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Good to see the children of the rich and famous doing real jobs?

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mids2019 · 15/09/2024 05:38

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13850955/Jamie-Oliver-daughter-graphic-posts-social-media-work-nurse.html

OK I know she shouldn't have done the below but I actually find it refreshing that the children of of the rich and famous do real jobs and don't take advantage of nepotism. So many of the children of celebrities seem to become models or singers (though you haven't heard their music) it beggars belief.

I am glad some celeb offspring aren't too posh to do important jobs that maybe involve tough clinical conditions.

Jamie Oliver's daughter risks being disciplined for graphic posts

The 21-year-old has shared a series of graphic posts - which could be deemed unprofessional - on social media about her work and her patients.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13850955/Jamie-Oliver-daughter-graphic-posts-social-media-work-nurse.html

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Illjusthavethebreadsticks · 15/09/2024 12:00

@easylikeasundaymorn it's called respect

Newsenmum · 15/09/2024 12:09

HeartandSeoul · 15/09/2024 06:12

I’ll leave this here and say no more…..

Oh dear 🤣

LBFseBrom · 15/09/2024 12:58

LizzieVereker · Today 10:09
Wow. The spite and personal comments on this thread about some very young people are horrible. Fair enough to call out nepotism when it’s ridiculous I suppose, but don’t most people of every class/profession try to help their kids? Over the years teaching teenagers I have known hundreds of electricians, builders, plumbers, hairdressers, even prison officers give or help their children into work with them.

And describing young women as “jowelly” “sulky” (based on seeing them on TV as a child) and saying that your own privately educated daughter is “howling” at her former classmates is really mean.
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I agree.

Any one of us would give our children a leg up if we could and there is nothing at all wrong with that, it's normal.

redwinechocolateandsnacks · 15/09/2024 13:22

I work in Eduction and nepotism also employing friends of the family is rife. From someone who has very quickly got a senior post (without relevant qualifications or experience), the caretaker (with the extra bonus of a house) to lots of roles within classrooms (particularly learning support). I don't have much sympathy for Daisy and her 'look at me' posts.

StockpotSoup · 15/09/2024 13:23

I think the hatred of “nepo babies” is massively overplayed. So people who grow up with money behind them have more advantages - who knew! Are we supposed to push the reset button for every new generation? As many on this thread have said, fame often doesn’t come into it - and I’m way more concerned about the Head of Gynaecology’s daughter getting to the top of the list for a medical placement than I am about Chloe Madeley or Bianca Gascgoine getting on some third-rate reality show.

A large number of people on this thread seem to have assumed that celebrity children have taken opportunities that would otherwise have been open to talented unknowns - and have become very aerated about this. Is it really true, though, in most cases? While it’s laughable that Brooklyn Beckham got his book of pathetic photographs published at the age of 18, do you really think the publishers were just dying to produce the work of a super-talented, unknown teen photographer? Of course they weren’t. Yes, Brooklyn Beckham got that opportunity because he was the son of famous parents - but the opportunity only existed in the first place because of that. He didn’t take it from anyone else, and the publishers didn’t offer it because they were scared of the pull of the Beckhams. They wanted to publish the book as much as BB wanted to get it published.

The same goes for the models who are celebrity children. Modelling agencies don’t have limited roles available, turning down stunners in favour of giving “the place” to Amanda Holden’s daughter. A successful modelling agency takes on as many of the best candidates as they can - and if those models don’t get booked, they don’t get paid. The story of “This girl is Liam Gallagher’s daughter!” earns money in itself through the publicity - it’s as valuable to the agency as it is to the model, if not way more so. But you’ll only get booked so many times in a modelling career based on your name.

You can’t control the circumstances you are born into. So why should celebrity children feel obliged to do the whole “ever so ‘umble, guvnor” routine? Even if they do go for “ordinary” jobs, they get criticised if it doesn’t work out perfectly - just look at the digs at Richard Branson’s daughter. Do you really think she was the first person to give up medicine? She was damned if she lived off her father, but has been damned again on this thread for NOT doing that and therefore apparently depriving someone else of their place. What was she supposed to do?

