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Ukraine Invasion: Part 51

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MagicFox · 15/08/2024 20:29

Welcome to 51. Thanks as usual to all and Slava Ukraini πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

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DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 09/10/2024 12:17

Live: Ukraine Telegram Highlights

Ukraine is considering https://www.ft.com/content/aec4c3b3-56ab-4774-b342-250d5445ba6e lifting the ban on arms exports, according to the Financial Times.
After Russia's full-scale invasion in 2022, Kyiv banned the export of military goods to meet the needs of its army. The FT reports that the state's resources for financing the production and supply of drones are currently limited, not to mention investments in further research and development. At present, the Ukrainian army is facing a massive shortage of drones, with experts estimating that Russian forces outnumber Ukrainian forces by 5 to 10 times in this area, according to the publication citing Dmitry Khasapov, head of the company "Ukrspetssystems."
Allowing arms exports would attract additional funds and scale up domestic production for the army, particularly drone manufacturing. Ukrainian MP Oleksandr Marikovsky told FT that Kyiv could potentially earn around $20 billion from drone exports.

πŸ‡­πŸ‡·President Zelensky has arrived in Croatia, where the third summit "Ukraine β€” Southeast Europe" will take place.

⚑️⚑️Explosions were heard near the Russian city of Bryansk in the Karachev district. Locals reported the sounds of ammunition detonations
The 67th Russian missile artillery arsenal of the Ministry of Defense is located near the city of Karachev.

❗️❗️Russians are having fun killing civilians in the Kherson Oblast by dropping drone shells on them and their cars

Two people were killed in Saltivka, Kharkiv, after a Russian airstrike hit the area.

Viktor OrbΓ‘n faced an attempted attack in France
While giving a press conference in the European Parliament, a man in the audience shouted, "For how much money did you betray your country, Prime Minister? You sold it to Putin, you sold it to Xi Jinping!" The man, an opposition party politician, then rushed toward the Hungarian Prime Minister but was stopped by security. Viktor OrbΓ‘n was unharmed.
Profiting from the brutal killings of Ukrainians, Russia’s top pro-war Telegram channel sells β€œexclusive” footage of Russian atrocities.
Arkhangel Spetsnaza β€” a Telegram channel with nearly 1.2 million subscribersβ€”posts β€œfrontline reports” and soldier manuals, but its real money-maker is β€œexclusive” snuff videos showing real murders of Ukrainians. Subscribers pay for access to these videos and buy merchandise, raking in millions of rubles.
Arkhangel Spetsnaza posts a variety of footage, from frontline combat footage and the torture and killing of Ukrainians to β€œexclusive” Russian operations and soldier manuals.

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https://www.ft.com/content/aec4c3b3-56ab-4774-b342-250d5445ba6e

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 09/10/2024 12:19

Kyiv Post Telegram Highlights

The Ukrainian parliament has prohibited the mobilization of Ukrainians under the age of 25.

Russia may be preparing for strikes on the Ukrainian nuclear infrastructure β€” Energoatom.
On the night of October 6-7, a UAV was spotted at a distance of less than 10 km from the South Ukrainian NPP.

Russians expand their horrific "human safari" program in southern Ukraine, now averaging 100 attacks/day.
https://www.kyivpost.com/analysis/40206

Seven more Ukrainian children have been returned to Ukraine from the temporarily occupied territories of Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, and Luhansk regions.
According to Ukraine’a Presidential Office, Ukrainians who refused to obtain Russian passports were denied employment opportunities and access to medical services.
The occupation authorities threatened to revoke parental rights if children didn’t attend Russian schools. 17-year-old Daniil from Luhansk had to hide his online education at a Ukrainian school for safety.

notimagain · 09/10/2024 12:25

*NATO Commander Lists U.S. Weapons Yet to Be Sent to Ukraine
The commander of NATO forces in Europe, Christopher Cavoli, submitted a list to Congress detailing American weapons that have not yet been transferred to Ukraine, but could aid Ukrainian forces in the war against Russia, according to CNN.
The list includes JASSM air-to-surface missiles and Link 16, a communication system used by the U.S. and NATO for data exchange.
Cavoli’s list does not explain why these systems have not been provided, despite their potential usefulness.

