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Thread 6 Starmer: We're going to need a bigger skip!

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InMySpareTime · 19/08/2024 14:34

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PandoraSox · 30/08/2024 14:43

pointythings · 30/08/2024 14:40

Isn't there a thread about that yet? Perhaps someone should start one? Wink

I can imagine some of the semi-regulars on this thread will have a field day!

itsgettingweird · 30/08/2024 14:43

RafaistheKingofClay · 30/08/2024 14:28

Terrible news. Rayner has been spotted at a rave in Ibiza.
https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1829500659697111274

How could she?

Reminds me how we have normal people running the country!

BustingBaoBun · 30/08/2024 14:52

I think it's brilliant Angela Rayner is having a blast in Ibiza. I think it's really important Ministers and MPs do their fave thing during the summer recess, whether that's Theresa May hiking across the Moors, Angela Rayner raving, Boris Johnson going to Peppa Pig Land... or whatever...

In all seriousness, it is a high pressured job, they need a break.

BIWI · 30/08/2024 15:16

Weirdly, IMO, apparently that portrait of Thatcher was commissioned by Gordon Brown! That did surprise me.

But I don't see any problem with Sir Keir Starmer not wanting it in his home/office. It's his office now, not hers!

BIossomtoes · 30/08/2024 15:21

BIWI · 30/08/2024 15:16

Weirdly, IMO, apparently that portrait of Thatcher was commissioned by Gordon Brown! That did surprise me.

But I don't see any problem with Sir Keir Starmer not wanting it in his home/office. It's his office now, not hers!

It surprised me too. It doesn’t seem very long since Starmer referenced Thatcher as a strong leader and got torn to pieces for that. He really can’t win.

BIWI · 30/08/2024 15:23

I think it was her intellect and strength of vision he was praising - but not what she did with either of them! You have to admit, compared with the likes of the recent Tory PMs, she was a totally different beast.

Againname · 30/08/2024 15:25

But could it be that something will replace smoking?

If you mean something harmful to health, then something already has. Something far more deadly.

Poverty. Which unlike smoking doesn't bring in tax revenue. Poverty and poor housing and stress. All 3 go hand in hand and are interrelated, and cost the NHS and the economy far more money than smoking.

Research published in the British Medical Journal) found that private renting (but not social housing) causes more harm to health than smoking.

I can't take seriously claims of being concerned about health re smoking when there's insufficient social housing.

Nor when there's a punitive benefits system and one of the lowest pensions in the western world (and talk of raising the state pension age so many will die before receiving it and also be in ill health due to poverty and being on pitiful benefits, because of not being in good enough health to work or not being given work due to age discrimination).

Nor when we don't have well-funded effective public services, or enough good job, training and education opportunities.

As for personal dislike. I agree with previous posters that the big clouds of vape smoke (or vapour or whatever it is) is more unpleasant than smoking. Although I've noticed some vapes are less of an issue so maybe it's the type of vape that's the problem.

BIossomtoes · 30/08/2024 15:25

Indeed. She’d have eaten them for breakfast and, no matter how misguided, she genuinely seemed to believe in her appalling policies.

SerendipityJane · 30/08/2024 15:58

Poverty. Which unlike smoking doesn't bring in tax revenue. Poverty and poor housing and stress. All 3 go hand in hand and are interrelated, and cost the NHS and the economy far more money than smoking.

They also depress fertility ...

Saschka · 30/08/2024 16:11

RafaistheKingofClay · 30/08/2024 14:28

Terrible news. Rayner has been spotted at a rave in Ibiza.
https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1829500659697111274

How could she?

Compare and contrast

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vWmgAHrcKFc

Evenstar · 30/08/2024 16:24

@Saschka I said to DH the difference was that there are no Tories who wouldn’t look uncool/weird/awkward at a rave!

Notonthestairs · 30/08/2024 17:18

I think Gove always looked very relaxed in clubs.

