Migrants - just curious......

[sunshinewithrain]

Are they genuinely so desperate that they will get in a rubber dingy to cross a dangerous sea to get to England?
OR
Are they 'sold' a dream?
OR
A mixture of both! And we don'it understand it properly .......
It's so sad all these people dying trying to cross the sea in such a dangerous way ......

Absolutely correct. Syria has always taken in refugees (by the millions) - From Iraq, Palestine, Africa etc. Refugees are welcomed, given access to free education and the right to own homes and businesses.
Obviously the situation in Syria is volatile (which suits the UK and USA) plus they live under the toughest of sanctions, (also imposed by the UK and USA and allies) but it used to be one of the safest countries.

They're not 'sold a dream', people can easily google what happens in other countries and make their choices that way, I work with adult and children asylum seekers, often they're very well to do, sometimes not. Some have high levels of education, some dont. Many speak English well and have family already here, its not a fantasy or dream, they're aware of what awaits them in terms of processing and procedures.

Very very few people are kidnapped and trafficked, the most at risk of actual real trafficking are Vietnamese, usually children.

'Traffickers' are what we might see as transport arrangers, people who know people, they're not all criminal gangs, with shady identities, they're people doing a job to take people to countries they want to go but arent technically allowed to go.

The word trafficking has lost all meaning in recent years.

@TheBigRabbyBunnet

That's what I'm saying, they are already safe. In France

It isn't fair on the local.population who get moved out of areas they've always lived for generations to make way for them

I think it’s the overcrowding that’s the issue, not enough schools/doctors/dentists/jobs etc that create the problems.

It’s about time the government either funded this properly and built homes and services or get tougher on letting people in.

What do we need more room in schools for?

Not seeing many kids coming over on those boats...

It puts a strain on services and housing but it also creates social problems. People of any culture moving en masse will create problems in the host community, by not having the same language and values and in many cases not integrating but living in an insular way that creates areas where the local culture looks completely different to the nation, and people unferstandably struggle to adapt. That's not to say multiculturalism isn't good, when handled properly it can be an amazing asset to a country but when there are big pockets of people who have no interest in the natiknal culture or adapting to it that creates problems both for themselves and for the rest of the population.

Britain has a generous welfare state which is attractive to people

No, it’s our thriving underground economy.

You could tell me I’d be a millionaire at the end of it, I still wouldn’t be getting on a fucking dinghy with my baby then piling into a lorry to potentially suffocate. Of course they’re desperate!

Funny that, because all of the immigrants I work with (for the local council) live in council houses and receive UC.

How did they get a council house so quickly when we have local people in a b and b with their kids?

I read that the French think it's because it's too easy for people to work illegally in the UK. Not sure if that's right.

Because they fucking die on the way!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn8lklkxx5no.amp

They do have a choice. They can stay in France, or any other of the countries they've passed through to get to Calais.

Majority don't come over with kids.... it's just the ones reported on

They're considered more vulnerable as the local people already have connections and family in that area whereas a lot of them don't. A lotmof them are avrualky quite well off but pretend to be homeless (and essentially are, while owning property in their home country) then when offered a home will then transport the restnof their family here to join them.

@YogaForDummies awww that's so nice

Funny that, because all of the immigrants I work with (for the local council) live in council houses and receive UC

I wonder why we need all those hotels that were set on fire during the riots then.

And what on the fucking earth gives you that impression?

And going in your user name, did your ancestors just stop here or should they have fecked off to the USA?

Small boat migrants are mostly not refugees or asylum seekers.

No one pretends they are any more, although a good 15 per cent of arrivals in Dover are genuine refugees ie on the run from war and oppression.

(People have arrived here after harassment for being Christian in Iraq, for instance. Or being the only one alive after war in Sudan left the rest of the family dead.)

Typically, a young single man from a safe poor country is sponsored by his village to arrive in uk and send money back. That’s economic migration.

They refuse France and being rescued by the French in the Channel because 🇬🇧 is seen as more lucrative.

The hotels are specifically for those who haven't had their claims fully processed as there is a big backlog for the home office to work through. They aren't there permanently lol, but there are always new people coming in as people are processed out into permanent housing.

Fucks sake.

All the Tommeh blowers.

How shit would your life need to be before ye put yourself in a fecking blow up boat?

You talk like they are choosing between Wimpey and David Wilson.

catch on.

So. Fucking. What.

“The majority of those landing in north wales and Liverpool could have sought succour in Dublin and environs before heading to drain the Crown.”

Have a read of American Dirt

Why Britain instead of France? English-speaking, might well have friends/relatives already here, jobs that quite a few Brits aren't prepared to do, benefits etc.