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Jermaine Jenas sacked by BBC

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Twonewcats · 22/08/2024 16:36

For inappropriate behaviour. No further details yet as to what specifically he has allegedly done.

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Zerogiven · 24/08/2024 23:34

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Firethehorse · 25/08/2024 01:05

I’m disappointed to read so many semi defences of a sacked man on this thread. It’s clear the BBC is a toxic, misogynistic place to work; several posters have provided their awful work experiences, but it’s already well known. We have had various excuses along the lines of it’s not fair because it would be different if a member of the public - not so - any decent company would not and does not tolerate inappropriate behaviour especially in a power dynamic, we’ve had been sacked quicker because of ethnicity - reality is the police are not involved here (yet) and the press is awash with BBC scandals. Let’s look at this another way, so are you saying the BBC should hang around and dither again to make it ethnically ‘fair’? You are only then making it ‘fair’ to the perpetrator not the victim.
The speed of dropping by his own Agency to me is the most telling of all, more so than the on air distancing or BBC actually doing something for once. This all amounts to there being absolutely nothing ‘consensual’ around the reason for his sacking and it’s so unfair he can just trot this line out because his fame gives him access to media airspace.
Look at his attitude now the misdemeanours are becoming public first anger coupled with sneering legal threats followed by self serving publicity in the Sun and yet now it hasn’t worked out his way it’s all about him being sorry because his career is damaged, his marriage is in danger and he needs help and sympathy.
I don’t care what colour his skin is but I do care greatly that he has used his position of authority in such a manner that has been deemed sackable and his own Agent has dropped him like a ton weight.
We should be defending women’s rights to work in an environment free from intimidation and sexual pressures. We should be angry he is using his fame to put out a clearly untrue narrative of consent.
My sympathy is fully with the victim and I suspect it’s actually victims.

Twonewcats · 25/08/2024 02:53

LastTimeLosingIt · 24/08/2024 18:37

For those wondering how this man ever for presenting work, the BBC managers have a weird obsession with getting people into talk about sports who have done that sport themselves. They are literally obsessed with it. So very talented sports producers who could do a very good job of presenting or being a pundit are sidelined in favour of talentless idiots who played the sport themselves but can't string two words together or who can't speak properly. Producers would never be allowed on screen if they were that bad. But just because someone is retired from a sport, they get offered a chance at being a pundit. It then springboards from there...more pundit opportunities across the BBC's various outlets, and if they're ok, they get catapulted into the big name shows. Sometimes it works; some are really good. Often it doesn't. But there are very few commentators, pundits or presenters on the BBC who haven't played that sport at a high level themselves. They're given air time in favour of professional journalists who know how to speak and commentate. Eg the recent Olympics coverage by the BBC. The pundits, commentators and presenters were all former players of the applicable sport. Yes, they knew a lot about it, but they are used on screen in favour of much more talented producers and researchers who equally know a lot about the sport. There are very few left (like Andrew Cotter) who became famous commentators purely due to journalistic and commentary talent.

But pundits are literally experts in their field, so they're going to be ex players etc.
The BBC Olympics presenters were Hazel Irvine, Clare Balding, Gabby Logan, JJ chalmers and Isa Guha. Not one of them are experts in the sports they were presenting. The commentators and guest pundits/presenters, ie Becky Adlington, Laura Kenny, Michael Johnstone, Denise Lewis etc etc, were all experts, and provided brilliant commentary.

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JaketheVaulter · 25/08/2024 09:09

@Zerogiven are you fully consenting if someone in a position of power in your workplace sends you messages? There's all kind of imbalance there.

Quirkyme · 25/08/2024 11:02

Aquarius1234 · 24/08/2024 19:08

JJ being mixed race like Alex Scott certainly helped. Yes I've read that many times. BBC do have boxes to tick.
They are both awful imo and I've really tried previously. Just nothing original coming out of their mouths. Alex Scott almost seemed scared previously to put any foot wrong and be as bland as possible. I think she even was happy to come across as straight for the first few years.

Disgusting comment

NomenNudum · 25/08/2024 11:34

Fwiw i recall a female newsreader a million years ago (possibly julia summerville?) being suspended for nude pics of children which if iirc were her own kids in the bath.

Zerogiven · 25/08/2024 13:47

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Starseeking · 25/08/2024 14:14

@Zerogiveneven his agent has dumped him, I haven't seen anything of the legal firm he was spouting about and his wife has banished him from the bedroom.

What I see is a man attempting damage limitation, I'm pretty sure he'd say whatever he thought he needed to, to achieve that.

RainbowZebraWarrior · 25/08/2024 15:15

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Nice. So because he says it was between consenting adults, you believe him, not the women who reported him.

