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Werweisswohin · 26/08/2024 12:55

Janesygal · 26/08/2024 12:52

Well then stop making statements if you have no idea how you would stop the spread of ISIS which is posing a huge threat to you, me & all of society.
Surely you have an opinion on how you would prevent young teens from becoming radicalised by the Islamic state?

I'll make any statements I feel necessary.

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Werweisswohin · 26/08/2024 12:57

EasternStandard · 26/08/2024 12:52

I'm not sure there exists an approach hence the non answer

But if politicians go with do nothing they may find other parties growing to take their share

'Their share'?
No party is automatically entitled to any 'share'.

Janesygal · 26/08/2024 12:57

Werweisswohin · 26/08/2024 12:55

I'll make any statements I feel necessary.

Keep going as you are making yourself appear very foolish with your unnecessary statements which have no factual evidence or even opinion attached!

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EasternStandard · 26/08/2024 12:58

Werweisswohin · 26/08/2024 12:57

'Their share'?
No party is automatically entitled to any 'share'.

Yes I know hence other parties growing if issues are not addressed

Werweisswohin · 26/08/2024 12:59

Janesygal · 26/08/2024 12:56

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/27202820/spanish-cops-isis-threat-champions-league/

Champions League targeted... Taylor Swift targeted.. Why is this happening. Why is Islamic state so hell bent of causing carnage in Europe? Why aren't governments doing all in their power to prevent this?

ISiS is the threat, not immigration itself.

ertia · 26/08/2024 12:59

terror attacks in the UK and Europe tend to be carried out by Isis and often carried out by asylum seekers. We don't generally experience terror attacks carried out by other religious groups, such as Ukrainian Christians. That's just factual, but some parts of the media consider expressing this fact is islamophobia or extreme right ideology.

Werweisswohin · 26/08/2024 13:00

EasternStandard · 26/08/2024 12:58

Yes I know hence other parties growing if issues are not addressed

It's clear what sort of party the AfD is though, they are not the answer.

Werweisswohin · 26/08/2024 13:02

ertia · 26/08/2024 12:59

terror attacks in the UK and Europe tend to be carried out by Isis and often carried out by asylum seekers. We don't generally experience terror attacks carried out by other religious groups, such as Ukrainian Christians. That's just factual, but some parts of the media consider expressing this fact is islamophobia or extreme right ideology.

Have you not studied very much UK history then? Are you familiar with the IRA etc?

EasternStandard · 26/08/2024 13:03

Werweisswohin · 26/08/2024 13:00

It's clear what sort of party the AfD is though, they are not the answer.

Well that's what you might face if politicians make weak claims about a change in stance but do nothing

People can see it happening and yet no discussion on what to do

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 26/08/2024 13:06

The Syrian attacker in Solingen was supposed to have been deported last year. He was a failed asylum seeker. My presumption, and this has not been reported anywhere so I’m just pulling a rabbit out of my hat, is that native countries (in this case Syria, hot mess that it is anyway) deny re-entry to their own citizens and the host country is stuck with this failed asylum seeker who is wanted nowhere (I don’t write this with any sympathy or emotion, just as a matter of fact). How on earth do policymakers even approach the magnitude of the problem that is immigration post Arab Spring and all its dashed dreams that have aided in shaping today’s nightmares (among a myriad of other regional problems in the Levant/ME)?

And it’s fine bringing up Viktor Orban’s approach to immigration. His stance is interesting. He is interesting. It could be argued that his stance is the correct one, given the reality that Hungary doesn’t have the economic means, strength, labour market, or even infrastructure to support a mass influx of migrants from war torn countries. Orban is as hardline about Ukrainians as he is about Syrians for example. His country cannot economically cope with a mass influx of refugees/migrants. Hungary is a poor country.

Does any country have the capacity to do what Germany did years ago? Does Germany, really? Who knows. But Germany is the economic heart of Europe that, let’s not forget, survived reunification (enormous achievement and enormous struggle all at once). It’s also a country in chronic need of a replenished labour force. I’m sure that this was a deciding factor when opening the floodgates to Syrian refugees years ago.

As for these terror-linked crimes bleeding Germans of their right to safety, tougher knife laws and more deportation will be the rhetoric. But what will the solution be? AfD might go with final solution type drivel. AfD is not the cavalry coming over the hill. Where is the cavalry? is a good question though.

ertia · 26/08/2024 13:07

obviously I'm talking about the ongoing situation and recent (couple of days ago) terrorist incidents. We had the good Friday agreement in 1998 and the IRA ceasefire in 2005. But carry on with the whatabouttery and minimising islamic terrorism....

inamarina · 26/08/2024 13:12

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 26/08/2024 13:06

The Syrian attacker in Solingen was supposed to have been deported last year. He was a failed asylum seeker. My presumption, and this has not been reported anywhere so I’m just pulling a rabbit out of my hat, is that native countries (in this case Syria, hot mess that it is anyway) deny re-entry to their own citizens and the host country is stuck with this failed asylum seeker who is wanted nowhere (I don’t write this with any sympathy or emotion, just as a matter of fact). How on earth do policymakers even approach the magnitude of the problem that is immigration post Arab Spring and all its dashed dreams that have aided in shaping today’s nightmares (among a myriad of other regional problems in the Levant/ME)?

And it’s fine bringing up Viktor Orban’s approach to immigration. His stance is interesting. He is interesting. It could be argued that his stance is the correct one, given the reality that Hungary doesn’t have the economic means, strength, labour market, or even infrastructure to support a mass influx of migrants from war torn countries. Orban is as hardline about Ukrainians as he is about Syrians for example. His country cannot economically cope with a mass influx of refugees/migrants. Hungary is a poor country.