[speculate]

Can’t speak for JASSM without doing a bit of research but there’s no point in having Link 16 if none or only a few of your weapons systems are compatible with it…(i.e. can actually receive data from it and use it in a meaningful manner)

It’s possible the F-16s might be the first major weapons system the Ukraine has acquired that can profitably utilize Link 16, so maybe it’s only now that there is any point in deploying the system in theatre.

[/speculate]

blueshoes · 09/10/2024 18:18

Russia 2025 budget

Ukraine Invasion: Part 51
Ukraine Invasion: Part 51
MissConductUS · 09/10/2024 19:02

It’s possible the F-16s might be the first major weapons system the Ukraine has acquired that can profitably utilize Link 16, so maybe it’s only now that there is any point in deploying the system in theatre.

This is it in a nutshell. One problem with Link 16 is that because it transmits over UHF, it only works with other network nodes that are within line of sight. So it's designed for situations where lots of aircraft, ground vehicles, air defense units, command and control centers, etc. are in close proximity to each other. You can extend the range with relay stations, but that requires more hardware and planning.

It's been replaced by Link 22, which overcomes Link 16's range limitations and some other issues.

They absolutely should be getting JASSMs.

blueshoes · 10/10/2024 09:13

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-9-2024

Key Takeaways:

  • The Russian military command has likely ordered Russian forces to conduct a relatively high tempo of mechanized assaults in Ukraine to pursue significant tactical advances before muddy ground conditions in fall 2024 constrain mechanized maneuver. Poor weather conditions in fall 2024 and early winter 2024-2025 will likely complicate and constrain both mechanized and infantry maneuver, but Russian forces may seek to maintain their consistent offensive pressure in eastern Ukraine despite these difficulties.
  • US European Command (EUCOM) Commander and NATO Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR) General Christopher Cavoli reportedly stated that the United States is withholding several US weapon systems and other military communications networks from Ukraine that could support Ukraine's war effort.
  • South Korean Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun stated on October 8 that a limited number of North Korean military personnel are likely operating near occupied Donetsk City.
  • Russian illegal arms dealer and Ulyanovsk Oblast parliamentarian Viktor Bout reportedly helped broker a deal for Russia to sell arms worth $10 million to Yemen's Houthi rebels in August 2024 amid increasing reports of potential Russian arms transfers to the Houthis and deepening Russo-Iranian cooperation.
  • Russia banned partially-encrypted communications platform Discord on October 8, likely degrading some frontline Russian forces' ad-hoc communications in the near term.
  • Russian forces continue to use chemical weapons in Ukraine in a continued apparent violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), to which Russia is a party.
  • Russian forces recently advanced near Kreminna, Siversk, Toretsk, Pokrovsk, and Robotyne.
  • Ukrainian Kharkiv Group of Forces Spokesperson Vitaliy Sarantsev stated on October 8 that Russian forces may have exhausted their preexisting stocks of aerial bombs for glide bomb strikes.
DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 10/10/2024 11:02

Kyiv Independent Telegram Highlights Thread

⚑️EU approves 35-billion-euro loan https://kyivindependent.com/eu-approves-35-billion-euro-loan-for-ukraine-using-frozen-russian-assets/ for Ukraine using frozen Russian assets.
European Union countries have approved an unprecedented plan to issue a 35-billion-euro ($37.2 billion) loan to support Ukraine's war-torn economy, using Russia's immobilized Central Bank assets as collateral. [Fuck you Orban!]

⚑️ Experts urge https://kyivindependent.com/experts-urge-setting-up-nato-bank-to-trump-proof-alliance-guardian-reports/ setting up 'NATO bank' to 'Trump-proof' alliance, Guardian reports.
To reduce the potential impact of a second Trump presidency, NATO countries should back the establishment of a multilateral lending institution, effectively a NATO bank, the report suggests.

