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Good to see the children of the rich and famous doing real jobs?

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mids2019 · 15/09/2024 05:38

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13850955/Jamie-Oliver-daughter-graphic-posts-social-media-work-nurse.html

OK I know she shouldn't have done the below but I actually find it refreshing that the children of of the rich and famous do real jobs and don't take advantage of nepotism. So many of the children of celebrities seem to become models or singers (though you haven't heard their music) it beggars belief.

I am glad some celeb offspring aren't too posh to do important jobs that maybe involve tough clinical conditions.

Jamie Oliver's daughter risks being disciplined for graphic posts

The 21-year-old has shared a series of graphic posts - which could be deemed unprofessional - on social media about her work and her patients.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13850955/Jamie-Oliver-daughter-graphic-posts-social-media-work-nurse.html

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HaveYouSeenRain · 15/09/2024 19:51

Paetina · 15/09/2024 11:11

His father David was a renowned psychiatrist. Still an example of a child following an extremely successful parent into the same field.

Anna Wintour is also a nepo baby

MattDamon · 15/09/2024 20:39

Lovethatforyouhun · 15/09/2024 18:44

Yet Jamie Oliver’s son has his own cooking show 😂

Worst thing is, he doesn't even want to be a chef! Jamie interviewed him on his SM a few weeks ago and he has no interest in pursuing it.

mids2019 · 15/09/2024 20:46

How many other celeb kids have 'normal' jobs? Still think it is a rarity.....could be proven wrong

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justasking111 · 15/09/2024 21:57

I think Richard Branson kids do. Paul McCartney.

ScamanthaBrick · 15/09/2024 22:11

Paul McCartney? 🤣 Never heard of Stella, then?

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 15/09/2024 22:30

justasking111 · 15/09/2024 21:57

I think Richard Branson kids do. Paul McCartney.

Paul McCartney is really not a good example in this thread. His kids are a fashion designer, singer and artist respectively...

mids2019 · 15/09/2024 22:55

Holly Branson is a social entrepeneur and Sam Branson is flirting with various enjoyable careers apparently.

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timetodecide2345 · 16/09/2024 01:44

@ThePrologue she will be dealt with through the Fitness to Practice committee in her university department that have to meet the NMC requirements to get their programmes validated. There is a process for managing student nurse behaviour and it's a strict one!

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 16/09/2024 06:33

@StockpotSoup

The thing is that often celeb kids do have opportunities that they have taken away from 'regular' kids. Example: drama school. There is a limited amount of places every year, and they often don't go to kids from working class families. I can think of a few actors who went through drama school and even that did not really improve their acting and yet...
Sure, some opportunities happen thanks to the name. But some are technically open to everybody.
A colleague who went to drama school told us once that the best way to be noticed by agents in drama school was to make sure to stand as close to a celeb kid during plays because agents arranged by mummies and daddies would come and there was more chance to be spotted. Amond famous actors there are not that many Jamie Lee Curtises, but more Tori Spellings.

Also, maybe there would be no book published by an anonymous unknown young photographer, but at least the world would be free of Brooklyn's 'art'. I read his younger brother now 'retired' (at the age of 21/22) from football career and is planning to become a model. 😂
I suppose what grates people is that the wealth, hypocrisy and lack of talent is on display (Hailey Biebier's film about poverty comes to mind as well) and it just seems a bit unfair, also seeing how many of the kids who had the career handed on a platter keep on saying how hard they worked, while we all know they didnt.
Of course I get that if you are minted you dont necessarily want your child to stack up shelves in the supermarket, so you need to onvent a 'career' for your child, understandable that people pull whatever strings they can- but it's also OK to call out the priviledge.

mids2019 · 16/09/2024 06:49

@Tulipsareredvioletsarebue

Exactly.

I think there would be bit more understanding of nepotism babies acknowledged their privilege instead of getting PR pieces to emphasise their own struggles to divert from the fact. Help babies don't have working class credentials to fall on so seem to airbrush their parentage out to seem more authetic.

working class participation in drama has been highlighted by many actors but in reality not much changes. The middle / upper middle classes are the route to fame and use their relative wealth and assertiveness to get into career opportunities. Obviously having a famous parent is icing on the cake.

I think some of these children have been groomed from quite a young age for a clean lifestyke. Obviously you have the monarchy which perosnifies this philosophy but in a way I think some celeb parents in an egotistical fashion want to hand down the fame as if it is an inhertiable quality (and maybe it is?).

