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Women are banned from talking in public

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Washingupdone · 26/08/2024 13:13

Women through new laws issued by Afghanistan’s Taliban rulers, are now banned on speaking in public as a woman's voice is considered "intimate" and should not be heard. I feel so sad and helpless for their situation. At least I am educated and in this situation would try to limit birth control without my husband being aware of my actions, if I could.
Does anyone know how they can be helped?

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Butwhybecause · 27/08/2024 09:32

VOTENONOO · 27/08/2024 09:21

I disagree wholeheartedly.
Afghanistan & women are ruled by Sharia Law under the Taliban. Thousands are calling for caliphates & Sharia Law accross Europe.
I think this is very relevant to this discussion, if women in Afghanistan are to have any hope Sharia Law needs to be abolished & Afghani men need to revolt & stand up to the regime.
@OnBoardTheHeartOfGold there are millions of Afghani men here in Europe how would you suggest they advocate for their female counterparts here in Europe? There is lots they could do if they want equality for Afghani men & women. Do they want it is the question? And if so why are they here & why have they abandoned girls & women?

And if so why are they here & why have they abandoned girls & women?
Some are here because they worked for British troops in Afghanistan.

They are refugees from the regime there and have brought their wives and children with them.

It's getting worse over there, truly dreadful that this can happen in the 21st century.

Istilldontlikeolives · 27/08/2024 09:34

wrongthinker · 27/08/2024 09:20

The women I know were victims of abuse told to support and stay with their abusers.

Here's an article for you which covers both points of view: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/mar/01/inside-britains-sharia-councils-hardline-and-anti-women-or-a-dignified-way-to-divorce

Thanks, you are confusing me though. You are against the idea of shariah law, you say that mosques in this country are pushing for shariah law to be introduced here (but you don’t name the mosques) then you send an article highlighting the benefits of such councils which as I mentioned, support in marriage issues, with only a couple of examples of negative experiences. Perhaps if these kind of shariah councils were in Afghanistan there would not be such an issue with the awful things that happen there.
Edit to add that of course noone should be advised to continue in an abusive situation. It is wrong to comment without knowing the details of each case though. I’m still interested to know what their sentence was though, unless you mean that it was simply to go back home and continue with the marriage? But then, it is not legally binding advice so the person in question is free to seek advice elsewhere too are they not?

Shakeoffyourchains · 27/08/2024 09:38

HermioneWeasley · 26/08/2024 14:20

I’m awaiting the marches in every major city and the occupation of university campuses in solidarity with these Muslim women any minute now. All the people who claim to care so much about Gaza’s women and children will surely be outraged? I expect there’s a lot of threads about this that I’ve just missed.

Why not organise one yourself instead of waiting for others to act on your behalf?

VOTENONOO · 27/08/2024 09:38

Butwhybecause · 27/08/2024 09:32

And if so why are they here & why have they abandoned girls & women?
Some are here because they worked for British troops in Afghanistan.

They are refugees from the regime there and have brought their wives and children with them.

It's getting worse over there, truly dreadful that this can happen in the 21st century.

There are millions of young, healthy Afghan men who came to Europe on their own leaving women & children to fend for themselves which is impossible as they were not even allowed leave the front door unaccompanied.

Nanny0gg · 27/08/2024 09:38

ruffler45 · 26/08/2024 15:35

Sounds like they have turned the clock back a thousand years.

No. Only about 50. Western dress was normal back in the 70s. As was women being educated.

EmpressOfTheThread · 27/08/2024 09:39

Nanny0gg · 27/08/2024 09:38

No. Only about 50. Western dress was normal back in the 70s. As was women being educated.

Yes, all those pictures from Iran and Afghanistan from the 70s are heartbreaking. Women had freedoms they can only dream about now.

VOTENONOO · 27/08/2024 09:40

Shakeoffyourchains · 27/08/2024 09:38

Why not organise one yourself instead of waiting for others to act on your behalf?

I think the millions of Afghan men in Europe who have fled the Taliban leaving women & girls behind should be the ones organising the marchs & protests to advocate for the Afghani women they left behind, don't you?

VOTENONOO · 27/08/2024 09:41

EmpressOfTheThread · 27/08/2024 09:39

Yes, all those pictures from Iran and Afghanistan from the 70s are heartbreaking. Women had freedoms they can only dream about now.

