Attack on a German festival tonight😢 Several dead & injured..

[Janesygal]

https://www.thejournal.ie/several-dead-and-injured-in-attack-on-german-festival-6470549-Aug2024/

This is horrific.

True, and in a way I’m surprised Bulgaria agreed to it, but the transfer numbers are definitely interesting.

You can just click on ‘show quote history’ and it will display the comment the poster was responding to.

In this case, it looks like this poster was saying there is a precedent for male migrants travelling alone to be later joined by family – i.e. it’s not an isolated phenomenon. It’s all a lot clearer if you read the preceding conversation first.

I'm reminding posters that people have moved to other nations for centuries and that there were also violent and deluded people (often driven by religion) within these groups.

https://theconversation.com/why-would-islamic-state-attack-russia-and-what-does-this-mean-for-the-terrorism-threat-globally-226464

Let's not forget the Islamic States horrific terrorist attack at the Russian concert hall this year killing dozens of innocent concert goers. Is the world going to sit back & let the Islamic States reign of terror, fear & chaos continue?

I'm not 'mixing the two groups', as already explained.

I’m not about to pretend that any of us are immigration or human rights lawyers or even bureaucrats with the answers to these numbers. I mean, honestly, those transfer numbers present a normal picture of deportation, whether we like it or not. Thousands are ‘deported’. Most of them won’t leave, and for a multitude of reasons they stay in the host country. One small reason could be perhaps the asylum seeker chooses voluntary deportation (this option is sometimes presented as an alternative) which changes the process of and rules around deportation, which in turn influences those transfer (‘deportation’) numbers. This is just one example.

They could also go home & get into Europe through dozens of other countries, there is no robust method of keeping Islamic State recruits out of Europe. Many are getting recruited in Europe, I needs to be targeted at the roots to prevent the spread.

Mass shootings in America used to be headline news for days but now they barely cause a ripple. These terrorist attacks have gone the same way; normalised. There seems to be a concerted effort by politicians and the media to play them down because the narrative is inconvenient, and then they wonder why all the suppressed frustration and desire for action comes out in people voting for right-wing parties.

I think it's because both the media & western governments know they have no control or power to stop the spread of Islamic State & Islamic States radicalisation programme. Media & governments are essentially powerless which is why so much is swept under the carpet & language is deliberately watered down in the press.

Yes I agree with you both. Centre and left governments will be powerless to do anything so the current narrative is to downplay and minimise.

Just read this morning that Germany have actually implemented the first point, for the first time since the Taliban took over.
28 Afghan men who had committed serious crimes in Germany have now been deported to Afghanistan.

@inamarina

"Just read this morning that Germany have actually implemented the first point, for the first time since the Taliban took over.
28 Afghan men who had committed serious crimes in Germany have now been deported to Afghanistan."

There is a strong possibility that some of these 28 men will face execution on their return to Afghanistan as the Taliban are not exactly lenient on sex offences or why these individuals fled to the West in the first place.

Not sure how Germany can legally do this?

And @1dayatatime what legal rights should these Afghan criminalsvhave if they commit heinous crimes in a country offering them sanctuary?

@Janesygal

I'm not offering an opinion on whether Germany should or should not deport convicted Afghan offenders back to Afghanistan.

All I am questioning is the legality of doing so and whether Germany is actually able to do so. If the UK proposal of sending failed migrants to Rwanda (which is promoted as a safe holiday destination) was held up in both UK and a European courts over whether Rwanda was a safe country or not then sending them back to Afghanistan is clearly going to be legally challenging.

I wonder if it depends on whether they are legally in Germany or not. If they have been granted citizenship I'm sure there is no way legally they could deport.
Obviously what they are doing is legal or they wouldn't be able to do it. Good on Germany.

Mass shootings in America used to be headline news for days but now they barely cause a ripple. These terrorist attacks have gone the same way; normalised. There seems to be a concerted effort by politicians and the media to play them down because the narrative is inconvenient, and then they wonder why all the suppressed frustration and desire for action comes out in people voting for right-wing parties.

Yep. And remember, we're only to call it male violence and misogyny. Do not whatever you do mention the large elephant in the room as that'll tar you as far right.

Germany’s fear of the far right is rooted in its bad history (antisemitism, xenophobia, intolerance cranked up to the maximum)
The stupid thing is that this also describes Islamists and hardline Islam, including Hamas, the Houthis Hezbollah etc. Yet they are excused by the Hard Left while they are cheering them on.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewlzkq5x74o

I don‘t know much about the legal basis tbh., but I‘ve seen the following excerpt linked elsewhere:

„Article 33 - Prohibition of expulsion or return ("refoulement")

1. No Contracting State shall expel or return (" refouler ") a refugee in any manner whatsoever to the frontiers of territories where his life or freedom would be threatened on account of his race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion.
2. The benefit of the present provision may not, however, be claimed by a refugee whom there are reasonable grounds for regarding as a danger to the security of the country in which he is, or who, having been convicted by a final judgement of a particularly serious crime, constitutes a danger to the community of that country.

www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/convention-relating-status-refugees

Interesting. Shows up our incompetence in deporting criminals from the UK. As usual, the government blames the ECHR when they either haven't processed people or haven't kept a close enough eye on them. Criminals aren't at risk of being g executed due to their race, religion, sexuality etc so they would still he able to be deported as they are a danger to the community.

But I'm sure just as legislation is introduced legislation can be amended as necessary.

A lot of the time the roots are hardline preachers from Iran and Saudi Arabia being given visas to come here and preach in mosques. Why are there not struct conditions on their entry, or even better a complete ban?

Yep there are so many different forms of radicalisation taken place accross Europe.
I'm glad Germany are getting tough, they have no choice but to act due to the rising popularity of the AfD

Isn't the German government policy of deporting convicted Afghan criminals back to Afghanistan a bit of bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

I mean one of the 28 who was deported was convicted of participating in the gang rape of a 14 year old girl. So yes he is has been deported but if he hadn't been then he would simply be in a German prison.

It is too little too late but elections are pending so the German govt & Schloz need to be seen to be taking a harder stance with the AfDs popularity.