Being born into this kind of privilege might sound great, but it seems like it comes at the price of being told you’re a useless leech if you trade on your name in any way, yet being criticised for not just living off your parents if your attempts at an ordinary job don’t work out.

Monkey1z · 15/09/2024 13:55

LBFseBrom · 15/09/2024 12:58

LizzieVereker · Today 10:09
Wow. The spite and personal comments on this thread about some very young people are horrible. Fair enough to call out nepotism when it’s ridiculous I suppose, but don’t most people of every class/profession try to help their kids? Over the years teaching teenagers I have known hundreds of electricians, builders, plumbers, hairdressers, even prison officers give or help their children into work with them.

And describing young women as “jowelly” “sulky” (based on seeing them on TV as a child) and saying that your own privately educated daughter is “howling” at her former classmates is really mean.
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I agree.

Any one of us would give our children a leg up if we could and there is nothing at all wrong with that, it's normal.

Exactly. Because parents look out for their own, there should be broader structures that control this and apply regulations to ensure that entry is open to all
on a fair and equitable basis especially when we are talking about publicly funded institutions like schools, hospitals, the civil service, Parliament and the BBC. Otherwise it’s a case of ‘hey plebs, we want your money to fund us but don’t go thinking you are worthy of an input into decision making or a salary out of the institution. Your money is good enough but you are not’.

Oncemoreuntothebreachmother · 15/09/2024 13:55

Vintagevixen · 15/09/2024 08:24

Even if they are reasonably talented as, say, an actress there are loads of other non-nepo kids equally as talented.

However, those others have to pay rent, bills, travel and feed themselves. Celeb kids NEVER have to worry about that. That alone gives them a massive advantage.

I often think of McQueen and how talented he was, I don't think a McQueen could rise through the ranks these days. He came from a really poor background, a similar kid these days would be crowded out by nepo kids and the lack of free education/finances/ways to support yourself . It's a pity.

I was at CSM ~10 years ago doing a course McQueen did, with tutors who had known him well.
There were many internstional students - especially Chinese students with mega rich parents paying a great deal for their education (and who did minimal attendance/work onsite but turned up with professionally finished collections at deadline time).

Lots of very amazingly talented home and foreign students too, but yes, I felt sad that a Mcqueen may have lost a slot to the high fee paying international elite now.

Waterboatlass · 15/09/2024 14:08

CaptainCabinetsTrappedInCabinets · 15/09/2024 09:42

Really? She looks like your average sulky teen. Jowelly in the face.

Why would you describe a teenage girl as jowelly?

CaptainCabinetsTrappedInCabinets · 15/09/2024 14:13

Waterboatlass · 15/09/2024 14:08

Why would you describe a teenage girl as jowelly?

I'm sorry I wasn't aware this word was reserved only for certain people.

HotCrossBunplease · 15/09/2024 14:26

Waterboatlass · 15/09/2024 14:08

Why would you describe a teenage girl as jowelly?

Maybe she bears an uncanny resemblance to the late Tessa Jowell?

NOTANUM · 15/09/2024 14:26

Jowelly not a kind word especially when aimed at a young impressionable girl. I was the one who said she’s very beautiful and I stand by it but perception differs from person to person of course.

HotCrossBunplease · 15/09/2024 14:38

NOTANUM · 15/09/2024 14:26

Jowelly not a kind word especially when aimed at a young impressionable girl. I was the one who said she’s very beautiful and I stand by it but perception differs from person to person of course.

It’s not a word full stop.

They are jowls not jowells. The adjective would be jowly.

Tralalaka · 15/09/2024 14:39

Nepotism is rife and why wouldn’t you use it if you could. DS needed a placement for his sandwich year. I asked around as I knew people who worked in the area he was interested in. One gave him the placement but once he was in there it was up to him and they’ve offered him a job for post graduation

I’ve also just put a friend of DS who is struggling to get a law training contract infront of a friend of DP who owns a law firm, he isn’t taking anyone on at the moment but he made a call to one of his friends and now DS friend has a training contract

happens all the time

justasking111 · 15/09/2024 14:51

Nurses have to deal with some awful things. I was in A&E a few years ago. Curtain between me and an elderly gentleman in pain with impacted bowels. I heard the nurse talk kindly to the man as she manually evacuated him. I heard the abuse he threw at her as she did this, I had seen him before the curtains were drawn, he was a big fella around 20 stone, nurse 8 stones wet. The smell was unbelievable. He was so awful to her, she was so calming.