So sad, the Iranian & Afghani women are absolutely beautiful, it's horrendous what they are forced to endure.

Nanny0gg · 27/08/2024 09:42

BobbyBiscuits · 26/08/2024 22:59

@XChrome yeah it's horrific. It's like the only way they could leave would be to disguise themselves as men? But then they'd probably be forced to join the army or something?
Most Muslims would be horrified by this level of control over women.

Are they denouncing it?

EasternStandard · 27/08/2024 09:43

EmpressOfTheThread · 27/08/2024 09:39

Yes, all those pictures from Iran and Afghanistan from the 70s are heartbreaking. Women had freedoms they can only dream about now.

It must be awful to have had that freedom then see your daughters and grandaughters severely oppressed to near hostage status

As a regime it is something to be feared imo. Whether all men believe in it Idk but the ones that do, I would be fearful of their thinking and actions

butterbeansauce · 27/08/2024 09:50

WonkyLime · 27/08/2024 00:21

I'm not sure that's comparable. No US state has taken away a woman's right to simply exist; to be seen or to be heard. Banning abortion, absolutely despicable decision making, but it's really not in the same league as what's happening in Afghanistan, where not just one right has been taken away, but literally the right to exist as an autonomous entity.

Yes but every woman who votes for politicians who agree with this is voting for this stuff. If you take away women's reproductive rights and rights to divorce then you're not far away from her not being able to make her own decisions about her life.

How many women actually voted for Trump who said he wanted to overthrow Roe v Wade?

LoobyDoop2 · 27/08/2024 09:52

VOTENONOO · 26/08/2024 22:59

Well we should, these men say they are here because they are escaping the Taliban regieme. The world is watching on in horror as Afghan women are no longer allowed use their voice in public.
The millions of Afghan men accross Europe need to stand together & shout on behalf of all girls & women in Afghanistan. They can see how us women live in western culture surely they can compare & contrast.

If they cared, as soon as they got to a safe country they’d be asking for help to arm themselves so they could take their country back and free their mothers, wives, sisters and daughters. I haven’t heard much about that.

Butwhybecause · 27/08/2024 09:52

VOTENONOO · 27/08/2024 09:38

There are millions of young, healthy Afghan men who came to Europe on their own leaving women & children to fend for themselves which is impossible as they were not even allowed leave the front door unaccompanied.

Yes, true.
The ones near here are the refugee families.

It's a dreadful situation

butterbeansauce · 27/08/2024 09:53

VOTENONOO · 27/08/2024 09:38

There are millions of young, healthy Afghan men who came to Europe on their own leaving women & children to fend for themselves which is impossible as they were not even allowed leave the front door unaccompanied.

What the hell happens to those women who are widows or single women without families? Do they just starve?

Eldrick47s · 27/08/2024 09:53

Look at those beautiful dresses hanging (the one on the right especially), yet look at the garb they are forced to wear. It's so sad seeing them subjected like this.

LoobyDoop2 · 27/08/2024 10:01

wrongthinker · 27/08/2024 08:57

Pro-Palestine marches are pro-Palestine. Which means pro-Islamism and pro-Hamas. I appreciate many people reject that formulation because they simply want to take sides with Palestinian people. But that is the message more generally. Especially compounded with the rise in anti-semitism concurrent with these protests. And the fact that Hamas literally wants to wipe out Israel.

Personally. I'm on Israel's side. I'm not happy about the excesses on either side, and I wish it wasn't happening at all. But since it is happening, I have to support the West because I want my daughters to live in a world where they have a voice, education, freedom, legal rights, opportunities etc.

It seems hypocritical to me, or maybe just not thought through, that thousands will march against Israel but claim to be outraged on behalf of the women of Afghanistan. If Israel is destroyed, all of the middle east will be Afghanistan for women.

And last time I checked, Israel wasn’t systematically erasing the human rights of the female population.

VOTENONOO · 27/08/2024 10:04

LoobyDoop2 · 27/08/2024 09:52

If they cared, as soon as they got to a safe country they’d be asking for help to arm themselves so they could take their country back and free their mothers, wives, sisters and daughters. I haven’t heard much about that.

