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Good to see the children of the rich and famous doing real jobs?

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mids2019 · 15/09/2024 05:38

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13850955/Jamie-Oliver-daughter-graphic-posts-social-media-work-nurse.html

OK I know she shouldn't have done the below but I actually find it refreshing that the children of of the rich and famous do real jobs and don't take advantage of nepotism. So many of the children of celebrities seem to become models or singers (though you haven't heard their music) it beggars belief.

I am glad some celeb offspring aren't too posh to do important jobs that maybe involve tough clinical conditions.

Jamie Oliver's daughter risks being disciplined for graphic posts

The 21-year-old has shared a series of graphic posts - which could be deemed unprofessional - on social media about her work and her patients.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13850955/Jamie-Oliver-daughter-graphic-posts-social-media-work-nurse.html

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Iwasafool · 15/09/2024 09:33

sleepyscientist · 15/09/2024 07:11

@mids2019 I do wonder if stopping it is a good thing. The kids of medics know what they are getting into, so I wonder if they are more likely to stick it out once in the NHS.

What's daisy has posted isn't really that bad, I've read worse in the many health care professionals diary like books that are published.

One of my kids is a nurse. I remember them coming home at Christmas in their first year and the number who had dropped out was high enough to shock me, I can't actually remember the number. Those places were wasted, people who would probably have made good nurses missed those spaces. Maybe Daisy posting the reality of what nursing is would mean applicants for nursing degrees having a more realistic idea of what it will be like. I do remember the main reason for dropout seemed to be "it wasn't what I expected." So what were they expecting.

Skate76 · 15/09/2024 09:33

xsquared · 15/09/2024 07:03

What's wrong with being a nurse?

I think you misread this post.

Tuddlepops · 15/09/2024 09:38

OpalSquid · 15/09/2024 06:53

You don’t have to be famous to be a nepo baby though.
It is rife everywhere, I’m a teacher, the teaching world is absolutely full of it. I got my first job because my dad was a ‘super head’ back when these existed - I didn’t even interview. The same for my brothers.
At one school I know, 5 of the 7 TAs are adult daughters of teaching staff.

Same where I am in private health. There's people related to bosses who really shouldn't be there. And they get the best rotas etc. Lots of nepotism. Their friends get the benefits too.

NOTANUM · 15/09/2024 09:40

Amanda Holden’s daughter is a natural beauty in my opinion, plus tall which is of course required. I can see her going far on merit.

CaptainCabinetsTrappedInCabinets · 15/09/2024 09:41

CharlotteStreetW1 · 15/09/2024 08:53

I heard that Peter Jones (Dragons Den) doesn't bankroll his kids as such but matches their salaries so yes they benefit from his wealth but not to the point that they don't need to work at all.

Yes, I've always thought his idea was great. If they work, he matches what they earn each month. If they aren't earning they get nothing.

CaptainCabinetsTrappedInCabinets · 15/09/2024 09:42

NOTANUM · 15/09/2024 09:40

Amanda Holden’s daughter is a natural beauty in my opinion, plus tall which is of course required. I can see her going far on merit.

Really? She looks like your average sulky teen. Jowelly in the face.

Monkey1z · 15/09/2024 09:43

OpalSquid · 15/09/2024 06:53

You don’t have to be famous to be a nepo baby though.
It is rife everywhere, I’m a teacher, the teaching world is absolutely full of it. I got my first job because my dad was a ‘super head’ back when these existed - I didn’t even interview. The same for my brothers.
At one school I know, 5 of the 7 TAs are adult daughters of teaching staff.

That’s a brave admission! I’m not being sarcastic even as most nepo babies will perform the most elaborate of mental gymnastics to prove they are there by talent alone.

and whilst I hate nepotism I love that you call it out as if there is one thing worse than losing out on opportunity, it’s being told that nepotism does not exist and having to conclude that you just didn’t have what it takes.