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StockpotSoup · 16/09/2024 10:37

Also, maybe there would be no book published by an anonymous unknown young photographer, but at least the world would be free of Brooklyn's 'art'.

Personally I think the world needed it - although the art form it actually took was comedy rather than photography 😆

StockpotSoup · 16/09/2024 10:48

mids2019 · 16/09/2024 06:49

@Tulipsareredvioletsarebue

Exactly.

I think there would be bit more understanding of nepotism babies acknowledged their privilege instead of getting PR pieces to emphasise their own struggles to divert from the fact. Help babies don't have working class credentials to fall on so seem to airbrush their parentage out to seem more authetic.

working class participation in drama has been highlighted by many actors but in reality not much changes. The middle / upper middle classes are the route to fame and use their relative wealth and assertiveness to get into career opportunities. Obviously having a famous parent is icing on the cake.

I think some of these children have been groomed from quite a young age for a clean lifestyke. Obviously you have the monarchy which perosnifies this philosophy but in a way I think some celeb parents in an egotistical fashion want to hand down the fame as if it is an inhertiable quality (and maybe it is?).

I do take your points, but what’s the solution? You can’t force drama schools or modelling agencies to recruit “blind”. It doesn’t take much to Google celeb children names, check out whether they have a social media presence and then approach them if you think they could be of value. Emilio Estevez supposedly used his mother’s maiden name to avoid trading on his father’s name, but realistically, who didn’t know who it was?

You seem to place a lot of emphasis on the role of the parents (the comments about “passing down fame”), but at some point, celebrity children become adults, and their parents will only have so much input. In one of your posts you praise Bruce Springsteen for “not being too posh to let his son do a worthwhile job” as a firefighter - but surely by the time you’re old enough to train to be a firefighter, you’re too old for your parents to “let” you?

It might not be a level playing field, but much of life isn’t. I’ve seen a lot on this thread about how “It’s not fair!!”, but very little in the way of practical suggestions on tackling it.

Waterboatlass · 16/09/2024 10:57

Lost the comments I was quoting but re Daisy Oliver:

Really not appropriate for a student. Absolutely awful what happened and of course she needed to talk about it but she shouldn't have resorted to social media. She should have spoken to her tutor, ward sister or whatever support is in place.

Essentially it is not an appropriate part of training and building resilience to share details of difficult clinical experiences on SM. Students certainly shouldn't see this as some sort of public service. Easy mistake for a teenager to make given this is the world they've grown up in, especially after such an ordeal, but it's not to be encouraged.

Not saying they should never comment on their opinions or experiences but not specifics like this soon after the fact. It just isn't what she's learning or there to do.

easylikeasundaymorn · 16/09/2024 12:34

Illjusthavethebreadsticks · 15/09/2024 12:00

@easylikeasundaymorn it's called respect

Yes, not throwing your own shit at someone would be respectful
Once you've done that you've lost the right to be treated with respect, tbh.

Although I still don't see how anonymously referring to someone can be disrespectful. If my GP posted saying "busy day today, I've done 10 cervical cancer swabs before lunch" and I was one of the ten women I'd not be wailing about my invaded privacy!

Monkey1z · 16/09/2024 13:12

StockpotSoup · 16/09/2024 10:48

I do take your points, but what’s the solution? You can’t force drama schools or modelling agencies to recruit “blind”. It doesn’t take much to Google celeb children names, check out whether they have a social media presence and then approach them if you think they could be of value. Emilio Estevez supposedly used his mother’s maiden name to avoid trading on his father’s name, but realistically, who didn’t know who it was?

You seem to place a lot of emphasis on the role of the parents (the comments about “passing down fame”), but at some point, celebrity children become adults, and their parents will only have so much input. In one of your posts you praise Bruce Springsteen for “not being too posh to let his son do a worthwhile job” as a firefighter - but surely by the time you’re old enough to train to be a firefighter, you’re too old for your parents to “let” you?

It might not be a level playing field, but much of life isn’t. I’ve seen a lot on this thread about how “It’s not fair!!”, but very little in the way of practical suggestions on tackling it.

Pointing out a lack of fairness is seeking equality not being childish, naive or petulant. If it were ethnicity or gender and equality under scrutiny, who would defend that?

As for what can be done. Lots. There are suggestions here. First off I’d suggest stop defending the status quo. Don’t imply those wanting equality are like kids demanding equal dibs on sweets.