Exactly or using interpretation to get the message out... They should be taking to the streets advocating for their women & raising awareness about exactly what life is life under Taliban rule...
The millions of Afghan men in Europe are here as they are fleeing persecution but they are doing nothing to advocate for their Afghani women. They have no excuse, if Afghani men in the west won't use every tool at their disposal to fight for women's rights in Afghanistan what hope do we have?

VOTENONOO · 27/08/2024 10:06

butterbeansauce · 27/08/2024 09:53

What the hell happens to those women who are widows or single women without families? Do they just starve?

I'd imagine so, they can't leave their homes without a male chaperone, how can all those men just up & leave the women? Young, healthy men.. They are making it so easy for the Taliban.

cupcaske123 · 27/08/2024 10:09

LoobyDoop2 · 27/08/2024 10:01

And last time I checked, Israel wasn’t systematically erasing the human rights of the female population.

Israel is currently killing women and girls. They are being raped and tortured by Israeli soldiers. 40,000 Palestinians have died, many of which are women and children. To suggest that Israel is some kind of force for good or makes women safe is surely a sick joke.

Shakeoffyourchains · 27/08/2024 10:10

VOTENONOO · 27/08/2024 09:40

I think the millions of Afghan men in Europe who have fled the Taliban leaving women & girls behind should be the ones organising the marchs & protests to advocate for the Afghani women they left behind, don't you?

No, as I said, if you feel strongly enough about the situation you should take action yourself.

If you're just going to wait for other people to do what you think needs done you'll be sitting around for a long time.

YogaForDummies · 27/08/2024 10:12

OnBoardTheHeartOfGold · 26/08/2024 13:43

I just don't understand this. There is nothing Islamic about it.
Islamically, men and women have a duty to be educated. It's not just a right, but obligatory.
These poor women are not allowed any education beyond the very basic.

And there is no justification for the covered dress either.

Do these idiotic despicable men have no sisters, mothers or wives? Their hatred for them must run deep.

Give over, Islam and the majority of other religions owe their success to the unrestrained oppression of women. The most successful religions are the best at oppressing women as the ultimate resource and that is a fact.

SweetShreddedCoconut · 27/08/2024 10:13

When you google Afghanistan women and see the freedoms women used to have . It must be heartbreaking for those women who knew those days .

MrsSkylerWhite · 27/08/2024 10:16

flymetoalphacentauri
Under 3s could go. After about that age they're subject to toxic male socialisation which they all absorb by osmosis“

What a stupid statement.

VOTENONOO · 27/08/2024 10:17

Shakeoffyourchains · 27/08/2024 10:10

No, as I said, if you feel strongly enough about the situation you should take action yourself.

If you're just going to wait for other people to do what you think needs done you'll be sitting around for a long time.

Well there are millions of Afghan men here in Europe who have seen the way women are persecuted first hand. Strength in numbers, why have these millions of Afghan men not started protests, advocating online, with politicans against the plight of Afghan me.
Also you didn't ask me directly, you referred to another poster but I am very angry & quite frankly baffled at the influx of young, male Afghan men deserting these poor women who cannot leave their homes without a male chaperone... When they get to European soil they do sweet fuck all to raise awareness or fight back against the regime. Why???
These are not "other people" as you refer to them, they are Afghani male citizens who have fled persecution, left women behind to die but are doing nothing to change the situation.. It is up to the Afghani's who escaped to demand the change they want in their country... if they want it.

cupcaske123 · 27/08/2024 10:38

VOTENONOO · 27/08/2024 10:17

Well there are millions of Afghan men here in Europe who have seen the way women are persecuted first hand. Strength in numbers, why have these millions of Afghan men not started protests, advocating online, with politicans against the plight of Afghan me.
Also you didn't ask me directly, you referred to another poster but I am very angry & quite frankly baffled at the influx of young, male Afghan men deserting these poor women who cannot leave their homes without a male chaperone... When they get to European soil they do sweet fuck all to raise awareness or fight back against the regime. Why???
These are not "other people" as you refer to them, they are Afghani male citizens who have fled persecution, left women behind to die but are doing nothing to change the situation.. It is up to the Afghani's who escaped to demand the change they want in their country... if they want it.

I find it a bit disingenuous for people to be surprised men brought up in fundamental Islam will become instantly liberalised as soon as they hit Western shores. That men brought up in a patriarchal religion where women are viewed as inferior will suddenly start campaigning for women's rights.

Don't hold your breath.

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