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I’m already fed up of Starmer as PM

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Wasntmeanttobelikethis · 04/08/2024 17:11

Semi- lighthearted, I know it’s early days, but I’m not convinced of Starmer as an effective leader
He reads from his notes even when giving a short speech; if he really believed in what he is saying, why the need?
He doesn’t seem to have the leadership X factor and doesn’t seem to have a grip on the ongoing riots
Bright new start for UK? Doesn’t feel like it

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IClaudine · 05/08/2024 08:52

absquatulize · 05/08/2024 08:42

You mean he isn't skipping Cobra to sort out his various families or to get on with writing a book that no one is interested in.

Not the least Prime Ministerial.

Shocking, isn't it?

RafaistheKingofClay · 05/08/2024 09:48

Forestofwoodandsteel · 05/08/2024 08:01

He is a poor leader..his weekend speeches show this. He doesn't understand what is happening.

I don’t think it’s Starmer that doesn’t understand what’s happening tbh.

RafaistheKingofClay · 05/08/2024 09:52

Notonthestairs · 05/08/2024 08:20

Amazed so many posters think politics should be run by mobs burning libraries, Citizens advice bureau, dragging taxi drivers out of cars or looting Lush.

Sod democracy. Sod sovereignty. Sod law and order.

Let the most violent in society decide our direction.

At least public sector workers know what to do next time they want a pay rise. Screw the striking malarkey, let’s go burn a library or try to murder some people.

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Fizzyq · 05/08/2024 09:53

TubeScreamer · 05/08/2024 06:21

I think this will be the quickest fall from grace in modern politics. If you start with such a huge majority the only way is down.

You've obviously got more faith in Starmer than I have, because whatever his strengths may be, I just don't think he's got a chance in hell of achieving this. Have you heard of a woman called Liz Truss? I mean you might not have, she did fuck off incredibly quickly so maybe you blinked and missed her rise and fall and the few days in between where she crashed the economy.

scalt · 05/08/2024 10:02

If it had been Saint Boris as PM, he would have had plenty to say about it, while doing precisely nothing, which everyone cooed “look at our great statesman”, Alexander de Piffle Waffle Johnson.

As Humphrey Appleby observed in Yes Minister, “it’s the law of inverse relevance: the less you intend to do about something, the more you have to keep talking about it.” There is probably a lot being done which were not seeing: Starmer doesn’t waste time talking about it.

Araminta1003 · 05/08/2024 10:03

The pound is getting hammered this morning.

absquatulize · 05/08/2024 10:06

Araminta1003 · 05/08/2024 10:03

The pound is getting hammered this morning.

I understand from the radio this morning that stock markets around the world have dropped, based on fears of a US recession. So perhaps related to that?

Edited to add.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6p224j24x0o

NewGirlinClass · 05/08/2024 10:06

Araminta1003 · 05/08/2024 10:03

The pound is getting hammered this morning.

That should make exports cheaper to other countries then.

NewGirlinClass · 05/08/2024 10:12

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BrigadierEtienneGerard · 05/08/2024 10:20

He's NOT a Tory.
What's not to like.

taxguru · 05/08/2024 10:22

2dogsandabudgie · 04/08/2024 20:19

Oh so I can read sentences then. You might be fine with it not being universal but there are many pensioners who will struggle this year. Let's hope none of them freeze to death.

This is just so petty from Labour, it's like their punishing the elderly because that demographic are more likely to vote conservative. Shame on them for targeting a vulnerable group.

It's the Labour way, i.e. to look after Labour voters and sod everyone else.

A few years ago, our Labour controlled county council closed many libraries. Funny how every single one they closed was in a Tory voting town or village!

Our new Labour MP has been all over social media last week having her mug shot taken in the main town library and saying how wonderful libraries are. There's been a huge pile on by loads of people who remember her a few years ago when she was a County Councillor voting for the closure of the libraries and arguing against protests/petitions to keep them open.

She seems to have a very poor memory! Luckily loads of local people have a better memory and have called her out on it!

Araminta1003 · 05/08/2024 10:29

We are net importers. The pound is down against the dollar and euro, but we did also just lower interest rates. Our press needs to stop scaremongering constantly. I am pro free speech, but it is so extreme here. There is an argument the press is as bad for the country as the rioters.

Northernnature · 05/08/2024 10:33

Notonthestairs · 05/08/2024 08:20

Amazed so many posters think politics should be run by mobs burning libraries, Citizens advice bureau, dragging taxi drivers out of cars or looting Lush.

Sod democracy. Sod sovereignty. Sod law and order.

Let the most violent in society decide our direction.

Duh, that is what has been happening only when ethnic minorities have done it (Harehills and Manchester in recent weeks) he has met "community leaders" and said he understands the rioters concerns! He is just feeding into the (true) narrative that there is different response to different ethnicities and pouring petrol on the flames. Terrible leader.

nearlylovemyusername · 05/08/2024 10:33

NewGirlinClass · 05/08/2024 10:06

That should make exports cheaper to other countries then.

this brings inflation up

EasternStandard · 05/08/2024 10:34

Araminta1003 · 05/08/2024 10:29

We are net importers. The pound is down against the dollar and euro, but we did also just lower interest rates. Our press needs to stop scaremongering constantly. I am pro free speech, but it is so extreme here. There is an argument the press is as bad for the country as the rioters.

Not good about the pound

HesterRoon · 05/08/2024 10:35

taxguru · 05/08/2024 10:22

It's the Labour way, i.e. to look after Labour voters and sod everyone else.

