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Update on "riots" tonight from local news sites

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fernsandlilies · 07/08/2024 20:02

Brighton - Less than 10 anti-immigration 'protesters' and about 1,500 counter-protesters with more arriving all the time. Jazz band playing. No violence observed or reported. A couple of buses had to stop for a few minutes to get through the crowd.

Hastings likewise - a handful of anti-immigrationists, and hundreds of counter protesters, chanting "say it loud, say it clear, refugees are welcome here".

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RunningOutOfImaginitiveUsernames · 08/08/2024 01:02

PeppercornMill · 08/08/2024 00:28

It's an interesting, but not new, idea. There was talk about refusing NHS treatment to anyone who refused to have the covid jab.

As much as it sounds a good idea, it does comprise the ideals of the NHS being available to everyone. Where do we stop? Refusing cancer treatment to smokers etc?

The two are not comparable. That's like saying 'women know they will have to give birth if they get pregnant, so why should the tax payer pay for maternity care?'

The NHS IS available to everyone, they can choose to refuse it by being abusive towards staff. No one should go to work and expect to treat someone who has attacked or threatened them.

samarrange · 08/08/2024 01:30

Mmmmminteresting · 08/08/2024 00:24

So the very many new arrivals who tossed their passports into the sea before they landed, and then claimed to be refugees are all genuine? without paperwork how does anybody know who they are? Fact is, nobody knows. They can’t leave them on the beach so they ferry them off to the holiday inn.

I ask again, why are they leaving France? A safe haven for refugees I would think, but maybe they don’t get the luxury of hotel accomodation in France.

I ask again, why are they leaving France? A safe haven for refugees I would think, but maybe they don’t get the luxury of hotel accomodation in France.

Because many of them speak some English, whereas in France (and Germany, and Austria, and Slovenia, and Croatia, and Bosnia, and North Macedonia, and Greece, all of which many of them will have passed through) they don't speak a word of the local language. Also, they may have extended family members in the UK, who they hope can help them find work.

The UK is missing a trick by not evaluating their asylum cases, sending back the ones with no great fear of persecution (Albania seems like a quick win there), and then legalising the rest. Compared to the 1.2 million working visas issued in one year (FY 2022-2023) they would be a drop in the bucket. But the Tories preferred to let them pile up to try and throw some red meat to their Reform-inclined supporters. Much good it did them.

NonsuchCastle · 08/08/2024 01:41

Comedycook · 07/08/2024 20:33

And the anti semetism on those marches......?

What do you think? Anti-semitism is filthy. As is what is happening in Gaza. It's a complex situation.

Rosedreaming · 08/08/2024 01:41

StoneofDestiny · 07/08/2024 23:10

"if the far right were targetting synagogues then the anti-fascist Left would be defending those"

"I very much doubt that"

Then you really are in your own bubble - there would certainly be people defending them. I do think you are just trying to divert the support away from the migrants and making it about "your own prejudiced view of the world".

I am an Iranian Jew. So I'm brown and Jewish and I have to say it's way scarier to be Jewish in this country right now. I can't hide being brown but I'm afraid to tell people I'm Jewish because the people who I have always supported and trusted - people in left wing, queer spaces, are becoming terrifyingly antisemitic.

As for people defending synagogues - my synagogue was defaced with swastikas a few months ago - I came out of my door to find swastikas drawn all along my street. It didn't even make the news outside the local community and no offers of help were made.

Synagogues and Jewish schools in this country have armed guards because they receive constant death and bomb threats - where are the defenders? The only ones are from the Jewish community.

I'm gay. At the dyke March in Brighton which is meant to be a pride event, banners displaying the Hamas red triangle were shown - a symbol as frightening to me as a swastika. At all pride marches anti-Zionist banners have been displayed - now, to be Zionist only means that you believe the Jews should have a safe self determined homeland. If you believe in a two state solution and want a peaceful safe Israel and a peaceful safe Palestine as I do then you are a Zionist. 95 percent of Jews hold Zionist beliefs, according to all polls I have ever seen, so when you hear people saying they don't hate Jews just Zionists they are actually saying 'I don't hate Jews just 95 percent of Jews'.

My friends have been told to 'go back to Poland' when they have no links to Poland. Incidentally when Jews did try to return to Poland after the war they were met by mobs and slaughtered there. It's one of the factors that lead to the necessary creation of Israel.

My younger family members have been attacked, harassed and spat at in the streets for being visibly Jewish on the way to Jewish schools.