⚑️Zelensky to meet https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-to-meet-with-uk-germany-italy-france-leaders-within-next-day/ with UK, Germany, Italy, France leaders within next day.
⚑️ Zelensky meets Starmer https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-meets-starmer-during-visit-to-uk/ during visit to UK.

⚑️ Russia responsible https://kyivindependent.com/russia-responsible-for-80-of-foreign-influence-operations-in-the-world-czech-fm-says/ for 80% of foreign influence operations in the world, Czech FM Jan Lipavsky said at a conference in Prague on Oct. 9.

⚑️Ukraine hits Russian base storing Shahed drones https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-hits-russian-base-storing-shahed-drones-in-krasnodar-krai-military-claims/ in Krasnodar Krai, military claims.

⚑️Ramstein-format meeting postponed https://kyivindependent.com/ramstein-format-meeting-postponed-after-biden-put-off-his-foreign-trips/ after Biden cancels foreign visits.

⚑️ Lithuania blocks and fortifies https://kyivindependent.com/lithuania-blocks-and-fortifies-bridge-to-russias-kaliningrad-exclave/ bridge to Russia’s Kaliningrad exclave.
Lithuania's Defense Minsiter Laurynas said other bridges leading to Kaliningrad would also be fortified, and some may even be mined.

⚑️ Update: Fuel depot destroyed https://kyivindependent.com/russia-claims-downing-over-90-ukrainian-drones-overnight/ in strike on Russia’s airbase in Adygea, Ukrainian official claims.

⚑️ Oil depot in occupied Crimea's Feodosia https://kyivindependent.com/oil-depot-in-crimeas-feodosia-burning-for-4th-day-after-ukraines-strike/ burning for 4th day after Ukraine's strike.

⚑️ Russia claims downing over 90 Ukrainian drones https://kyivindependent.com/russia-claims-downing-over-90-ukrainian-drones-overnight/ amid reports of airbase strike.

⚑️ Ukraine's parliament approves revised bill https://kyivindependent.com/ukraines-parliament-approves-historic-tax-hike/ on 'historic' tax hike.
The Ukrainian parliament on Oct. 10 adopted a bill on a major tax increase as the country struggles to shore up its budget deficit amid Russia's ongoing full-scale war

⚑️Russian losses https://kyivindependent.com/russian-losses-in-war-against-ukraine-top-600-000-pentagon-says/ in war against Ukraine top 600,000, Pentagon says.
"Russian losses, again both killed and wounded in action, in just the first year of the war exceeded the total of all Soviet losses in any conflict since World War II combined," a senior Pentagon official said.

⚑️Ukraine can hold territory https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-can-hold-territory-in-kursk-oblast-for-months-us-officials-say/ in Kursk Oblast for months, US officials say.

⚑️Russia reportedly redeploys https://kyivindependent.com/russia-reportedly-redeploys-kinzhal-missile-carrier-to-belarus-for-first-time-in-1-5-years/ Kinzhal missiles carrier to Belarus for first time in over a year.

⚑️2,300 Ukrainian soldiers being trained https://kyivindependent.com/france-training-ukrainian-brigade/ in France as part of new brigade.

⚑️Ukraine sells https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-sells-state-owned-titanium-producer-in-privatization-auction-to-fund-state-coffers/ state-owned titanium producer in privatization auction to fund state coffers.

⚑️ Ukrainska Pravda raises alarm over 'systematic pressure' from President's Office. https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainska-pravda-raises-alarm-over-systematic-pressure-from-presidents-office/
Ukraine's independent media has taken great strides since the EuroMaidan Revolution, but concerns have been raised since the start of Russia's full-scale invasion.

⚑️ Russian attacks against Ukraine kill 8, injure 34 over past day.
https://kyivindependent.com/attacks-96/

⚑️Russia's missile attack on Odesa Oblast https://kyivindependent.com/russias-missile-attack-on-odesa-oblast-kills-6-injures-11/ kills 6, injures 11.