Start with what the nation funds. The BBC should audit its content and stop commissioning the likes of Matilda Ramsay (mediocre ability, famous dad). The civil service already take positive action as do some other key firms. More need to do this and look at their employee demographics. Demographics need to be defined - there are already working definitions based on first (Uni) generation, parental employment. There’s also lots of organisations who can help with teaching soft skills, networking, industry norms; the sort of information that isn’t readily accessible to whole demographics. Schools can reach out too to invite professionals in to share their experiences. There’s a tired old phrase that you need to ‘see it to be it’. If all you see is your parents low paid job or no job, how do you know what to reach for? Finally, be an advocate if you are able. This could be offering a work placement to a kid from a comp or even just making sure that the next role that becomes available is advertised broadly.

and yes, @mids2019 the Royals are the epitome of what’s wrong.

Lillanbjornen · 16/09/2024 17:48

Nepo babies (the non-celeb version!) are so bad in law that many firms now have policies forbidding relatives and family friends doing work experience in the same firm. So much of the city is supposedly focused on social mobility and then you end up with the young relatives of the partners in on work experience, it’s a joke.

Waterboatlass · 16/09/2024 17:56

easylikeasundaymorn · 16/09/2024 12:34

Yes, not throwing your own shit at someone would be respectful
Once you've done that you've lost the right to be treated with respect, tbh.

Although I still don't see how anonymously referring to someone can be disrespectful. If my GP posted saying "busy day today, I've done 10 cervical cancer swabs before lunch" and I was one of the ten women I'd not be wailing about my invaded privacy!

Are you saying someone with no control over their behaviour (say a dementia patient) deserves no respect then?

Waterboatlass · 16/09/2024 17:57

Of course that's not to say all dementia patients throw waste

Exdonkeylover · 16/09/2024 18:24

Vinnie Jones and Gordon Ramsey both have sons who joined the military

Buffs · 16/09/2024 18:26

I think Daisy Oliver is fantastic. She would have had the opportunity to do any number of sexy, fluffy jobs and she chose a tough, grueling job that requires real dedication. Good luck to her!

Trishthedish · 16/09/2024 18:55

SwedishEdith · 15/09/2024 06:18

Isn't one of Springsteen's sons a firefighter?

Yes, Sam is a firefighter

VickyPollard25 · 16/09/2024 18:57

HeartandSeoul · 15/09/2024 06:12

I’ll leave this here and say no more…..

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

DysonSphere · 16/09/2024 19:18

easylikeasundaymorn · 16/09/2024 12:34

Yes, not throwing your own shit at someone would be respectful
Once you've done that you've lost the right to be treated with respect, tbh.

Although I still don't see how anonymously referring to someone can be disrespectful. If my GP posted saying "busy day today, I've done 10 cervical cancer swabs before lunch" and I was one of the ten women I'd not be wailing about my invaded privacy!

Nonsense.

Wait (I sincerely hope it never happens to you) till you have a loved one: Your mother, or Father, sister or child who was formerly fully independent have to rely on intimate care from strangers.

Wait till you see your formerly strong and capable relative crying in shame because they have spontaneously wet themselves or shat on themselves or on the floor in front of nursing staff and they feel mortified, ashamed or humiliated, and then see how YOU would feel if you then saw one of those same nurses or care staff making great hay over having to 'wipe up some man's/woman's piss today' publicly on Social Media for likes.

What she did was extremely immature. Unless the person who threw the pad at her had all their faculties it was just wrong. And that description it was so specific it is possible that the person treated could remember the incident and recognise her as their nurse. It's extremely short sighted to not see precisely why the NMC take a low view of such behaviour.

HaveYouSeenRain · 16/09/2024 20:17

mids2019 · 15/09/2024 22:55

Holly Branson is a social entrepeneur and Sam Branson is flirting with various enjoyable careers apparently.

She isn’t. She is a member if the senior leadership team at Virgin. https://www.virgin.com/branson-family/holly-branson

Holly Branson | The Branson Family | Virgin

Holly Branson, daughter of Richard Branson is Virgin's Chief Purpose and Vision Officer, and co-chair of Virgin Unite. Keep up to date with Holly from her blog.

https://www.virgin.com/branson-family/holly-branson

HaveYouSeenRain · 16/09/2024 20:19

justasking111 · 15/09/2024 21:57

I think Richard Branson kids do. Paul McCartney.

Both his kids work at Virgin and one lives mostly in Necker Island. Hardly call that a normal job.
Two of Paul McCartney’s kids have very glamorous careers, his son is a not successful musician. I doubt he has a normal side job.