White students in Keffiyeh at student protests have used the Hamas red triangle, spoken about globalising violence against Jews and made death threats.

the Israeli team at the Olympics have recieved multiple death threats. Crowds in an Olympic stadium held up Palestinian flags and chanted heil Hitler at the Israeli athletes.

We are often told Jews are attending the protests - many of these Jews are a sect called the Neturei Karta - they are Jews who believe the Holocaust was punishment for not being good enough Jews and that we must suffer more before we can return to Israel - that's why they are anti Zionist because they think only the purest who have suffered most deserve to live there.

Please also consider the many young Jews who know they will lose friends if they are seen to be in any way supportive of Israel when their friends are yelling about Israel being baby killers. This is why we get tired of hearing that there were 'good Jews' at the protests.

If the Palestinian protests wanted peace they would be protesting both for freedom and self determination for Palestine and for Israel - for an end to war and a return of the hostages and for Hamas to give themselves up.

They wouldn't be calling Israel genocidal and not shouting about Hamas and Iran's openly stated genocidal intentions and wish to destroy Israel and the Jewish people.

They wouldn't be invoking blood libel stereotypes against Israel and not mentioning the children killed on October 7th - two children of a family friend were burned alive among many killed that day. I personally had family at the Nova festival who survived when many of his friends did not - I have been told that claims of murder and rape on October 7th were fake.

They wouldn't be saying Israel was 'killing brown people' as someone has said in this thread because they'd know that 20 percent of the population of Israel (not Palestine just Israel) are non-Jewish Arabs and 50 percent of the population are Mizrahi Jews like me whose families were ethnically cleansed from the wider Middle East - there used to be 2 million Jews living in the Middle East outside Israel, now there are maybe 1000, due to this ethnic cleansing.

They wouldn't be calling Jews who fled europe after quarter of them were murdered for not being white 'white oppressors' either.

They might not rage about there being a Jewish ethnostate which is a tiny country the size of wales with a population the size of Greater London where about a third of the worlds Jews live ( there are still only 16 million Jews in the whole world by the way compared with 2 billion Christian's and more than a billion Muslims ) when Israel is only 76% Jewish but Greece and Romania are 90 percent Christian and just about every Arab state is 90 percent Muslim.

Anyway this got very long but I read this thread and wanted to try to explain why pro-Palestinian flags at an unrelated protest can be upsetting. It's another space that I feel unwelcome in, because I'm frightened of how those people view Jews. Meanwhile I'm frightened of how the rioters view Jews and people of Middle Eastern origin. So where can I feel safe? Nowhere, it seems.

I was very glad to see the counter protests, it does make me feel glad that the racism on the extreme right has been called out in such a way. But I wish antisemitism on the left wasn't being given such a free pass and dismissed when we try to say we are frightened.

Mmmmminteresting · 08/08/2024 01:44

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AInightingale · 08/08/2024 02:54

The more asylum seekers settle and are granted permission to stay in the UK, the more those eager to leave their own countries will have family members here. Surely an amnesty, which is looking likely, will increase the chances of this? We will see an increase in demand for asylum in the UK and the numbers will continue to rise. I can't see dealing with the issue getting any easier for Starmer's govt even though it may clear the backlog in the short term.

aviatorsrus · 08/08/2024 03:39

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Are you Robert Jenrick?

Greywhippet · 08/08/2024 04:28

Mmmmminteresting · 08/08/2024 00:24

So the very many new arrivals who tossed their passports into the sea before they landed, and then claimed to be refugees are all genuine? without paperwork how does anybody know who they are? Fact is, nobody knows. They can’t leave them on the beach so they ferry them off to the holiday inn.

I ask again, why are they leaving France? A safe haven for refugees I would think, but maybe they don’t get the luxury of hotel accomodation in France.

Having worked in Calais and spoken to many people in the camp there a few years ago I can tell you that your assessment of them is totally wrong.
But obviously you won’t be letting any facts stop you.

LBFseBrom · 08/08/2024 04:29

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Where did you see that? I can't find it in the media.

CalicoPusscat · 08/08/2024 04:44

Greywhippet · 08/08/2024 04:28

Having worked in Calais and spoken to many people in the camp there a few years ago I can tell you that your assessment of them is totally wrong.
But obviously you won’t be letting any facts stop you.

Can you tell us more about it please? Genuine.