Ragnar Bjartur Gudmundsson πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦β€¬ β€ͺ
β–  Engagements & casualties below 7-day average
β–  Vehicle losses at a record 7-day level & 7-day MLRS losses at their highest this year
β–  Most πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ strikes in over two weeks

Ukraine Invasion: Part 51
Naem · 10/10/2024 11:35

MissConductUS · 07/10/2024 13:48

There is quite a bit in the Israeli press about how much Russian weaponry they are finding Hezbollah had - ie the stuff literally sitting on the Israel's northern border to be used for a ground invasion Hamas style.

Huge amounts of Russian weaponry is available on the black market. Some are sold with government permission, and some are simply looted from the Russian army and sold. Viktor Bout, the Russian arms dealer who was swapped from Brittany Griner in 2022, is back in the news for selling small arms to the Houthis.

Understood, but the Israeli press are saying something a bit more - eg https://x.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1844272959172771873

"Russia supplied Hezbollah with drones & trained terror operatives on using them, says Lebanese newspaper an-Nahar; according to earlier Reuters report, Moscow was also looking into supplying Houthis in Yemen with anti-ship missiles. "

There is quite a bit of this about. I don't know the truth of it either, but that is the impression I am getting from what is in the Israeli press

x.com

https://x.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1844272959172771873

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 10/10/2024 12:41

UNITED24 Media Telegram Highlights

The EU Council has reached an agreement on a financial assistance package for Ukraine, which includes exceptional macro-financial aid of up to €35 billion and a loan cooperation mechanism to help Ukraine repay up to €45 billion in loans provided by the EU and G7 partners.
The 45-year loan will be repaid using profits from the €300 billion in frozen Russian assets. The Council emphasized its aim to finalize preparations this year, ensuring Ukraine can receive the funds by 2025. [I know Im repeating it but YAY!]

Zelenskyy: Opportunity to End the War by 2025
"The situation on the front creates an opportunity to end the war no later than 2025," stated President Zelenskyy.
He emphasized, "In October, November, and December, we have a chance to shift the situation toward peace and lasting stability. The circumstances on the battlefield provide us with the opportunity to make this choiceβ€”a choice for decisive action to end the war by 2025." The president made these comments at the Ukraine–South-Eastern Europe summit in Dubrovnik.

The numerical superiority of Russian forces over Ukraine on the battlefield will likely begin to decrease by the end of this year, according to American military analyst Michael Kofman.
Kofman believes that while the Kremlin continues to pressure Ukraine, suffering high levels of attrition, it is now beginning to struggle under β€œvery significant constraints.”
... However, he cautioned against expecting Russia to run out of equipment or personnel soon..... Kofman’s first explanation is that Moscow is replacing significant losses of equipment with Soviet-era weapons, but even these reserve stocks will not last indefinitely.... High payments to contract soldiers in Russia indicate that recruitment efforts are under pressure, he points out. Kofman believes that the Russian government will struggle to maintain the surge in bonuses and benefits it offers to new recruits. ... For instance, the British Ministry of Defense has estimated that the Kremlin will lose 1,000 soldiers daily during the coming winter, after suffering record daily losses in May and September. ...The slow and costly pace of hostilities has consequences not only for the front lines in Ukraine but also for Russia’s wartime economy. It remains unclear how long Moscow can continue increasing its war budget.

The Russians Hit Odesa Region’s Port Infrastructure with Ballistic Missiles
As a result of the strike, six people were killed and eleven were injured. They are currently receiving medical assistance, with seven in serious condition.
During the attack, a civilian ship flying the Panamanian flagβ€”the container ship Shui Spiritβ€”was damaged. This is the third foreign vessel attacked by the Russian Federation in the last four days.