Does any country have the capacity to do what Germany did years ago? Does Germany, really? Who knows. But Germany is the economic heart of Europe that, let’s not forget, survived reunification (enormous achievement and enormous struggle all at once). It’s also a country in chronic need of a replenished labour force. I’m sure that this was a deciding factor when opening the floodgates to Syrian refugees years ago.

As for these terror-linked crimes bleeding Germans of their right to safety, tougher knife laws and more deportation will be the rhetoric. But what will the solution be? AfD might go with final solution type drivel. AfD is not the cavalry coming over the hill. Where is the cavalry? is a good question though.

I read that he was supposed to be deported to Bulgaria, because that’s where he had entered the EU.
I also read that Germany is now considering deportations to Syria and Afghanistan whereas before those countries weren’t considered safe for asylum seekers to be returned to.

Vivi0 · 26/08/2024 13:12

Werweisswohin · 26/08/2024 13:02

Have you not studied very much UK history then? Are you familiar with the IRA etc?

The IRA.

The AfD.

Islamophobia.

Male violence.

Knife Crime.

Anything but the actual issue.

Werweisswohin · 26/08/2024 13:12

ertia · 26/08/2024 13:07

obviously I'm talking about the ongoing situation and recent (couple of days ago) terrorist incidents. We had the good Friday agreement in 1998 and the IRA ceasefire in 2005. But carry on with the whatabouttery and minimising islamic terrorism....

I'm pointing out that there has been a lot of terrorism over the years yet we don't always label a whole group or think extremist parties are the answer.

Werweisswohin · 26/08/2024 13:13

Vivi0 · 26/08/2024 13:12

The IRA.

The AfD.

Islamophobia.

Male violence.

Knife Crime.

Anything but the actual issue.

Pardon?
Not everyone will agree with your stance on what 'the' real issue may be.

Janesygal · 26/08/2024 13:15

Werweisswohin · 26/08/2024 12:59

ISiS is the threat, not immigration itself.

Nobody has said immigration is the threat & certainly not me! Yes Islamic State (also known as ISIS) the the grave threat to society, at least we agree with that.

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Vivi0 · 26/08/2024 13:19

Werweisswohin · 26/08/2024 13:13

Pardon?
Not everyone will agree with your stance on what 'the' real issue may be.

A Syrian refugee murdered 3 people, and injured 4 more in the name of ISIS.

That is what happened. What is there to disagree on?

What has it got to do with the AfD, Islamophobia, the IRA, knife crime, men?

Janesygal · 26/08/2024 13:22

Vivi0 · 26/08/2024 13:19

A Syrian refugee murdered 3 people, and injured 4 more in the name of ISIS.

That is what happened. What is there to disagree on?

What has it got to do with the AfD, Islamophobia, the IRA, knife crime, men?

@Vivi0 completely agree with you. The op is really clutching at straws to derail the thread away from discussing Islamic State & the terror they are causing & plotting to cause throughout Europe.

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Janesygal · 26/08/2024 13:23

inamarina · 26/08/2024 13:12

I read that he was supposed to be deported to Bulgaria, because that’s where he had entered the EU.
I also read that Germany is now considering deportations to Syria and Afghanistan whereas before those countries weren’t considered safe for asylum seekers to be returned to.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj081mrlm7eo.amp

Yes apparently there will be a crackdown.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz

Solingen attack: Germany's Olaf Scholz vows crackdown on illegal migration - BBC News

The German chancellor also promised to tighten laws on weapons ownership "very quickly".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj081mrlm7eo.amp

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SerenityNowInsanityLater · 26/08/2024 13:24

inamarina · 26/08/2024 13:12

I read that he was supposed to be deported to Bulgaria, because that’s where he had entered the EU.
I also read that Germany is now considering deportations to Syria and Afghanistan whereas before those countries weren’t considered safe for asylum seekers to be returned to.

The problem is a country can rubber stamp the word ā€˜deport’ with every intention of doing so. Bulgaria can say Nope! Afghanistan and Syria won’t be deemed safe enough, humane enough to welcome back in their citizens, especially Syria right now (civil war and wider conflict with Israel). It’s difficult enough for those Syrians willing to return to their country to get back in. Returning citizens can impact an already bad humanitarian crisis in the country. Deportation should never be an aid to an ongoing humanitarian crisis. I think we all know this.
The laws and bureaucracy around immigration are impossible for us lay folk to debate because the whole issue of immigration, specifically when it comes to asylum seekers and refugees, is so complex and complicated.

Janesygal · 26/08/2024 13:28

I think governments need to answer why so many more young, single men are seeking asylum & not women/children? This has always confused & angered me in equal measure.

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EasternStandard · 26/08/2024 13:30

inamarina · 26/08/2024 13:12

I read that he was supposed to be deported to Bulgaria, because that’s where he had entered the EU.
I also read that Germany is now considering deportations to Syria and Afghanistan whereas before those countries weren’t considered safe for asylum seekers to be returned to.

I’m not sure how this works as points of entry will be a few countries and clearly people move elsewhere and can claim asylum

On a wider point there was a news item with 100s swimming to enter Spanish town taken back by police. I’m not sure how that fits with current laws

Werweisswohin · 26/08/2024 13:46

Janesygal · 26/08/2024 13:15

Nobody has said immigration is the threat & certainly not me! Yes Islamic State (also known as ISIS) the the grave threat to society, at least we agree with that.

The AfD might suggest that immigration itself is the threat.

Werweisswohin · 26/08/2024 13:47

Vivi0 · 26/08/2024 13:19

A Syrian refugee murdered 3 people, and injured 4 more in the name of ISIS.

That is what happened. What is there to disagree on?

What has it got to do with the AfD, Islamophobia, the IRA, knife crime, men?

I didn't mention men or knife crime.