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I’m personally not okay with rioting but understand why it’s happening.
What is the best way to fix this issue and do you think it is mass immigration that has caused it?

The population was 50 million in the 60s now it's 67? million or there abouts that is a massive increase. But somehow we are expected to welcome all these people we need - no I don't buy it.

What a horrible thing to say. Thoroughly repugnant.

It's true.

We don't have the police, the barristers, the nurses, train drivers to cope with this population yet still it is allowed to expand.

The actual population of the UK could be getting on for 100 million now. The article and quote below was published nearly 20 years ago.

“Consumption – that's the thing. Based on what we eat, one big supermarket chain reckons there are 80 million people living in the UK.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/city-eye-facts-on-a-plate-our-population-is-at-least-77-million-5328454.html

It’s crap. Dismissing people as ‘lazy’ when they live in poverty is crap and downright offensive.

If you had actually lived in poverty and in a truly deprived area you wouldn’t be so judgemental. Privilege at its finest is on display in your comments.

🤣🤣🤣 I grew up with a dad in prison, had a baby when I was 18, was left homeless after leaving an abusive relationship, spent 4 years unemployed and on benefits, and I still get benefits now. I live in a housing association flat. Unlike many people on here, I know what it's like.

Working class poverty is a thing for all groups. The difference is there are a group of people who feel entitled to help above everyone else. They are literally going around beating up random Black and Brown people and burning down hotels because the are housing asylum seekers, that is racist.

Immigrants are not treated better they in many cases don't feel entitled and once they can work the do and will work anywhere and do anything in order to be independent.

Yes it's amazing what underinvestment and not training poeple over years and years does.

This, completely.

I see a lot of "I'm not racist but ..."
People don't recognise their own racism because they feel it's bad to be racist ( true ) so they deny

Absolutely Meadow; once people feel they have nothing to lose then we see this sort of 'couldn't careless' behaviour. I worked in adult ed; it was decimated and opportunities for adults to get back into learning and connect with others are very limited. And this is what is so sad because in my experience, community learning can bring people together which can help foster connection and respect but also improved wellbeing and hope for the future. People say to me, but why can't people go to college but the attitude on the ground, is that college is seen as a place for younger people plus classes are generally too large and overwhelming. I've worked with many adults who tried college but didn't get the learning support they needed so came into the adult ed system. There are many adults out there with unidentified learning difficulties that have struggled their whole life and find it difficult to get into jobs and/or lift themselves out of poverty. The issue of SEND/disability across the lifespan has to be better understood by our political leaders but frankly, they don't seem interested.

I really hope the government and schools use this as a nationwide teaching opportunity in September.

So many young teens and kids out mindlessly joining in with the rioting and thuggery.

Every school needs to do something to educate kids on refugees, the dangers of misinformation and consequences of this behaviour - some of those thugs will be going to prison, fined or losing jobs (if they had any).

Or perhaps you are lucky enough to have a natural aptitude for spotting an opportunity. Or you have a higher IQ. Or simply more confidence. Or supportive parents who ensured you could read and write properly.

Your contempt for your class mates who were not that lucky is thoroughly nasty.

People differ. Just because you managed it (and so did I) does not make it ok for you to sneer at those who struggled.

"I've worked with many adults who tried college but didn't get the learning support they needed so came into the adult ed system. There are many adults out there with unidentified learning difficulties that have struggled their whole life and find it difficult to get into jobs and/or lift themselves out of poverty. The issue of SEND/disability across the lifespan has to be better understood by our political leaders but frankly, they don't seem interested."

Now this is an important issue and needs to be addressed and has nothing to do with immigration. There are so many issue that could be protested about that would support all of those stuck in poverty

No sneering from me. Just what I've seen.

Even most of the kids who performed terribly at school have done alright. My friend went to prison when she was 18 and in our 30s now she earns more than I do. Because she wanted more from life.

There is certainly an undeniable issue with housing and cost of living that can't be ignored.

Releasing prisoners was a Tory policy because of no investment in the criminal justice system for 14 years. Policing was viciously cut by the party of Law and Order.
Many pensioners are well off and don’t need the WFP. Some do and the benefit should be means tested.
Rwanda was a busted flush costing millions per person sent there. Most experts agree it was an incredibly stupid policy.
Why is there a backlog of asylum seekers ? Austerity and ruthless cutting of public services.
Why are parts of the north in an absolute state ? Because successive governments have failed to invest and which party has been in power for most of the last 100 years ? Not the LP.

Yeah stripping back surestart and youth clubs and libraries in towns really hasn't helped matters.

If the North is an ‘absolute state’….why not riot last year? Or 4 years ago? Or 8 years ago……

Brexit was the wrong answer to the UK’s problems. The leavers have had 8 years in charge. Every opportunity to make it work. A government that disliked immigration as much as individual voters and spouted incendiary crap. Brexit still hasn’t worked, the country is still in a mess. Why can’t we say that ? What I don’t understand are the huge numbers of Tory supporters on here whingeing. They had their chance, they messed it up, end of.

British working/lower class only

Are you saying that you only want replies from British working/lower class people only? By the way, they are two very different things, or are you suggesting that it's only the British working 'lower class' that take part in these things?
I'd get Mumsnet to edit that title.

Agree. Why didn’t they riot years ago ?
Parts of the north are a disgrace, some of the poorest places in Europe. Levelling up never came. Why riot now when clearly the Tories have been lying for years and never intended to follow through their promises. Why riot when a new government is in power ?

@Leniriefenstahl you've not understood the point of the post I quoted. I agreed with the poster saying there was a (typically middle class) attitude that anyone of lower income considering voting leave was thick etc, that they with their better incomes knew better not because of a strength of argument but because of an arrogance and entitlement. There were so many comments like that. I'm not arguing about the merits of Brexit I'm talking about the conduct of some supporters of remain during the referendum

I have no idea how many you would consider asylum seekers vs economic migrants because this is not easy to determine, that’s why decisions need to be made on a case by case basis. I have no problem with people being deported if their claims are rejected. But what you say about women and children is not correct. Men are often sent first by their families because the long land crossing is dangerous. They hope to settle here, get work and then bring their families later by safer means. This might imply quite a patriarchal attitude towards women, but it doesn’t mean a lack of care.

in fact there are thousands of women who arrive here every year on spouse and family visas. You won’t have protests about this though, because they move straight into family homes and are therefore largely invisible. It doesn’t mean they are any more or less likely to ‘share our values’, though I agree they probably won’t be out hassling women on the street.

I do not advocate strongly on either side of this debate, but what infuriates me is people falling for these silly little sound bites, failing to actually learn some basic facts or to see how complex it is.

They have been arrested, charged and bailed.