FeedingThem · 15/09/2024 09:50

Scenty · 15/09/2024 07:34

I think the Mail doing this is absolutely dreadful. That girl has done nothing to put herself in the public eye and to highlight her like this is just plain old nasty.

She won’t be the first or last of her generation to cross social media lines and I hope this is taken into account when disciplining her.

I feel desperately sorry for her and her parents who seem like decent people

Thought exactly the same. Will be lots of kids training in similar jobs posting similar stuff. Of course being ill because someone threw a pad in your face and you got shit in your mouth is a big deal if you're a student and therefore it's the kind of stuff they'd share on SM. Slap on the wrist if someone sees it, most likely won't and it'll be deleted as they learn better. But no, she's a FAMOUS BRAT so she deserves for her life to be ripped apart by the media

HotCrossBunplease · 15/09/2024 09:55

mids2019 · 15/09/2024 07:56

The schooling aspect is interesting. Is it the case the rich and famous invariably choose private schooling?

The McCartney kids famously went to state school. As in Stella and her siblings. Suspect that Beatrice is/was not in state.

I think that celeb kids are often sent private because private schools have better art/music/drama options and those families often value that, plus longer holidays mean more flexibility to go off on exotic trips all summer, plus of course the money is pocket money for them so why not. And they have more influence over school staff/policy, often by paying extra for a bursary here and there. And easier to arrange extra security if that is necessary.

DysonSphere · 15/09/2024 10:00

NOTANUM · 15/09/2024 09:40

Amanda Holden’s daughter is a natural beauty in my opinion, plus tall which is of course required. I can see her going far on merit.

She is very pretty.

Whether she is high fashion is another thing altogether. I do not see high fashion (not that she should give a flying F what I think, I certainly wouldn't if I were her)

High fashion modelling used to be refreshing for it's paradoxical exclusive-inclusivity. If you were born on a council estate but had the blessing of being born with all the right dimensions and had that stand out 'thing' you could be scouted at a gig or a shopping mall or send a picture of yourself into an agency and find yourself walking the runways in Paris. The talent would be as much in the scout finding you.

Sad that there's so much nepos taking PR and attention now, but this is literally how every covetous job position works it now seems.

TheWeeDonkeyFella · 15/09/2024 10:01

DysonSphere · 15/09/2024 09:31

Truthfully, if you went into hospital and were in an undignified position, (you couldn't change your pad or use the toilet or you had psychosis and acted out of character) and you recognised her as your nurse, would you now be comfortable with her getting up close and intimate with you?

There's a reason this sort of thing is discouraged. It erodes patient confidence in the staff treating them. That they will have dignity. That they're not being found to be gross or that their confidentiality and potentially embarrassing situations will not be aired. If she were joe blogs the damage would be limited. Few people know who they are. But being as she is more high profile I feel the ramifications for patients she treats in terms of their confidence, may be more serious.

I certainly don't think she should lose her placement over it. But I do think it is more serious than it would be if someone else did it.

Hopefully she's mortified that it's now in the papers and learns her lesson.

I agree @DysonSphere . We have to trust that medical professionals are looking at us, when we're most vulnerable, and thinking about their next SM post. Especially one who may have thousands more followers, including the press, just because they have famous family.

Also, and not saying this is the case with this young woman, but anyone looking for sm validation and praise that they're extra special or selfless for being a nurse or doing a less glamorous job might not really be a good fit for the job anyway.

Carriemac · 15/09/2024 10:05

BlueglassesBlondehair · 15/09/2024 08:22

At least she’s being honest about what the job involves. It’s an eye opener for some. Care work is on a similar level , I have friends literally forced by UC towards care roles which aren’t well paid and work conditions literally shit. I was told to consider it once I totally refused due to sensory issues as I can’t touch other people wash them feed them or clean up as I have autism luckily they accepted that. I think although Daisy has perhaps broken some rules people need to realise how hard these type of jobs are

She will have been well warned about social media posting when she stared uni and placements so pretty stupid to be posting stuff. And literally every healthcare worker I know has had worse things that a pad thrown at them and didn't feel the need to tell the world .