As I said yesterday, I question his understanding of consent. Companies don't sack people for inappropriate behaviour when texts are fully consenting. Also, as PP said, his agent dropped him like a stone and his lawyers he was threatening with have obviously told him he doesn't have a leg to stand on (hence his u-turn and apology / admission of shame)

Twonewcats · 25/08/2024 17:16

RainbowZebraWarrior · 25/08/2024 15:15

Nice. So because he says it was between consenting adults, you believe him, not the women who reported him.

As I said yesterday, I question his understanding of consent. Companies don't sack people for inappropriate behaviour when texts are fully consenting. Also, as PP said, his agent dropped him like a stone and his lawyers he was threatening with have obviously told him he doesn't have a leg to stand on (hence his u-turn and apology / admission of shame)

Agreed. He really only refers to one of the women in his statement. I believe the other woman is the one who complained. I believe he thinks consensual means an adult in his mind.

He also says re woman 1, that he doesn't want to go into who instigated it, but the literally goes into who instigated it.
As if that actually makes any difference to his wife- he chose to reply and follow on, and "Frantically" sext her.

If all that happened was him sexting 2 women, and them being equally flirty, it would be inappropriate but not a sackable offence.

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RainbowZebraWarrior · 25/08/2024 18:11

Twonewcats · 25/08/2024 17:16

Agreed. He really only refers to one of the women in his statement. I believe the other woman is the one who complained. I believe he thinks consensual means an adult in his mind.

He also says re woman 1, that he doesn't want to go into who instigated it, but the literally goes into who instigated it.
As if that actually makes any difference to his wife- he chose to reply and follow on, and "Frantically" sext her.

If all that happened was him sexting 2 women, and them being equally flirty, it would be inappropriate but not a sackable offence.

Exactly. The fact that he also said the 'frantic sexting exchange' ended amicably also smacks of it being unwanted, and that the woman in question perhaps pulled him on this and he apologised.

It's the power imbalance, as always.

Frankenstone · 25/08/2024 20:18

@LastTimeLosingIt I'm really sorry to hear about your experiences, to be honest I think the culture is like this all though the film and tv industry, as well as a culture of people cheating on their partners, bullying and various harassments, the same can likely be said for other industries that are over subscribed fashion, music, the art world and so on. Its depressing because so many will end up frozen out just because they don't play ball and others will end up traumatised by their experiences. I really had hoped that post me to this was all a thing of the past but apparently not.

LastTimeLosingIt · 25/08/2024 22:09

Frankenstone · 25/08/2024 20:18

@LastTimeLosingIt I'm really sorry to hear about your experiences, to be honest I think the culture is like this all though the film and tv industry, as well as a culture of people cheating on their partners, bullying and various harassments, the same can likely be said for other industries that are over subscribed fashion, music, the art world and so on. Its depressing because so many will end up frozen out just because they don't play ball and others will end up traumatised by their experiences. I really had hoped that post me to this was all a thing of the past but apparently not.

I agree. Before I got to the BBC I was desperate to work there. I went to TV centre for work experience for some top programmes, and couldn't understand why all the producers were so bitter when they "should have been so pleased to be working there", I thought. This was the pinnacle of the TV industry, I thought (as this was at TV Centre, not regional). Within a couple of years of working there I was also bitter... I learned that all too often it's who you slept with (or who you were very matey with or who you were related to) that decided how your career went, not how hard you worked, or how talented you were.

Eg, One producer was related to the boss of the channel he worked for. He got promoted from a band 7 rather crap journalist through to a band 11 Ass.Editor in about two years flat - which is about five times faster than anyone else. Loads of people went to the internal interviews but it was always him who got the job. Nepotism at its finest. Once the boss of the channel moved on, the nephew was no longer protected and for the last 20 years has been shoved sideways from post to post and is currently heading up some small outlet of the World Service. He had not much talent, just a powerful aunt.

I was touched up massively by my managing editor, every time he drank (which was every Friday on his four hour lunch breaks). I was propositioned by so many men, and because I turned them down, my career stalled. Meanwhile those who slept with these men went on to become semi-famous on screen presenters. Sometimes they then fell out of favour with the manager concerned and I was sometimes gifted to hear ABC moaning about XYZ "only getting on screen time because XYZ was now shagging the boss"...that ABC had split up with. The hypocrisy!