Piggywaspushed · 30/08/2024 17:27

SerendipityJane · 30/08/2024 15:58

Poverty. Which unlike smoking doesn't bring in tax revenue. Poverty and poor housing and stress. All 3 go hand in hand and are interrelated, and cost the NHS and the economy far more money than smoking.

They also depress fertility ...

High levels of smoking and incidence of smoking related disease are poverty linked though.

Againname · 30/08/2024 17:36

Piggywaspushed · 30/08/2024 17:27

High levels of smoking and incidence of smoking related disease are poverty linked though.

Yes I expect the stress of poverty is what causes some people to smoke.

Poverty and stress are heavily interlinked (and both poverty, and separately stress are very damaging to health).

Againname · 30/08/2024 17:52

Obviously poverty isn't the only cause of stress but it's a big one.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/cancer/prolonged-stress-may-increase-the-risk-of-death-from-cancer

Regarding private renting (more harmful to health than smoking). I can't find the BMJ article right now and too busy today to look but here's an article about that research. Note that, as referenced in the study, social housing (referred to as 'public housing' in the article) doesn't have the harmful impact on health that private renting does. This is due to the stability that is on a par with owner occupied.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2023/10/11/renting-a-home-ages-you-faster-than-smoking-or-unemployment-study-says/

Related to both poverty and private renting, there's loneliness. Another issue that is as damaging if not more harmful than smoking. Obviously insufficient social housing is a major cause of loneliness and isolation, because people are sometimes forced to move away from families, friends, and community.

www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/loneliness-has-same-risk-as-smoking-for-heart-disease

Prolonged stress may increase the risk of death from cancer - Harvard Health

People exposed to long-term stress have a higher risk of dying from cancer, according to a 2022 study. The connection may be related to high levels of the stress hormone cortisol....

https://www.health.harvard.edu/cancer/prolonged-stress-may-increase-the-risk-of-death-from-cancer

Againname · 30/08/2024 17:56

So basically increasing the provision of social housing and tackling poverty would both improve health and save the NHS (and the economy in general) a lot of money.

Failing to do this is bad for individuals, bad for society, bad for communities, and a false economy.

SerendipityJane · 30/08/2024 18:01

TL;DR is that poverty is natures way of reducing the population. And if you carefully pick through right wing neocon beliefs, there are fine with that. As long as they can shop in poor people from elsewhere to continue metaphorically wipe their arses, then why care ? Besides, you can always make it Gods will.

I was intrigued to read that while some eco-warriors might be pleased with the unauthorised "re-beavering" of Britain that has occurred these past years, it leads to too many beavers and they will fight to the death to reduce the competition. And ir ain't pretty.

Notonthestairs · 30/08/2024 18:35

Quite small beer in comparison with Frank Hester's £15 million donations but I don't suppose that will be much comfort to Farage.

BIossomtoes · 30/08/2024 18:41

Hopefully something will be done about him sooner rather than later. That’s a disgrace.

Notonthestairs · 30/08/2024 18:46

BIossomtoes · 30/08/2024 18:41

Hopefully something will be done about him sooner rather than later. That’s a disgrace.

Quite agree.

SerendipityJane · 30/08/2024 19:15

DuncinToffee · 30/08/2024 18:35

Talking about private renting, you dont want Jas Athwal as your landlord
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyg1j0lv1go

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PeterRachman

E2A: I believe that page has been "sanitised". My distinct memory was Rachman was named in the House of Commons as a crook under parliamentary privilege. Oddly omitted. I may correct it when I have a chance.

Peter Rachman - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Rachman

RafaistheKingofClay · 30/08/2024 20:51

https://x.com/theousherwood/status/1829561595233550481

This could get interesting. First civil service commissioner is going to audit recent appointments by exception under Labour. The first civil service commissioner being Gisella Stuart the head of vote leave who was given her job by Boris Johnson.

x.com

https://x.com/theousherwood/status/1829561595233550481

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