OpalSquid · 15/09/2024 10:06

Monkey1z · 15/09/2024 09:43

That’s a brave admission! I’m not being sarcastic even as most nepo babies will perform the most elaborate of mental gymnastics to prove they are there by talent alone.

and whilst I hate nepotism I love that you call it out as if there is one thing worse than losing out on opportunity, it’s being told that nepotism does not exist and having to conclude that you just didn’t have what it takes.

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I think we have to acknowledge the help we’ve had along the way.
I’ve been teaching years now and moved authority several times, I’ve proved myself but back when I started the fact I had a leg up was something I tried to hide.

FeedingThem · 15/09/2024 10:08

EI12 · 15/09/2024 08:21

Well, actually, not always. Richard Branson's daughter qualified as a doctor and then chucked the job. I always think of a place she denied to those really wanting to study medicine, knowing full well she did not need the job.

So should anyone with rich parents never work and demand their parents support them fully? I imagine she isn't the only person to do the training and decide she like it or life changes. And obviously it's much easier to leave if Daddy will support you, but still

the80sweregreat · 15/09/2024 10:09

My old work place thrived on nepotism and 'who you knew ' ( school, strangely enough )
New place isn't much different either!
It's rife and must be even easier if your parents have connections or a ' name ' already

LizzieVereker · 15/09/2024 10:09

Wow. The spite and personal comments on this thread about some very young people are horrible. Fair enough to call out nepotism when it’s ridiculous I suppose, but don’t most people of every class/profession try to help their kids? Over the years teaching teenagers I have known hundreds of electricians, builders, plumbers, hairdressers, even prison officers give or help their children into work with them.

And describing young women as “jowelly” “sulky” (based on seeing them on TV as a child) and saying that your own privately educated daughter is “howling” at her former classmates is really mean.

Monkey1z · 15/09/2024 10:13

The BBC have a terrible history of nepotism. Buddy Oliver and Matilda Ramsay cook shows particularly rile me as they are aimed at children who aspire to do similar and are funded by license payers money. The Matilda one was particularly bad as it showcased the family’s rich kid life style as well as cooking. As a funded body, the BBC should be obliged to not back nepotism. I know the programmes are made by production companies but the BBC commission and/or pay for them.

I groaned again when Ramsay’s son got a gig on a programme where kids explore their parents past. This is the son who joined the army and he was actually very aware of his privilege, explaining to Gordon that the route he’d taken to chef stardom isn’t there today for young people. He seemed like a nice chap.

Monkey1z · 15/09/2024 10:21

the80sweregreat · 15/09/2024 10:09

My old work place thrived on nepotism and 'who you knew ' ( school, strangely enough )
New place isn't much different either!
It's rife and must be even easier if your parents have connections or a ' name ' already

unfortunately school is still a better predictor of what someone will earn than university. Depressing as a working class, first generation university kid can work hard and still not reach their potential. Nepotism is one reason, soft skills and industry knowledge are others.

and for those thinking that nepotism is ok because a cleaner gets her daughter a cleaner’s job, well, that is a form of nepotism too but it doesn’t off set privilege maintaining privilege. Well paying, influential jobs going to the offspring of well paid, influential people is not a good thing as the power stays with the same small pool of people.

Gowlett · 15/09/2024 10:21

Isn’t Rocco Richie an artist, too?
Madonna was at his exhibition…

Nepo isn’t new, or exclusive to media / entertainment.
Life online is normal for kids now, anyway, no matter.