I've never forgotten that.

justasking111 · 15/09/2024 14:53

HotCrossBunplease · 15/09/2024 14:38

It’s not a word full stop.

They are jowls not jowells. The adjective would be jowly.

Reminds me of Dickens, he talked of jowly

Aydel · 15/09/2024 15:11

@LizzieVereker DD was howling at the art. Not her former classmate.

Happii · 15/09/2024 15:57

Tralalaka · 15/09/2024 14:39

Nepotism is rife and why wouldn’t you use it if you could. DS needed a placement for his sandwich year. I asked around as I knew people who worked in the area he was interested in. One gave him the placement but once he was in there it was up to him and they’ve offered him a job for post graduation

I’ve also just put a friend of DS who is struggling to get a law training contract infront of a friend of DP who owns a law firm, he isn’t taking anyone on at the moment but he made a call to one of his friends and now DS friend has a training contract

happens all the time

It doesn't mean it's fair though, does it? I can well imagine you don't see the issue because you and your family are seemingly benefitting from nepotism and networks. I'm sure if you were in a different position and your children worked their socks off to lose out on placements or jobs to people who's parents put in a good word for them you wouldn't be quite as supportive of it.

Tralalaka · 15/09/2024 16:03

Happii · 15/09/2024 15:57

It doesn't mean it's fair though, does it? I can well imagine you don't see the issue because you and your family are seemingly benefitting from nepotism and networks. I'm sure if you were in a different position and your children worked their socks off to lose out on placements or jobs to people who's parents put in a good word for them you wouldn't be quite as supportive of it.

But it works all ways. I couldn’t get my child work experience in plumbing or electrics or gardening or things because I don’t have those connections. Why on earth would I say to my kids, I could help you but I won’t because that’s not fair on other kids. I can open doors for them. What I can’t do is keep them there, that’s up to them

Happii · 15/09/2024 16:11

Tralalaka · 15/09/2024 16:03

But it works all ways. I couldn’t get my child work experience in plumbing or electrics or gardening or things because I don’t have those connections. Why on earth would I say to my kids, I could help you but I won’t because that’s not fair on other kids. I can open doors for them. What I can’t do is keep them there, that’s up to them

Of course, I didn't say I couldn't understand why people did it, but that it isn't fair, which it isn't. For professionals with a decent income (which are the careers its most rife in) their child could easily afford to do those qualifications at college of which there isn't such a scramble for places and almost guaranteed work at the end of it. Having wealthy or parents in progressional jobs will always be an advantage, again not saying those children shouldn't have that, but still doesn't mean it's fair.

Skate76 · 15/09/2024 18:27

xsquared · 15/09/2024 11:43

I don't think so. Why do you think that?

Poster seems to suggest that Daisy can afford to do a lesser paid job because of her dad's wealth.

No, she suggets that because she has a rich dad she's able to take the financial burden of being trained. You need money to train as a nurse, it's not blooming free 🤷‍♀️

MattDamon · 15/09/2024 18:39

CharlotteStreetW1 · 15/09/2024 08:53

I heard that Peter Jones (Dragons Den) doesn't bankroll his kids as such but matches their salaries so yes they benefit from his wealth but not to the point that they don't need to work at all.

Oh wow, great idea. If only the Beckhams had done similar...

Lovethatforyouhun · 15/09/2024 18:44

Yet Jamie Oliver’s son has his own cooking show 😂

Toddlerteaplease · 15/09/2024 19:21

If she does that again, she'll be off the course!

xsquared · 15/09/2024 19:42

Skate76 · 15/09/2024 18:27

No, she suggets that because she has a rich dad she's able to take the financial burden of being trained. You need money to train as a nurse, it's not blooming free 🤷‍♀️

Like a lot of jobs then, that require a degree or professional qualification?

Anyway, I still think it's an odd comment.

Longleggedblond · 15/09/2024 19:47

As a nurse I am surprised Miss Oliver has time to take selfies. I thoughtbthey were run off their feet on the wards. We didn't have time to go to the loo when I was training.