I’m already fed up of Starmer as PM

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Semi- lighthearted, I know it’s early days, but I’m not convinced of Starmer as an effective leader
He reads from his notes even when giving a short speech; if he really believed in what he is saying, why the need?
He doesn’t seem to have the leadership X factor and doesn’t seem to have a grip on the ongoing riots
Bright new start for UK? Doesn’t feel like it

A whole lot of young men given a criminal record is a problem though because with it, nobody wants to give you a job, insurance or even a mortgage. So then they end up on benefits and we pay the price. They should be put to work in the community to make up for the ills.

And the report I’ve since posted?

What has the last 5 years to do with Starmer?

But Jeremy Corbyn.

It's one of the things some people feel unable to express themselves about without being accused of racism. And as for the two two tier policing, again, I think a discussion is reasonable,and more importantly peoples right in a democratic society. Personally,I thought that there was a lot of blatant anti semitism on a lot of them, but the illegal instances appear to have, often at least, resulted in arrests after the event, which I can understand as a policing decision in response to a massive number of people. And wether I agree with it or not,they have the right to legal free expression in a democracy: as everyone does.The Westminster thing is a lot more dangerous in my opinion as looked a clear case of bowing to threats and intimidation, she a discussion about why this has been allowed to happen is vital to keeping our representatives safe

They have to do with life in Britain in the last five years, and how that has shaped the current situation. And KS has been a key politician during this time,so it's got more to do with him than the man on the Clapham Omnibus.

In interviews, Starmer usually looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights imo.

No, sorry, you can’t blame someone who wasn’t in power and who was facing a government with a massive majority for any of this. The country is as it is because that’s what the Tories decided they wanted. If they wanted something else, they could have got it. They couldn’t be beaten in a vote in the HoC.

This. My mum text me the other day asking me to sign a petition about the pensioner fuel credits. I work the public sector and have had absolutely shite/non existent pay rises for about 15 years. She gave no shits then!

And before anyone jumps on the public v private wages train, my DH, who has only ever worked in the private sector has had wage rises every single year, and earns about 4 times what I earn.

Your opinion is a bit odd then. You can dislike him, his politics and policies, that’s fine. To think a capable man who has run a major organisation and transformed his party (again, whether or not you agree with what he’s done to it) is confused or scared like a rabbit in the headlights suggests a degree of self delusion.

Even the headline on that report says that there was chanting in support of Yemeni attacks. It also says there were six arrests, none of them said to be anything to do with chanting horrible racist slogans.

That’s six arrests out of a crowd of 200,000.

So thanks for backing up my point. 👍

I don’t actually think the police should do very much about Palestine marches. The numbers are too great to make it safe to intervene to an effective level. But I do think posters on here, and people generally, should accept that these marches attract a lot of obnoxious antisemites and shouldn’t pretend otherwise.

You said nobody had been arrested. That’s not true. And also the number arrested at the time may not be the full total of those arrested. There is no ‘two tier policing’. It’s nonsense.
Edit: where did I (or anyone) say there weren’t anti semites on those marches? Not everyone who supports Palestine is anti Israel, never mind anti semitic, but some definitely are. And I said the chanting was disgusting and a hate crime. Stop making things up.

I said nobody had been arrested for chanting in support of a country that wants to kill all Jews.

I’m not arguing that there’s two-tier policing. I’m pointing out that public displays of racism are not confined to the EDL.

Nobody said they were…
But that doesn’t make violence, looting and attempted murder by sympathiser of the EDL any better, does it?

He was a fecking QC! If he's good at anything, it's public speaking! 🤦🏼‍♀️

No, of course it doesn’t. And if you’d read what I’ve posted since these stupid toe-rags started smashing shit up you’d know I think they’re vermin.

But I’m not going to stop calling out vicious antisemitism.

So if your husband earns 4 times the amount you earn and gets 2 rises a year, you must be pretty well off as a household. So not sure how you can compare your situation to your mum's.

I'm not blaming him. You can't hold one person responsible for this mess: the people responsible for the rioting are the rioters. What I'm saying is that politically over the last five years the increasing speed,and depth, of political and social divisions have increased,and instead of actually letting people express their views and experiences to allow us to find improvements, we've had some people use intemperate, and yes in some cases racist language, and in response we've had "no, someone else said something stupid and racist about this, so no one can say anything about it" as opposed to having the non extremes have honest,if sometimes difficult, conversations. That doesn't excuse or condone the thugs rioting now,but I think it speaks for enough people in this country, who'd also want the book thrown at the actual rioters, to not be able to dismiss them as racist scum but to have respectful conversations.

It's not just Starmer in isolation though - his whole office is far more competent than the last.

I don't know if anyone else can feel it but in the weeks following the election results, I genuinely felt like the world was a little lighter.

30 days in post. Don't leaders do the 100 days in office throwdown (or is this a US thing) where they show all of the actions they have implemented...? Of course outputs are not outcomes - and impact, comes way after.

Agreed. What does any of that have to do with Starmer?

I didn't vote Labour but think let's give him a chance - so far so good!

Why does he always look so confused and scared if he's so capable? He needs to sort out his eyebrows!

Have you seen the reports of riots?

It looks so bad tonight

His eyebrows are normal eyebrows. I don’t want a PM who cares about nonsense like that. As for anything else, I’m not seeing what you are seeing. There's a bit of a look of concern in that photo at a stretch but it’s a still with no context. Perhaps he was speaking about something serious. Seems likely as, you know, Leader of the Opposition as he was then.

No, he isn't. You couldn't get a straight answer out of him about anything before the election. He sat on the fence about everything.