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I’m personally not okay with rioting but understand why it’s happening.
What is the best way to fix this issue and do you think it is mass immigration that has caused it?

I don't think it can be easily explained. None of my (now mostly dead) extended family would have been out doing this despite not having a pot to piss in. They would have been horrified. My friends and neighbours are appalled. Working class does not equal racist.

I do think there's a loss of self respect for men associated with the loss of working class skilled and semiskilled jobs. Those jobs don't exist anymore; either they're done abroad for cheap labour or they're done by machines. When you're angry and looking for meaning, you're vulnerable to manipulation.

And it's manipulation by the rich via mainstream media (and hostile states via social media) that's stoked this up.

For years, they blamed the consequences of globalisation and declining living standards on the bogeyman of the EU. But Brexit has delivered nothing and so there needed to be a new scapegoat.

It is true you see it every day on here and other platforms.
We have had immigration for decades and only the racists had a problem with it. But here we are in civil unrest. The rich don’t care because it has no impact on them

There has ALWAYS been latent racism in the country. Every now and then it comes to the fore. Just look at the 1980s. Usually the white working classes.

There really is! I don’t understand why people so readily ‘other’ the north without any desire to question their prejudices. I mean what do people expect it’s going to be like?!

When I worked in London a colleague told me she was “scared of The North” and I thought it was the most ignorant and stupid thing I had ever heard in my life. It still is.

But the jobs do exist now, the Country is crying out for plumbers, roofers, brickllayers!

How many of those people setting fire to the hotel in Rotherham had to go to work this morning? Not many I suspect!

Brexit is something that happened and because the Cameron didn’t actually have a plan it went tits up.
The people who voted Brexit wanted something they were promised that never materialised.
I can’t blame to voters, only the government who didn’t think it would happen and didn’t plan for a leave win

I don’t know how we fix it, because their rioting doesn’t make sense.

if they’re mad at violence against girls, then why aren’t they angry at the countless white men who kill every week in domestic violent attacks.

They say immigrants ‘don’t have British values’, well would they send Mo Farrah home? The NHS Dr or nurse that’s helped them? Immigrants are less likely to be on benefits than a white person, should we send the lazy white person somewhere else?

And if people don’t abide by ‘British values’, which I think are acceptance at its core, then should criminals or intolerant homophobes be sent somewhere else?

And I'm from Sheffield, my city was decimated, I understand that these areas need investment & infrastructure & hope!

But they aren't out with a placard asking for that! They are attacking the police & trying to set fire to people trapped in a hotel!

No immigration hasn't caused it, though the way that's been managed has added fuel to the fascists fire.
It's happening because the arseholes want it to happen, and are choosing to make it happen, because fascist uprising is a 40 year cycle in the UK and we're literally due it.
It's being massively fueled by those who want to try and turn it into something usable for themselves, destabilize a government that several power bases don't want, and followed by lots of dumb semi disenfranchised fools.
They are the same lot that make everyone's lives hell in school, make living in SH miserable, destroy community gardens and everything we try to build for kids in the community, and pissed up trash everything they can on a Saturday night, battle with the bouncers, security and the police, turn up primed to fight at footie, start road rage crap if they feel dissed, and routinely batter the women dim enough to show interest and have kids with them.
They are always like this, just looking for a new 'reason' to do what they always do.
They are the bane of LC and WC communities, and the minority.

It's a hot summer and violence begets violence so if the police can't sort it, we're headed for an excuse for looting and other groups of brainless violent men to go for who owns the streets and delivering street justice.

There was a London riot and looting against immigrants in the 1600's, they hung a fair few before people started worrying about would feed their women and kids, - it did the trick for a bit.

I have been sitting here watching this and pleased the police have taken a heavy hand.

Unfortunately Birmingham police have decided to take the evening off whilst another group of lawless men with weapons have blocked roads.

If they don’t get out there and arrest people then I don’t really know what to say actually.

Maybe we do have a serious fucking problem.

Probably none, but
when you live in poverty it is a kick in the teeth to see asylum seekers moaning about housing. I think you have to have lived in poverty to understand the anger.

You dont fix thuggery. They like a fight and pick a weak target. Its a mob. Mindless violence.

As for poverty - a lot of working class arent that poor. Its a poor excuse more like.

On the topic of net migration - if that were really the aim of all of the governments from 1997 till now, don't you think they would be incentivising people in the UK to have more children?