A few years ago, our Labour controlled county council closed many libraries. Funny how every single one they closed was in a Tory voting town or village!

Our new Labour MP has been all over social media last week having her mug shot taken in the main town library and saying how wonderful libraries are. There's been a huge pile on by loads of people who remember her a few years ago when she was a County Councillor voting for the closure of the libraries and arguing against protests/petitions to keep them open.

She seems to have a very poor memory! Luckily loads of local people have a better memory and have called her out on it!

Councils have had their central funding cut for over a decade-in fact it was a central tenet of the Osborne austerity policy. So of course libraries had to be shut-it was either that or councils would have to save money somewhere else-many are struggling to provide services they legally have to. Councils have to fund care-not just old people but young and disabled people too. Costs have risen enormously. What is your solution?

Araminta1003 · 05/08/2024 10:35

We need ID cards for all if we want to curb illegal immigrants and stop and search, but there seems zero appetite for that especially amongst those who are the most anti immigration. If you want less immigrants then you have to accept more state control, more police and more laws all round. Places like Singapore and Switzerland etc that are more controlling, but most people here whether left or right don’t want that.

2dogsandabudgie · 05/08/2024 10:41

Araminta1003 · 05/08/2024 10:35

We need ID cards for all if we want to curb illegal immigrants and stop and search, but there seems zero appetite for that especially amongst those who are the most anti immigration. If you want less immigrants then you have to accept more state control, more police and more laws all round. Places like Singapore and Switzerland etc that are more controlling, but most people here whether left or right don’t want that.

I'd be happy with ID cards for all and stop and search definitely needs to come back. Too much knife crime over the years.

Why would people object to this

taxguru · 05/08/2024 10:47

HesterRoon · 05/08/2024 10:35

Councils have had their central funding cut for over a decade-in fact it was a central tenet of the Osborne austerity policy. So of course libraries had to be shut-it was either that or councils would have to save money somewhere else-many are struggling to provide services they legally have to. Councils have to fund care-not just old people but young and disabled people too. Costs have risen enormously. What is your solution?

Did you deliberately miss my point that libraries in our county were only closed in Tory voting towns and villages?

Wonder why that was?

BIossomtoes · 05/08/2024 10:49

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ToffeeSquirrels · 05/08/2024 10:51

He’s no Statesman.

taxguru · 05/08/2024 10:54

Araminta1003 · 05/08/2024 10:35

We need ID cards for all if we want to curb illegal immigrants and stop and search, but there seems zero appetite for that especially amongst those who are the most anti immigration. If you want less immigrants then you have to accept more state control, more police and more laws all round. Places like Singapore and Switzerland etc that are more controlling, but most people here whether left or right don’t want that.

I think times have changed, both societal and technological. 20 odd years ago when it was suggested, people believed that ALL their records would be held on the chip on the card, i.e. medical, criminal, etc. I don't recall politicians saying otherwise.

Now, all it needs is an ID card confirming the person's name, photo and date of birth (basically like the photo driving licence). It could contain a unique reference number (more likely a bar code), to identify them across all governmental databases. But data would not be held on the card chip itself, just the ID. So a police officer could scan the card to see the criminal record. A doctor could scan the card to see medical history. But only via their own access to their own relevant databases. A police officer couldn't see medical history because all they have access to is the police database etc.

Now we have the internet, mobile internet. and 5g rolling out, there's no longer a need for the data to be on the card, just an ID number for the "official" to access the relevant data using their own access credentials.

I think the public would be much more open to such a "modern" card in the knowledge that, say, a thief, couldn't hack their card to see all their data - all they could "hack" would be what was on the card anyway, i.e. name, photo, dob, just like a photo driving licence, or say a credit card.

Societal changes, especially the massive increase in lawlessness (not just rioting and serious crimes, but also the epidemic of low level crime such as shoplifting, anti social behaviour, public transport fare evasion etc), means generally law abiding people want more action against criminals, so would support better ways of the authorities identifying potential criminals.

taxguru · 05/08/2024 10:54

BIossomtoes · 05/08/2024 10:49

Your interpretation is incorrect.

Sadly true. Just wave the white flag and give in. It's the Labour way!

Flowers4me · 05/08/2024 11:10

taxguru · 05/08/2024 10:22

It's the Labour way, i.e. to look after Labour voters and sod everyone else.

A few years ago, our Labour controlled county council closed many libraries. Funny how every single one they closed was in a Tory voting town or village!

Our new Labour MP has been all over social media last week having her mug shot taken in the main town library and saying how wonderful libraries are. There's been a huge pile on by loads of people who remember her a few years ago when she was a County Councillor voting for the closure of the libraries and arguing against protests/petitions to keep them open.

She seems to have a very poor memory! Luckily loads of local people have a better memory and have called her out on it!

Absolutely, I remember during the last labour government when my children were very young, I sought help for their disabilities and was told that resources were going to a labour area. I lived in a lib dem area at the time and was shocked that disabled kids outside the labour area couldn't get anything. I ended up having to fight for help and then being told that I was a pushy mother seeking resources above everyone else. I was shocked by the scale of hate to be honest; I naively thought that living under a labour government we would get help but there was zilch. I realise this is more about my useless council but still I will never vote labour again.

80smonster · 05/08/2024 11:17

Poor old Starmer. No wonder he already needs a holibob. Hopefully the pound will recover whilst he’s tanning on a sun lounger, waiting that shit out…

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