Attack on a German festival tonight😢 Several dead & injured..

[Janesygal]

https://www.thejournal.ie/several-dead-and-injured-in-attack-on-german-festival-6470549-Aug2024/

This is horrific.

I think honesty would threaten their political career as people would demand change

It's also a narrative that has become very important not to rock over last few decades

Male violence is off the charts this summer

Let’s be more specific: male violence from a foreign man who should never have been in Germany. This did not have to happen, it was totally preventable. It is inevitable when you allow ‘irregular arrivals’

Germany has had a ridiculous immigration policy, open doors for everyone with no attempt at checking who's who and integrating properly.

But the problem is it is taboo now to say this & much easier for the media to blame the "far right" for everything that is wrong with western society... The far right pose a much lesser threat than ISIS who seem to be ramping up their campaign of terror again..

I think Germany’s collective consciousness around atonement for its past atrocities plays a part in minimising its approach to its ongoing problem with male violence among the Muslim migrant population. One year ago, a Polish male was raped by an Afghan migrant in a Munich train station. Really, what has changed since the 2016 gang assault on women in Köln by male migrants? It’s a genuine question that I’d love to have answered by women living in Germany. What’s improved? Why do I fear the sound of crickets as a response to this question?

Germany’s fear of the far right is rooted in its bad history (antisemitism, xenophobia, intolerance cranked up to the maximum). As a collective, Germans live out this atonement for the Holocaust and runaway persecution under the Nazis. And it’s this continued atonement that’s precisely what makes it a safe haven for migrants and everyone everywhere. Personally I love how much Germany has owned its traumatic past. I think it’s a brilliant example of how to try and repair what cannot ever be undone. Never again does Germany want to be cast into anything resembling the society it became under the Third Reich. So, fear of the far right is, in Germany, a very legitimate one. The people wear the scars from those self inflicted wounds of their past.

But is that fear of the far right so great, to the point of irrational, that it’s actually undermining civilian safety? The powers that be are so afraid of upsetting or provoking one group that the safety of citizens is under attack.
What is the solution? It’s scary to sit with that question. It seems impossible to answer.

This is a good post although I see similar denial in the UK and we do not have the same traumatic past

So very sorry to hear of this. Thinking of the victims and their families.

It is such a shame that this might be seen by some as a reflection of Syrian and Middle Eastern people in Germany generally. I studied in Germany and several of my friends from university are Syrian guys (all studying medicine). All nice, normal people.

Why do men keep committing these destructive acts?

@CorWotcha I think the question is why are men so easily radicalised by ISIS & repeatedly commit these horrendous acts of terror against innocent civilians. Don't tar all men, thank you.

That’s your question, not ‘the’ question

I’ll ask whatever question I like, ‘thank you’.

Don’t like it, speak to someone else.

I absolutely agree with you! I just don’t ever want to lose the importance of two words: Male violence.

In a few hundred years maybe?

Well my question is the pretty obvious one.... You had the audacity to blame all men for the horrific killings ISIS is carrying out against western society.

I'd rather focus on the threat from ISIS and what should be done.

Just broadening to all men takes away from that

Don’t latch onto me for the argument you’re looking for 😂😂😂

Exactly, mind boggling & ignorant blaming the sex that makes up 50% of the worlds population!

So you’re mindful not to tar all Syrian/ Middle Eastern people with the same brush (fair enough), yet are more than happy to do exactly that with regards to men?

Whats interesting is that I’ve been on the flip side of this very same coin. I worry that too much focus on ISIS undermines the crime itself. I’m probably wrong. I openly admit this. I’m seeing this from a ‘violent male’ perspective. But between this Syrian migrant assailant in Solingen and the synagogue attacks in France, I probably need to give my head a good wobble here.

I think it’s quite an important question.

Not looking for any argument but it's an ignorant & completely uneducated statement to blame all men for ISIS atrocities.
I'll engage with you no longer just had to call you out for blaming all men.

I was so sad to see this on the news today. Lax immigration in Germany has imported a whole world of problems. Whether it’s women not safe to go out or an increase in criminality. Rightly people are pushing back about this, but then they’re labelled right wing.

Remember when we didn’t need to go through a scanner to get into a concert? Remember when air travel was enjoyable? We’ve imported this issue, and you can’t say anything. This is partly why there have been riots (partly), Kier Starmer coming down hard on the rioters won’t solve the bubbling under current or concern and anger. And this is why the right are rising in Germany too.

I can absolutely see the benefits of a diverse society and immigration, but this isn’t how to do it.

The very sad thing is this summer young girls seem to be seen as an easy target, the Taylor Swift concerta in Austria being the latest. Fear has been sewn & instilled into our society which obviously is part of the bigger plan. Governments can't keep ignoring the hard facts.

And events in the UK

I don't mind a different focus on male violence outside this, but I think the threat from ISIS and motivations are very particular to that type of extremism and people need to be serious about how much they will risk to harm

It's possible to be concerned about islamic terror and how parties such as the AfD will respond to such attacks. Both are threats. Both are real.

Why are you laughing? Bloody hell it's not exactly an amusing thread.