to England?
OR
Are they 'sold' a dream?
OR
A mixture of both! And we don'it understand it properly .......
It's so sad all these people dying trying to cross the sea in such a dangerous way ......

Why not France (or elsewhere) well many more migrants DO stay in France and other countries. When I’ve watched news/documentaries that has interviewed asylum seekers seeking to get to the UK and asked them why here it is normally language (ie they speak English), family or friend connections and sometimes perception we’re more welcoming than other countries. We certainly don’t offer the best benefits or social support compared to say Germany or Nordics. Personally if I were to choose I’d go Norway but that’s a tough language to learn.

But housing, benefits and black market employment is often more than many UK citizens have in the end of day.

Our prisons are full of these men....immigration take forever to process them.

Reason we can’t afford to run is not because of migrants. They’re a lovely scapegoat created by a decade plus of Tories who waste money on pointless exercises. Do you have that same attitude to British “expats” who want a better life elsewhere?

The article outlines 11 points and you've basically taken point one and ignored the rest 👌🏾.

Sweden and Germany are now tightening up after massive problems with immigration. Denmark has always had relatively strict asylum legislation. So it's probably not even that easy.

Brits are granted asylum in what country?

Could be useful to know for homeless people in UK if other countries will provide social housing.

I don't know, but there was a recent story where a 16 year old girl was raped and strangled to death in front of her mum while the boat she was on was sinking so its certainly possible that some people on those boats would kill the smaller and weaker people if it meant saving themselves.

Does it though? How have you offered your assistance to them?

I simply don't believe its true. They aren't kidnapped. Jeez.............

They are choosing to go to certain countries over others.

No they don't. The UN Refugee Convention does not make this requirement of refugees, and UK case law supports this interpretation. Refugees can legitimately make a claim for asylum in the UK after passing through other “safe” countries.

I think the vast % are not kidnapped. They are trying to move somewhere, maybe safer, maybe easier, maybe to make money etc.
I am very dubious about how they are almost all young males. It's that dangerous you have to leave, but it's ok to leave your wife and child there.
Hmmm . Seems a bit inconsistent!
Would love to know how many of these men actually send money back, as that is the reason given.

@Dweetfidilove I reiterate, there's a LOT you can do with £400. Especially when you're used to having NOTHING. Can you imagine what it's like to not afford toilet paper? Or water to drink that won't make you ill? The ability to lock a door and be safe from harm in your home while you sleep? The health implications of being clean and having enough food to eat? Some people don't have these things in their country. On £400pcm + housing benefit, they can.

If you bother to read my post properly, I've said the feeding someone for £2.50 etc is in their own country, not here in UK, I was talking about them sending money home.

To think people won't come here for "only" £400 a month shows how out of touch with the rest of the world you are.

I've no doubt you're right about them sending for their relatives to join them as soon as they can.

but then does this not defeat the object of wanting a safe county if you then skip half of them ?

Why on earth would you think that? That's just bizarre!

You do realise other countries take them in? They don't just come to the UK.

That sound eerily like the people who help those get out of N.Korea to S. Korea via China. The most dangerous route but due to sanctions in recent years, the one that will be most successful.

Your question doesn't make sense. They want a safe country of their choosing and some of them choose the UK, which the UN Refugee Convention allows them to do - that doesn't defeat anything. 72% of the world’s refugees are actually living in countries neighbouring their country of origin, often in developing countries.

People seeking asylum do not come to the UK to claim benefits. Most know nothing about welfare benefits before they arrive and had no expectation that they would receive financial support. Almost all people seeking asylum are not allowed to work and are forced to rely on state support which is as little as £6.43 a day to live on.

"... but when there are big pockets of people who have no interest in the national culture or adapting to it that creates problems both for themselves and for the rest of the population." You could be describing Brits retiring to Spain.

Again FROM France

One anecdote doesn't make data. Here's some facts from the Migration Observatory instead:
"While the differences in the use of social housing between the migrant and UK born populations are relatively small [17% and 16% respectively], there have been claims in the popular press that migrants often receive priority status in the allocation of social housing. Several studies have failed to find evidence supporting this claim (e.g. Battiston et al. 2014, Robinson 2010). However, some migrant groups are more likely to have the characteristics required to gain priority for social housing, such as very low income. In 2020-21, an estimated 92% of lead tenants in social rented housing in England were UK citizens (Social housing lettings in England, 2020/21) although social housing allocation policies vary by local authority, making it difficult to generalise these findings."

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