I was once told by a powerful editor during a very alcoholic lunch not to go out with the reporter who was at the lunch and making obvious advances on me. I liked the reporter and was flattered by the attention. I asked the editor "why not?", but he would only say that I shouldn't go out with him. I was only 22 so STUPIDLY ended up going home with the reporter, pretty tipsy. I'm a drunk who remembers everything. I never have black out moments, ever. Like, not ever. When we got there, the reporter offered me a glass of wine. I remember drinking about a quarter of it and the next thing I knew, it was a couple of hours later and I regained consciousness in the reporter's bed. He was on top of me and I felt powerless to move. I then blacked out again for hours and when I came round I felt completely out of it. Many months later I found out that the reporter had a reputation for date raping women in the unit, and that's why the editor had warned me off. Because the reporter was a reporter, he was seen as "talent" whereas women who complained to the editor were managed out of the unit. I came to realise as I got older that I had probably been another victim of date rape. I was too young, naive and scared for my job to make a complaint. I would have been sacked, not the reporter. Because the reporter was "the talent." He worked there for another 12 years after that. This is what external people don't understand; the "talent" are seen as god's gift and can behave terribly over and over again. And now the BBC is in the spotlight they're finally having to show the courage of sacking the talent straight away. But the BBC will fall out of the spotlight soon and many more presenters and powerful editors will continue to behave appallingly without redress.

The whole organisation needs taking over by women in my opinion who won't act like this, nor put up with it. It is changing, but not fast enough; it's still an old boys club and it's who you know or who you shag that gets you on screen, and once you're there, you can behave how you like because you're "the talent". And the more famous they are, the worse they get.

Bitter? I am. But it's not surprising really.

Nb: there are some exceptions. I know several amazing female presenters who haven't slept their way to the top. But I know far many more who have. And many more who have been ignored in favour of those women. It makes me sick.

Kjpt140v · 27/08/2024 19:42

SprinkleOfSunak · 23/08/2024 20:50

Me too, I’d be bored stiff!

I am however very intuitive, and I can read people well, and it rarely fails me.

You would be dangerous on a jury. It's facts you have to work with, not a crystal ball.

Twonewcats · 07/09/2024 08:29

An update today, with alleged content of some messages.

Sorry about the Daily Fail link, but currently they're the only ones who seem to be reporting it.

I don't think the article currently makes it clear if she's one of the women originally mentioned but I'm guessing so.

If the article is true, he's an idiot.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13821627/BBC-Jermaine-Jenas-whatsapp-woman.html

Jermaine Jenas sent woman naked pic and asked 'do you want my boy?'

The woman says when the ex-footballer bombarded her with flirty WhatsApp messages after meeting her while she was working, telling her 'I wanna see it now' and 'you know what it's like when you're away'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13821627/BBC-Jermaine-Jenas-whatsapp-woman.html

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the80sweregreat · 07/09/2024 08:45

His an idiot in a long line of men who don't know when they have a good thing going and seem to then mess it up
It's not just his wife his hurting but his kids too
They never seem to learn

Twonewcats · 07/09/2024 09:07

the80sweregreat · 07/09/2024 08:45

His an idiot in a long line of men who don't know when they have a good thing going and seem to then mess it up
It's not just his wife his hurting but his kids too
They never seem to learn

Yep - I mean, we probably all miss that "excitement" of the early days in relationships from time to time, but men just seem to go after it when it presents itself, rather than being respectful human beings to their families and to the other women.
It's nuts.

And it's also interesting when this side of it come out, to see why she gave him her number. Initially, THAT seemed to be a reason for many people on X etc to blame her - I mean, why would you possibly give him your number, if you werent wanting to encourage him?!! Um, for business reasons, clearly.
F**king men, eh?

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crockofshite · 07/09/2024 09:10

LastTimeLosingIt · 25/08/2024 22:09

I agree. Before I got to the BBC I was desperate to work there. I went to TV centre for work experience for some top programmes, and couldn't understand why all the producers were so bitter when they "should have been so pleased to be working there", I thought. This was the pinnacle of the TV industry, I thought (as this was at TV Centre, not regional). Within a couple of years of working there I was also bitter... I learned that all too often it's who you slept with (or who you were very matey with or who you were related to) that decided how your career went, not how hard you worked, or how talented you were.

Eg, One producer was related to the boss of the channel he worked for. He got promoted from a band 7 rather crap journalist through to a band 11 Ass.Editor in about two years flat - which is about five times faster than anyone else. Loads of people went to the internal interviews but it was always him who got the job. Nepotism at its finest. Once the boss of the channel moved on, the nephew was no longer protected and for the last 20 years has been shoved sideways from post to post and is currently heading up some small outlet of the World Service. He had not much talent, just a powerful aunt.