In order to protect the energy industry, Ukraine needs additional air defense systems, β€” the Ministry of Energy
At the end of the summer, the Russians used their most expensive and most advanced ballistic missiles during an attack on the energy system, Energy Minister Herman Galushchenko said.
Protective structures cannot normally protect energy objects from such weapons. The only way of protection is air defense systems.
To this end, Ukraine is conducting comprehensive work with Western partners to obtain additional air defense systems.

Zelenskyy Announces Long-Term Support Agreement with Croatia

The 14 member countries of NATO’s eastern wing have increased their defense spending to unprecedented levels following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. This year alone, their combined expenditures amount to $70 billion, according to Bloomberg.

Swedish Defense Minister PΓ₯l Jonson did not rule out the possibility that Russia could attack Sweden in pursuit of control over the Baltic Sea.
Jonson added that despite the Kremlin's forces being "tied up in Ukraine," Moscow has demonstrated a willingness to take significant military and political risks, with the Russian fleet still stationed in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad.

The International Criminal Court (ICC) can hold Belarus accountable for its involvement in the deportation of Ukrainian children, despite Belarus not being a member of the ICC. This is possible because the children were abducted from Ukrainian territory, which is set to officially become a member of the ICC.
To officially join the ICC, Ukraine must submit an accession document that will be approved by the UN Secretary-General.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine announced the successful evacuation of 28 Ukrainians and 40 citizens of other countries from Lebanon. Among those evacuated were 19 adults and nine children.

Meanwhile: Space Perspective Successfully Tests Tourist Balloon to the Edge of Space
The American startup Space Perspective has successfully tested a balloon designed to fly tourists to the edge of space.
This excursion capsule is part of the Neptune-Excelsior spacecraft. The balloon ascended to the border of the atmosphere, reaching a height of 30.5 kilometers (18.8 miles) above the Earth's surface. Following the ascent, the capsule descended in a controlled manner and landed in the Gulf of Mexico, near the coast of Florida.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 10/10/2024 12:48

Unconfirmed rumour:

The Central Bank is likely to raise the key rate to a record 20% or more in the near future. Deputy Chairman of the Central Bank Alexey Zabotkin reported that inflation is still above 4% and it is necessary to further tighten monetary policy.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 10/10/2024 14:41

Live: Ukraine Telegram Highlights

Solovyov is upset that Israel sent an air defense early warning system to Ukraine instead of Belgorod [First report I've heard of Israel sending an EWS unless it was many months ago and it's faded]

A second Russian MiG-31K fighter jet has arrived in Belarus. According to the monitoring project "Belaruski Hayun," the aircraft landed at the "Machulishchy" airbase. Yesterday, another MiG-31K also arrived at this same airbase

❗️In Odesa Oblast, the death toll from yesterday's missile attack has risen to 8.

The air alarms are getting worse in Ukraine
They can last throughout the entire night in many Ukrainian regions because Russia has increased its attacks with Iranian-designed Shahed drones. Ukrainians are often left with a choice to either ignore the alarms and sleep, hoping to wake up in the morning, or spend sleepless nights in shelters and then go to work as usual.

πŸ‡¦πŸ‡ΉAustrian President Alexander Van der Bellen has decided https://www.diepresse.com/18947410/pattsituation-van-der-bellen-erteilt-vorerst-keinen-regierungsbildungsauftrag?ref=home_aufmacher not to assign the task of forming a government to the winner of the elections, the far-right Austrian Freedom Party (FPΓ–). Instead, he has proposed that the three leading political forces that achieved the best results in the elections negotiate among themselves.

β€žPattsituationβ€œ: Van der Bellen erteilt vorerst keinen...

Nach GesprΓ€chen mit den Vorsitzenden aller Parlamentsparteien sei β€žein unΓΌblicher Fall eingetretenβ€œ, sagt BundesprΓ€sident Alexander Van der Bellen. Nun soll Klarheit geschaffen werden, β€žwer was...

https://www.diepresse.com/18947410/pattsituation-van-der-bellen-erteilt-vorerst-keinen-regierungsbildungsauftrag?ref=home_aufmacher

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 10/10/2024 14:46

Kyiv Post Telegram Highlights

Kyiv Post Morning News Roundup for October 10th, 2024
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/40260

Russia's Wagner mercenaries continue committing atrocities in Africa.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/40231

Member of European Parliament, Moritz Korner calls Victor Orban a "useful idiot for China and Russia".

