Page 13 | Migrants - just curious......

sunshinewithrain · 2024-09-15T21:18:30+00:00

Are they genuinely so desperate that they will get in a rubber dingy to cross a dangerous sea to get to England? OR Are they 'sold' a dream? OR A mixture of both! And we don'it understand it properly ....... It's so sad all these people dying trying to cross the sea in such a dangerous way ......

EasternStandard · 16/09/2024 19:08

inamarina · 16/09/2024 18:51

So just because you’re technically entitled to something you’ll put your life at risk for it?
Even though other, safer options might be available, like moving from France to another EU country without having to cross the sea?

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I think people are risking their lives to cross in many cases whether it's over the Mexico border, across Africa to get to the coast or having to do really awful things to survive

It's a messy, dangerous process. I saw a video of hundreds storming from Morocco to Spain last Sunday.

I think there's an element of head in the sand over all the tbh. Not you but generally.

Diedrewas · 16/09/2024 19:11

What was that quote by Malcolm X

inamarina · 16/09/2024 19:13

AngelicKaty · 16/09/2024 19:02

So now you're claiming that all refugees' motivations and experiences are exactly the same and identical to your family's, whilst previously posting "The Refugee Council knows what every single refugee does or doesn’t know?" Ludicrous argument.🙄

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Ludicrous indeed. Where did I claim such a thing though?

You said in your other post: “I'd rather trust the Refugee Council who work with refugees every day than your supposition based on no knowledge whatsoever.”

I was just responding to that last bit in bold. Nowhere did I claim to know what all the other refugees’ motivations are.
I just think it’s a bit naive to think that refugees aiming for a particular country because they have family/ friends there won’t ask those people what the available support might be.

soupfiend · 16/09/2024 19:17

inamarina · 16/09/2024 18:51

So just because you’re technically entitled to something you’ll put your life at risk for it?
Even though other, safer options might be available, like moving from France to another EU country without having to cross the sea?

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All the routes involve danger, either by land or sea

Do you (and other people that struggle with this concept) really think that their journey is tickety boo up until they get to Calais and suddenly that sea crossing the most dangerous thing in the journey?

twentysevendresses · 16/09/2024 21:03

TheBigRabbyBunnet · 15/09/2024 22:51

Well, yes.. They are genuinely that desperate because they are fleeing war & political corruption in their own countries...

They're travelling across from France...probably via several more 'safe' countries though 🤷‍♀️

70% of these are adult men. Only 10% are adult women and 20% are children. So the overwhelming majority are adult men. The largest percentage of these are from Albania, Iran and Afghanistan. That's not an easy route to travel and would take them through many safe countries (eg from Albania they would travel through Serbia/Croatia/Italy and so on...possibly 7 different countries to get to France, then on an inflatable dinghy across the Channel!)

They've clearly been sold a dream...and the criminal gangs selling this dream need dealing with in the harshest possible terms.

5byfive · 16/09/2024 21:17

AngelicKaty · 16/09/2024 18:46

Why do you find it difficult to remain on point with a specific scenario? Do you just struggle with detail? (That was a rhetorical question.) @Overheater has written here that her grandparents came to the UK in the 1930s when her grandmother was 5 and her grandfather was 8 so they would have been 25 and 28 respectively in 1950 - a time when people did not routinely have children out of "wed-lock" because it was considered shameful to do so. I guess you just want to question if @Overheater 's grandparents had illegitimate children in addition to committing incest? Honestly.🙄
Maybe you've heard the phrase: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt". Clearly that ship has sailed for you on this occasion, but you might like to bear it in mind for the future.

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If overheaters grandparents were siblings why would people assume they were unmarried? They would legally have the same surname. They would easily be able to pass as married.

I never said her grandparents had illegitimate children or committed incest (these are technically the same thing btw). I asked if they were a she told a story that seemed to be to be about two siblings but she called these two siblings her grandparents.

If I was telling the story of my great grandparents sending their children to another country as unaccompanied children I would either tell both stories or tell one story and say I didn’t know the other set’s story.

Overheater said they weren’t siblings.I haven’t noticed if she expanded on the story by explaining if they met on the boat or were fostered together or what.

You seemed to take issue with me asking but I don’t understand why.

I have since tried to explain to you that a) sometimes siblings have babies b) in the uk this is more common among immigrants than native Brits and c) siblings have the same surname so can easily pass as married as they don’t need a wedding certificate for legal docs.

I’m really not sure why you are trying to insult me and I don’t know why you are telling me I should be silent.

Overheater · 16/09/2024 22:24

AngelicKaty · 16/09/2024 18:46

Why do you find it difficult to remain on point with a specific scenario? Do you just struggle with detail? (That was a rhetorical question.) @Overheater has written here that her grandparents came to the UK in the 1930s when her grandmother was 5 and her grandfather was 8 so they would have been 25 and 28 respectively in 1950 - a time when people did not routinely have children out of "wed-lock" because it was considered shameful to do so. I guess you just want to question if @Overheater 's grandparents had illegitimate children in addition to committing incest? Honestly.🙄
Maybe you've heard the phrase: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt". Clearly that ship has sailed for you on this occasion, but you might like to bear it in mind for the future.

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Thank you! I’m genuinely quite insulted that PP thought that rather than engage her brain. To make it absolutely clear - they were not brother and sister. They travelled on the same boat with 3000 other children, lived/grew up in different parts of the U.K. and happened to meet when they were in their 20s. Got married, where their birth certificates were obvs checked by Lambeth council. And as two very devout catholics, they got married before they had children.

AngelicKaty · 16/09/2024 23:22

5byfive · 16/09/2024 21:17

If overheaters grandparents were siblings why would people assume they were unmarried? They would legally have the same surname. They would easily be able to pass as married.

I never said her grandparents had illegitimate children or committed incest (these are technically the same thing btw). I asked if they were a she told a story that seemed to be to be about two siblings but she called these two siblings her grandparents.

If I was telling the story of my great grandparents sending their children to another country as unaccompanied children I would either tell both stories or tell one story and say I didn’t know the other set’s story.

Overheater said they weren’t siblings.I haven’t noticed if she expanded on the story by explaining if they met on the boat or were fostered together or what.

You seemed to take issue with me asking but I don’t understand why.

I have since tried to explain to you that a) sometimes siblings have babies b) in the uk this is more common among immigrants than native Brits and c) siblings have the same surname so can easily pass as married as they don’t need a wedding certificate for legal docs.

I’m really not sure why you are trying to insult me and I don’t know why you are telling me I should be silent.

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Because you're genuinely not the full shilling. 🙄

AngelicKaty · 16/09/2024 23:25

Overheater · 16/09/2024 22:24

Thank you! I’m genuinely quite insulted that PP thought that rather than engage her brain. To make it absolutely clear - they were not brother and sister. They travelled on the same boat with 3000 other children, lived/grew up in different parts of the U.K. and happened to meet when they were in their 20s. Got married, where their birth certificates were obvs checked by Lambeth council. And as two very devout catholics, they got married before they had children.

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You're welcome! 😃I honestly don't know how her mind works to arrive at such bizarre conclusions - your posts were absolutely clear to me (funnily enough, hers less so! 😂) xx