I was touched up massively by my managing editor, every time he drank (which was every Friday on his four hour lunch breaks). I was propositioned by so many men, and because I turned them down, my career stalled. Meanwhile those who slept with these men went on to become semi-famous on screen presenters. Sometimes they then fell out of favour with the manager concerned and I was sometimes gifted to hear ABC moaning about XYZ "only getting on screen time because XYZ was now shagging the boss"...that ABC had split up with. The hypocrisy!

I was once told by a powerful editor during a very alcoholic lunch not to go out with the reporter who was at the lunch and making obvious advances on me. I liked the reporter and was flattered by the attention. I asked the editor "why not?", but he would only say that I shouldn't go out with him. I was only 22 so STUPIDLY ended up going home with the reporter, pretty tipsy. I'm a drunk who remembers everything. I never have black out moments, ever. Like, not ever. When we got there, the reporter offered me a glass of wine. I remember drinking about a quarter of it and the next thing I knew, it was a couple of hours later and I regained consciousness in the reporter's bed. He was on top of me and I felt powerless to move. I then blacked out again for hours and when I came round I felt completely out of it. Many months later I found out that the reporter had a reputation for date raping women in the unit, and that's why the editor had warned me off. Because the reporter was a reporter, he was seen as "talent" whereas women who complained to the editor were managed out of the unit. I came to realise as I got older that I had probably been another victim of date rape. I was too young, naive and scared for my job to make a complaint. I would have been sacked, not the reporter. Because the reporter was "the talent." He worked there for another 12 years after that. This is what external people don't understand; the "talent" are seen as god's gift and can behave terribly over and over again. And now the BBC is in the spotlight they're finally having to show the courage of sacking the talent straight away. But the BBC will fall out of the spotlight soon and many more presenters and powerful editors will continue to behave appallingly without redress.

The whole organisation needs taking over by women in my opinion who won't act like this, nor put up with it. It is changing, but not fast enough; it's still an old boys club and it's who you know or who you shag that gets you on screen, and once you're there, you can behave how you like because you're "the talent". And the more famous they are, the worse they get.

Bitter? I am. But it's not surprising really.

Nb: there are some exceptions. I know several amazing female presenters who haven't slept their way to the top. But I know far many more who have. And many more who have been ignored in favour of those women. It makes me sick.

From your story the woman editor was as bad as any man when it came to nepotism, though that in no way compares to sexual assault, and in most cases can be reversed without too much lasting damage.

Also, is it true (the married) aliaj is going back to Strictly after leaving under a cloud 2 years ago for his awful behaviour towards a woman dancer?

The entire entertainment/ media industry absolutely stinks.

Marinel · 07/09/2024 10:20

The story in the Mail makes it even worse than I originally thought. He is an absolute shit.

Also, is it true (the married) aliaj is going back to Strictly after leaving under a cloud 2 years ago for his awful behaviour towards a woman dancer?
The entire entertainment/ media industry absolutely stinks.

No it is absolutely not true. There are two other male dancers who left under a cloud, not Alijaz.

Alijaz was always delightful to his partners which is why he's been brought back.

crumblingschools · 07/09/2024 10:49

@Marinel according to some papers it is possible Alijaz did leave due to his behaviour towards a woman

AdviceNeeded2024 · 07/09/2024 11:01

Jermaine Jenas denies further claims

The claim is now reported in The Sun. 38yr old Waitress at the World Cup states he bombarded her with messages asking for bikini photos.

‘Source’ close to JJ states she asked for his number and was demanding to know where his VIP parties were with his VIP mates. Source also saying “it’s strange how it’s only now the messages were unwanted” 🤔

Think it’s possibly a separate woman from the first two allegations.

a man and woman pose in front of a sign that says sea

Jermaine Jenas denies claim he bombarded waitress with unsolicited texts

JERMAINE JENAS has denied new claims he sent a waitress unsolicited explicit pics while working at the World Cup for the BBC. A woman, who was a VIP party planner in Qatar, alleged the former footi…

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/30263034/jermaine-jenas-denies-waitress-unsolicited-explicit-texts-world-cup/

Marinel · 07/09/2024 12:05

crumblingschools · 07/09/2024 10:49

@Marinel according to some papers it is possible Alijaz did leave due to his behaviour towards a woman

Have you got a link to that, I have never heard that suggestion about Alijaz.

JaketheVaulter · 07/09/2024 12:27

metro.co.uk/2024/09/07/strictly-cast-furious-aljaz-skorjanec-returns-despite-shocking-backstage-incident-21564289/

It's in lots of newspapers today @Marinel

Marinel · 07/09/2024 13:52

Thank you for the link @JaketheVaulter
That sounds like a drunken altercation with a fellow pro (if it's true), not really on the same level as what Jenas has done.

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