Glad the riots appear to be dying out, it was horrific

oakleaffy · 08/08/2024 04:57

LBFseBrom · 08/08/2024 04:29

Where did you see that? I can't find it in the media.

I have yet to see police running backwards- That's quite a skill!
The Human legs don't work that way.

Although there has been a terror threat to Taylor Swift gig, so all are cancelled in Austria. {That IS true}

CalicoPusscat · 08/08/2024 05:04

@oakleaffy I'm going to try running backwards in the front room later. When no-one is around to see me.

oakleaffy · 08/08/2024 05:17

Vintagevixen · 07/08/2024 23:50

I mean, did anyone even think this list was real and not a massive prank?

As soon as I saw Brighton, Bristol, Oxford, Walthamstow on the list - these places are hardly the heartlands of support for these people. No way they'd go protest there.

Also there were over 20 places on it - way too many.

Someone, somewhere is laughing at fooling loads of middle class people who came out, blocked roads, caused traffic chaos and used up a shit ton of police resources.

If attacks happen, they're gonna be when least expected, they won't be providing times, places, dates and their inside leg measurements!

EXACTLY!
Some of the most left wing and ''luvvy'' cities out there- I too was very very surprised.

If an underground group {who feel very angry and aggrieved} are going to plan riots, they would hardly advertise the fact.

Time will tell if they are out of steam.

oakleaffy · 08/08/2024 05:20

CalicoPusscat · 08/08/2024 05:04

@oakleaffy I'm going to try running backwards in the front room later. When no-one is around to see me.

Just be careful you don't bump into anything! Stay safe!

CalicoPusscat · 08/08/2024 05:22

oakleaffy · 08/08/2024 05:20

Just be careful you don't bump into anything! Stay safe!

🤣

Mmmmminteresting · 08/08/2024 05:40

oakleaffy · 08/08/2024 04:57

I have yet to see police running backwards- That's quite a skill!
The Human legs don't work that way.

Although there has been a terror threat to Taylor Swift gig, so all are cancelled in Austria. {That IS true}

Well, there is a first time for everything. Depends how scared you are at the time.

Muthaofcats · 08/08/2024 06:14

Spectre8 · 07/08/2024 21:33

Why just refugees and Muslims? What about other minorities or do they somehow magically not suffer from racism and hate too? 🤨🤔

Ridiculous to pick at this when we are making the same point!!!

I am taking issue with this being taken over as an anti Islam thing when it was clearly much bigger than that.

Gorgonemilezola · 08/08/2024 06:23

Mmmmminteresting · 08/08/2024 05:38

I don't think this shows what you claim it shows.

Mmmmminteresting · 08/08/2024 06:32

Gorgonemilezola · 08/08/2024 06:23

I don't think this shows what you claim it shows.

Then you haven’t watched it

EasterIssland · 08/08/2024 06:35

AInightingale · 08/08/2024 02:54

The more asylum seekers settle and are granted permission to stay in the UK, the more those eager to leave their own countries will have family members here. Surely an amnesty, which is looking likely, will increase the chances of this? We will see an increase in demand for asylum in the UK and the numbers will continue to rise. I can't see dealing with the issue getting any easier for Starmer's govt even though it may clear the backlog in the short term.

Asylum seekers is nothing new

from the gov website

  • The annual number of asylum applications to the UK peaked in 2002 at 84,132. After that the number fell sharply to reach a twenty-year low point of 17,916 in 2010. It rose steadily throughout the 2010s, then rapidly from 2021 onwards to reach 81,130 applications in 2022, the highest annual number since 2002.

In 2023, asylum seekers and refugees made up around 11% of immigrants to the UK.

Gorgonemilezola · 08/08/2024 06:55

Mmmmminteresting · 08/08/2024 06:32

Then you haven’t watched it

If I hadn't watched it I wouldn't tell you it doesn't show what you're claiming it does.

Willmafrockfit · 08/08/2024 06:56

NewName24 · 08/08/2024 00:00

I can't tell you how much this photo warms the cockles of my heart.

Then to hear all over the news how similar was repeated across the Country.

We know these thugs are a tiny minority, but to see the actually photo is just fab.

agree

Lentilweaver · 08/08/2024 06:57

Was very cheered that London stayed largely peaceful and the anti-racism turnout in Walthamstow!

itsgettingweird · 08/08/2024 06:59

ticktickticktickBOOM · 07/08/2024 21:41

“Where’s your Tommy gone"

😄

There another song in that 😂