Women are banned from talking in public

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Women through new laws issued by Afghanistan’s Taliban rulers, are now banned on speaking in public as a woman's voice is considered "intimate" and should not be heard. I feel so sad and helpless for their situation. At least I am educated and in this situation would try to limit birth control without my husband being aware of my actions, if I could.
Does anyone know how they can be helped?

There's been a big push in Birmingham for a number of years. I don't live there anymore so I don't know how it's going, but at one point there was a suggestion that we could have Sharia law alongside UK law. There are Sharia courts in Birmingham and I personally know women who have been "sentenced" in such "courts".

I assume it's not just Birmingham where this happens, but I don't know for sure.

The issue of refugees/asylum seekers is a very complex issue, and one with no easy solution. I would definitely prioritise women (and girls) from these regimes.

What were they sentenced for? With regards to the shariah courts you mention in Birmingham do you mean the services offered for those seeking an end to marriage?

The pro-Palestine marches are about putting pressure on the U.K. government to change its policy on Israel - and it seems to be working with the recent discussions about suspending arms exports.

Can you point out where the U.K. gov is supporting the Taliban-led government of Afghanistan?

https://www.foxnews.com/world/protesters-germany-call-islamic-fundamentalism-caliphate-solution

There was a huge rally in Hamburg in May calling for a Caliphate to be set up in Germany complete with Sharia Law!

Link is from Fox news but there is lots of articles online re this including many from German newspapers. Many don't seem to want to integrate ... They want to set up the same situation they say they are fleeing from.. make it make sense!
Look at the photos of the rally, plenty of videos online... all men.

I wonder what they will do next when women start dying in droves there due to:

• physical illness
• childbirth
• mental illnesses
• starvation (due to not having any male relatives)
• physical abuse
• house "accidents" because they couldn't read the bottle and didn't know (or care) why you shouldn't mix various chemicals together

That's not at all comparable and it's pretty offensive to suggest that one court case about a trans person is any way comparable to the entire female population of a country having all of their human rights removed, even the right to speak in public.

Not everything is about the trans debate. You're not the fucking victim here.

Being victims of domestic abuse.

No, I'm not talking about marriage counselling services.

Are you seriously not aware that there's a push for Sharia Law in the UK (and other places - as a pp above points out)? Did you assume that Islamists are happy to abide by UK law that gives their women actual rights and freedoms?

@flymetoalphacentauri Humans you mean. Look up people like Shanda Vander Ark.

@Istilldontlikeolives another article about the calls for Sharia Law in Germany

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-olaf-scholz-calls-consequences-following-islamist-rally/

I think that countries around the world should be offering asylum to all women and their children under the age of 16 from Afghanistan. What is happening is state persecution and makes them eligible for international asylum so there should be a concerted effort to get them out.

Pro-Palestine marches are pro-Palestine. Which means pro-Islamism and pro-Hamas. I appreciate many people reject that formulation because they simply want to take sides with Palestinian people. But that is the message more generally. Especially compounded with the rise in anti-semitism concurrent with these protests. And the fact that Hamas literally wants to wipe out Israel.

Personally. I'm on Israel's side. I'm not happy about the excesses on either side, and I wish it wasn't happening at all. But since it is happening, I have to support the West because I want my daughters to live in a world where they have a voice, education, freedom, legal rights, opportunities etc.

It seems hypocritical to me, or maybe just not thought through, that thousands will march against Israel but claim to be outraged on behalf of the women of Afghanistan. If Israel is destroyed, all of the middle east will be Afghanistan for women.

Absolutely & why do Afghan men think it's acceptable to leave them there instead of rebelling against their government & demanding change?
There is no way any Afghan women will be allowed reunite with her husband in Europe, she is not allowed speak in the street how will she be allowed cross borders into any other country? More questions must be asked of the men who flee, why do they consider their lives more important than women & girls?

An unpopular opinion in these weird times but I'm with you!

I agree with this. I'd even go so far as to say we should go in and get them out. But of course that would mean another war.

@wrongthinker that’s fine you’re entitled to your opinion. I was just pointing out why people demonstrate over Palestine but not Afghanistan (or Ukraine or Myanmar): when your government already agrees with you on the situation and is broadly aligned, then protests aimed at putting pressure on the government are redundant.

Pretty much the only purpose of a shariah court in the uk is to dissolve the nikkah which is the Islamic wedding contract.
It's mostly women who's husbands don't want to divorce them who approach them.

I think other faiths have a similar "courts" set up too.

Yes there are some vocal idiots within the Muslim communities but the Muslim community in the UK is small (and fairly fractured. They can't even agree with each other on which day to celebrate Eid even) and the vocal lunatics don't have much support so the UK would be up against such a tiny number that it wouldn't have any other impact than to rile people.

This thread was meant to be about Afghan women, but as usual, any thread to do with anything related to Muslims just becomes a bashing exercise.

But shariah law has no legal standing in this country so what exactly were these women being sentenced for? What was the punishment? How was it enforced? Who was doing the sentencing? My understanding of shariah councils in this country are to give advice mostly related to marriage issues and that they are mostly used by women.

I looked up what work afghan women are allowed to do lo and behold health care I take that means nurses,doctors,surgeons skilled jobs that the thick heathens can't do.
The not allowed talking, going to a park,no tech devices..the list goes on with these absurd abuse's.

I'm not bashing Muslims. That's a bit unfair and seems like a good way to silence criticisms of regimes and ideologies that are violent, destructive, genocidal, misogynist etc. I know lots of lovely Muslim individuals. That doesn't stop me from understanding the terror and hatred of Islamism, and the disproportionate influence it seems to hold over decision makers.

I'm sure the overwhelming majority of women in Afghanistan would call themselves Muslim, if they were allowed to speak. It's not Muslim-bashing to be on the side of women. Is it?

Afghanistan has never done Islam properly. If Saudi weren’t funding them they should just denounce the lot as non-muslims because nobe if their practices are quranic in the slightest

The women I know were victims of abuse told to support and stay with their abusers.

Here's an article for you which covers both points of view: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/mar/01/inside-britains-sharia-councils-hardline-and-anti-women-or-a-dignified-way-to-divorce

I disagree wholeheartedly.
Afghanistan & women are ruled by Sharia Law under the Taliban. Thousands are calling for caliphates & Sharia Law accross Europe.
I think this is very relevant to this discussion, if women in Afghanistan are to have any hope Sharia Law needs to be abolished & Afghani men need to revolt & stand up to the regime.
@OnBoardTheHeartOfGold there are millions of Afghani men here in Europe how would you suggest they advocate for their female counterparts here in Europe? There is lots they could do if they want equality for Afghani men & women. Do they want it is the question? And if so why are they here & why have they abandoned girls & women?

https://www.rferl.org/a/afghanistan-taliban-restrictions-single-women-widows/32799903.html

What?

That can't be true. Surely?