I’m already fed up of Starmer as PM

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Semi- lighthearted, I know it’s early days, but I’m not convinced of Starmer as an effective leader
He reads from his notes even when giving a short speech; if he really believed in what he is saying, why the need?
He doesn’t seem to have the leadership X factor and doesn’t seem to have a grip on the ongoing riots
Bright new start for UK? Doesn’t feel like it

All else aside, I don’t care if he gives badly delivered speeches. Beware the charismatic leader.

More people voted for Conservatives/Reform than voted Labour.

Can’t stand him. Ineffective. But I didn’t vote for him.

By the same calculation only 8% of people support reform and 92% disagree that’s virtually no support from members of the public.

"More people voted for Conservatives/Reform than voted Labour."

Once again FPTP has been our accepted form of democracy for more than a century. Seems like you don't really understand the UK political system at all.

The tories didn't lose because they were right wing (although they weren't) they lost because they were incompetent. Labour are even more incompetent so the country will be in an even worse condition in 5 years (I really don't want that but I didn't vote for em!).

When did anyone post this about any of the awful tory PMs?

Starmer is going to start to sort out the shit we're all in.

He deserves to be given time.

Complere numbskulls posting on here since labour got in...

Did I mention the money pensioners got was given to them by Gordon Brown and now due to the amoubt if fraud (at least £26b) under the tories and the amount of overspend and spend on nepotism, we cannot afford to keep it? Did I mention tory plans were unfunded? Did I mention tories had no idea how to resolve junior doctors?.... stop bkaming labour fir having to take brutal decisions. Hold you criticism for the last five tory PMs.

I'm going to pay a hell of a lot more than £300 but I'm good with it if I can get a doctors appointment, get my multi year waiting list cut, find an nhs dentist.....

Reform and Conservatives aren't the same.

More people voted Labour + Lib Dem + Green than Reform + Conservative. It means nothing. We have FPTP representative democracy and elected a Labour government. Stop being a sore loser.

It’s barmy to judge Starmer by this outbreak of violence.

Where I do agree with you, though, OP, is that Starmer is a terrible speaker and completely uninspiring. Not being Boris Johnson is one thing, but being twitchy and uncertain is another.

I don’t quite get what you’re trying to say here?

Yes the 80s/90s were ok, but people had much different expectations (would live more frugally in those days). I remember my mortgage having a hideous interest rate, and being stuffed by my endowment mortgage later on too!

Are you suggesting that all those who voted Reform support the rioters?
That every Reform voter thinks it is acceptable to burn down shops and throw bricks at police officers, whilst throwing the odd Nazi salute in as you do it?

The riots are taking place because twats on twitter claimed that poor girls in Southport were murdered by a Muslim asylum seeker and that false claim was used by Tommy Robinson and pals, Nigel Farage, and some Russians to whip up a bunch of thugs who were up for a ruck to go to Southport, crash a vigil, throw wheelie bins at the police and attack a mosque.

Then other dickheads thought that looked like fun and thought they'd join in the next day with a bit of looting and arson.

I'm not sure why anyone would want to be associated with that lot.

Barely. And outnumbered by the left wing Lib/lab/green parties if we are adding parties together.

Exactly this. When will the sore losers stop it with the sour grapes? You lost. Get over it.

Coming down hard on violent thugs - excellent stuff.
Sorting the junior doctors strike within weeks - awesome.
Means testing cold weather payments so that only those who need them get them - a good idea. Universal Credit is means tested, Child Benefit is means tested. Young people and working age people have beeen hammered for 14 years, pensioners have been coddled because they are a Tory voting demographic. The pain should be shared.

The very fact that there are so many people on here whining about what Keir Starmer is doing shows that he's strong. Speaking from notes = being prepared. Every eminent scientist whose lectures I have attended over my years at work has spoken from notes. It's called doing a thorough job.

Not at all. The point is that Labour has a huge mandate built on sand because of the system.

They got far fewer votes than when they lost to Theresa May who herself won a 100+ seat majority.

For Labour not to increase their vote share after 14 years of opposition is almost unheard of.

Thank you for demonstrating how effective the Labour party under Starmer was at utilising those who voted for them and the electoral system we have. Intelligent and pragmatic leadership - exactly what the county needs.
There was nothing to stop any other parties doing the same.

Out of interest when we had a referendum on an alternative voting system did you campaign and vote for change?

Of course we can't really revisit that, because once a referendum has occurred the will of the people is clear and that topic is finished.

If Reform stood down and there was another GE tomorrow do you think Labour would win?

Is now the time to point out in the interests of factual accuracy that the last Prime Minister to win a majority of those voting was Stanley Baldwin, and that Churchill in 1951 became Prime Minister with fewer votes for his party than Attlee achieved for his in the same election.

I'm saying that govts of the past 25 years have made a complete mess of the uk (and the middle East with all their evil wars). The UK was well run and harmonious and the people were optimistic and generally united in the 80s/90s. Starmer will double down on all this bad governance and make things even worse than the Tories did. We need a total clear out of the lot of them.

Could you help me understand when Theresa May won a 100+ seat majority, certainly wasn't in my lifetime?

Just looked up the 1951 election. Churchill got 13.5m votes (again when the population was alot smaller) v Starmers 9.5m votes. So again outlines Starmers unpopularity.

Hell you’re great at predicting. Where do you get your insider info from ?
If you really were from the North you’d see that lol. Things can’t get any worse. How’s the NHS doing ? Criminal Justice system ? Most public services are on their arses. Tory supporters abstained from voting for them because they’ve been so shite. My partner has clients who are 60 years Tory voters but refused to vote for them. It’s as simple as that.

In the interests of factual accuracy Labour won their huge majority with the lowest percentage of the vote for a winning party in over 100 years.

The WFA isn't means tested. How many more times does this need to be said. There are millions of pensioners who are just over the threshold to receive pension credit and qualify for the WFA. The cut off for pension credit is £218 a week. Those pensioners who receive the full state pension of £220 a week won't get any help.

This is why people are saying this is unfair. Millions of pensioners this winter will suffer. How can anyone say they agree with this.