After facing almost 2 years of public outrage and boycotts, consumer goods giant, Unilever has finally exited the Russian market.
The company's Russian and Belarusian assets have been sold to a Russian company for an undisclosed amount.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/40283

Ukraine to Audit Conscription Deferral System Amidst Increasing Cases
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/40300

Wagner Aided Drone Strike That Killed 7 Civilians in Mali – Ukrainian Intel

Ukrainian intelligence sources corroborate reports of Russian Wagner mercenaries helping Malian troops in a retaliatory strike in northern Mali that killed seven civilians and injured three.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/40231

Natsku · 10/10/2024 15:49

Mb76 · 09/10/2024 07:57

Really worried about hurricane Milton, mum and her husband are in Largo in Zone B. Not evacuating. 😰 They are in the concrete apartment block on the middle floor so flooding and loss of roof aren’t going to affect them presumably, but I don’t know if their windows will hold up. Plus debris and people’s damaged belongings chucked out after Helene, that they streets are still full of could cause further damage. Couldn’t persuade them to leave and now it’s too late. I’m not going to sleep tonight worrying.
sorry to derail from Ukraine, this hurricane is big news right now

Hope your mum and her husband are OK. I have a couple of friends in florida, one is OK but the other I haven't heard from since yesterday but hopefully is just out if power and reception.

Igotjelly · 10/10/2024 15:53

Natsku · 10/10/2024 15:49

Hope your mum and her husband are OK. I have a couple of friends in florida, one is OK but the other I haven't heard from since yesterday but hopefully is just out if power and reception.

There does seem to be pretty significant power and signal outages so fingers crossed that's what it is.

MissConductUS · 10/10/2024 15:57

Naem · 10/10/2024 11:35

Understood, but the Israeli press are saying something a bit more - eg https://x.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1844272959172771873

"Russia supplied Hezbollah with drones & trained terror operatives on using them, says Lebanese newspaper an-Nahar; according to earlier Reuters report, Moscow was also looking into supplying Houthis in Yemen with anti-ship missiles. "

There is quite a bit of this about. I don't know the truth of it either, but that is the impression I am getting from what is in the Israeli press

This doesn't surprise me a bit. Hezbollah is just an extension of the IRGC. This is part of how Russia is paying for Iranian weapons.

MagicFox · 10/10/2024 16:00

New thread: Ukraine Invasion: Part 52 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/5184558-ukraine-invasion-part-52

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MissConductUS · 10/10/2024 16:02

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 10/10/2024 12:48

Unconfirmed rumour:

The Central Bank is likely to raise the key rate to a record 20% or more in the near future. Deputy Chairman of the Central Bank Alexey Zabotkin reported that inflation is still above 4% and it is necessary to further tighten monetary policy.

Inflation in Russia is running between 8 and 9 percent:

https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/core-inflation-rate

That's one reason why they keep raising interest rates. It's not sustainable in the long run.

Russia Core Inflation Rate

Core consumer prices in Russia increased 8.44 percent in August of 2024 over the same month in the previous year. This page provides the latest reported value for - Russia Core Inflation Rate - plus previous releases, historical high and low, short-ter...

https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/core-inflation-rate

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 10/10/2024 16:44

Could we fill up the end of this thread so that we don't get the unconstructive people invading like they've done before?

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 10/10/2024 16:44

Slava

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 10/10/2024 16:44

Ukraini

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 10/10/2024 16:49

How many posts do we need now?

MissConductUS · 10/10/2024 16:51

Go Army, beat Navy! πŸ˜€

MagicFox · 10/10/2024 16:53

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