Other than lip service none of them have, KS himself just removed the whip from 7 of his own party for asking for more than 2 children child benefit restrictions to be lifted.

I just don't believe thats what mass immigration is actually about.

But they were also seen as different and an easy target and sustained persecution across Europe for centuries.
I was not trying to be clever, why did you think Hitler and Nazi propaganda picked on them and other minorities like Roma people among others?
The racists are attacking mosques that have been standing here fit a white and people who also have been living here for generations.

Can anyone tell me how the fireworks being thrown at police and press in Plymouth demonstrate anything other than what thugs and idiots are involved in these protests? Look at them- they're swaying .. what are they on ?

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Racist scum will always find someone else to blame for their shit life.
It's never their fault that they didn't get educated or get a job or have a big house.
It's the person in the boats coming over who are to blame!
You really can't argue with stupid!

I do know quite a few asylum seekers, none complain about the housing. Such generalisations as yours don't help. The fact one person complained here and there did not mean people who escaped slaughter are not grateful for safety.

I saw some protests in Birmingham today amongst the Asian community but it looked fairly peaceful. They had Palestine flags so I assume they were supporting Palestine.
I would like more support for British folk of any colour because we have our own people to represent and support.
Why can’t leaders ask Israel to relinquish occupation of Gaza and let them do their own thing?

Lack of strict education.

You make an excellent point.

It isn’t just mainstream politicians that have been gaslighting the white working class. The mainstream media have been just as bad. We constantly see an idealised liberal middle class vision of a harmonious multicultural society promoted via the media. But as anyone who has ever lived in the urban areas which have been transformed knows, the reality is often very different. Instead of integration, too often we have segregation & ghettos. Some communities don’t want to integrate, make no attempt to do so and essentially live in separate towns within British cities which are actively hostile to ‘outsiders’. Anyone who doubts this should try visiting Highfields or St Matthew’s in Leicester.

Oh I don’t think increasing immigration is a political aim, but the fact remains that we do need it. Immigrants are a net positive for the economy in the sense that they’re normally young and often work multiple jobs. They pay tax and don’t put massive pressure on the NHS like older people do (not a dig, just reality, I will be a pensioner too some day).

I don’t think people realise how bad things would get without it given our falling birth rates. Our economy would collapse and there doesn’t seem to be any appetite to incentivise people to have more children.

This is really the big problem within our society. We’ve been fed benefits bashing and immigration bashing rhetoric for decades. We’re signing our own death warrant.

Yikes, the oversimplification... Representing "our own people" does not exclude protesting for injustice abroad.
If Israel is key do their own thing, there won't be many Palestinians left... Read maybe about how the world failed Rwanda by letting them "do their one thing".

I did live in poverty, I am from a City that lost its industry, my dad was unemployed for years!
Free school meals all that!

I still would never have thrown fence posts at the police!

I don't know how you reach these people, even if we sent every asylum seeker home tomorrow their lives would still be shit, they would still be poor, they still wouldn't have a job!

What can be done? now things are even worse in their towns, they have lost the Library food bank, the Citizen's advice bureaux etc etc!

It's actually bloody sad!

The public need some kind of reassurance that when people do migrate to or claim asylum in the UK the presence of those people will not actively work against UK interests. It feels like there is an inbuilt naivety in the system. Why should a hate preacher who is deemed too extreme for an Islamic country be able to move here? Why have former senior Hamas commanders or members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard been able to move here? Why are members of proscribed organisations able to move here and then foment anti-UK protests? Why was a sex offender such as the Clapham acid attacker able to stay here? Why was an Afghan asylum seeker able to successfully appeal an asylum decision not despite committing sex offences here but because he had committed them?

I think the rioters are scummy and stupid and just deeply nasty people looking for a ruck but I also feel rather gaslit and frustrated when we have an incident such as the Manchester Arena bombing and the media and politicians immediately direct us into getting bee tattoos and singing Don't Look Back in Anger instead of really questioning why someone from a known Libyan extremist family was allowed into the country.

When terrible things happen the reaction should instantly be scrutiny and questioning and thought about how it happened and where things went wrong and could be changed. However, nowadays we are always pushed into a #bekind reaction or told there is 'nothing to see here' or that 'it's too soon to make this political' or that 'you are trying to weaponise a tragedy.' Lessons never seem to be learned, preventative action never seems to happen. People don't feel kind, they feel suppressed and frustrated and that turns into anger directed at the wrong people. There's a feeling that public safety is secondary to economic interests that never seem to benefit them.