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 15/09/2024 10:21

EI12 · 15/09/2024 08:44

I will tell you how she denied somebody a place. In the same way one place was denied, for 2 years running, to somebody at the ........ University, because one applicant, whose mum is one of the directors of studies at the said university, spoke to the head of medical school and this boy was allowed 'to postpone' first year and then, 'unexpectedly' second year, because he has been accepted to represent the UK in one sport. The numbers on the course are limited each year. Each year the calculation was done based on the number, and so were the rejections of all applicants with the relevant BMATs and exam results.

But Richard Branson's daughter's case was different.
You are singling out someone who decided to change career, while a lot of people who complete medical studies never enter the profession, just like many students doing all sorts of other degrees change their mind, often before even completing the degrees. A friend of mine got accepted into a competitive course a few years back and realised halfway through she would have hated working in the environment. People do start medical studies for various reason, then see what the job looks like and decide to go elsewhere, just like many other high pressure jobs.

Happii · 15/09/2024 10:24

LizzieVereker · 15/09/2024 10:09

Wow. The spite and personal comments on this thread about some very young people are horrible. Fair enough to call out nepotism when it’s ridiculous I suppose, but don’t most people of every class/profession try to help their kids? Over the years teaching teenagers I have known hundreds of electricians, builders, plumbers, hairdressers, even prison officers give or help their children into work with them.

And describing young women as “jowelly” “sulky” (based on seeing them on TV as a child) and saying that your own privately educated daughter is “howling” at her former classmates is really mean.

Sure, can see why they do it, but it doesn't mean it's fair. Most of those professions you've listed require qualifications and you'd have to have a certain level of knowledge and competence to perform the jobs; people aren't going to hire an unqualified, unskilled plumber just because their dad was a plumber, are they? Lots of nepo babies aren't as skilled, aren't as talented as others who are competing for the same roles and that's the issue- they are certainly given platforms and opportunities purely because of their families. There are some actually talented ones who invariably people don't really criticise because although they had a leg up they prove themselves to be talented.

OrlandointheWilderness · 15/09/2024 10:28

@Iwasafool I am a third year student nurse. The drop out rate is 52% iirc. Your post sounds very much like you are blaming people who have dropped out - I've had some wonderful friends who have left, who would've made excellent nurses, because the course is insanely hard to juggle the work/placements/children/everyday life and money. Perhaps we need to not blame the student but query why a nursing degree is how it is?! I'm so so fortunate to be supported by my DP as I couldn't afford it otherwise and I've just had a year out as a couple of bad placement left with with very bad panic attacks. And I am really, really not the sort of person you would think would struggle with it.
I'm glad your DD is a nurse. But please don't think that everyone's journey through the degree is the same.

Illjusthavethebreadsticks · 15/09/2024 10:28

Silly little girl needs more respect for her patients. The pad thrower could well have had dementia. Grow up.

Iwasafool · 15/09/2024 10:33

OrlandointheWilderness · 15/09/2024 10:28

@Iwasafool I am a third year student nurse. The drop out rate is 52% iirc. Your post sounds very much like you are blaming people who have dropped out - I've had some wonderful friends who have left, who would've made excellent nurses, because the course is insanely hard to juggle the work/placements/children/everyday life and money. Perhaps we need to not blame the student but query why a nursing degree is how it is?! I'm so so fortunate to be supported by my DP as I couldn't afford it otherwise and I've just had a year out as a couple of bad placement left with with very bad panic attacks. And I am really, really not the sort of person you would think would struggle with it.
I'm glad your DD is a nurse. But please don't think that everyone's journey through the degree is the same.

I'm not blaming the people who drop out but if they haven't got the information about the reality of nursing and a nursing degree that's a shame as they have wasted months or maybe years, spent money on halls etc and wasted a place that someone else could have had. Knowledge is power and on my kids course there were people leaving as they didn't think doing things like cleaning up vomit was part of it.

Just wanted to add why do you assume it is my daughter who is a nurse? Haven't you met male nurses?

Luio · 15/09/2024 10:34

Plumbing has a lot of nepotism.

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