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Why are majority of the riots in northern towns?

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PhoebeMcPeePee · 04/08/2024 12:13

DH & I were watching the riots on the news this morning like most people absolutely horrified.

He's from one of the northern towns affected although we live in the south and started discussing why these riots now (and historically) tend to be more focused on northern towns but didn't really come up with any one thing. Any thoughts on this?

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LuluBlakey1 · 04/08/2024 23:13

Needspace2023 · 04/08/2024 22:50

They are Northern and from the Midlands.
I remember London in the 90s and also the Anti Nazi League.
Far right stand no chance in London.
The rest of the country needs to get its shit together and its complacent acceptance of demonizing refugees and Muslims.
100 years ago Jews were scapegoated all over Europe.and now Muslims.
It is NOT okay.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-mosques-far-right-protests-riots-southport-hina-bokhari-met-police-b1174529.html

Muslims in London 'extremely worried' as more protection urged after protests

Spread of hate crimes by far right has left many Muslims ‘shaken’, London Assembly member warns

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-mosques-far-right-protests-riots-southport-hina-bokhari-met-police-b1174529.html

Needspace2023 · 04/08/2024 23:14

Tatare · 04/08/2024 23:11

I think you must be a parody or Russian bot account @Needspace2023.

You can't be that dim and uneducated.

I think it must be a bitter pill to swallow. Much of England is uneducated and racist and there is an utter lack of resistance among the general population outside of London.

Goldenbear · 04/08/2024 23:14

AdviceNeeded2024 · 04/08/2024 23:09

Ok, so mimicking and taking the piss out of someone’s accent is quaint. Is it ‘quaint’ if they mimick Asian accents or other ethnic accents, which I have no doubt they do. And if it isn’t quaint, why is it then acceptable to do it to people they consider lesser by class?

I’m not justifying I’m thinking that’s probably how they see it, that’s why I have the example of my accent being highlighted as if you are not modern RP with a certain type of person - many more of these people in London IME, they assume lots about your background. Your right it is classist but who said that is dead it isn’t really! I don’t see it as they think I’m ‘lesser’ I think they just don’t really think about much outside their wealthy bubbles!

Walkthelakes · 04/08/2024 23:15

Startingagainandagain · 04/08/2024 12:24

I assume they targeted these places hoping to use poverty and lack of opportunities to push their scapegoating of immigrants...

London and the South are used to having a multicultural society. So yes, there were protests in London but they did not really catch on as in most London boroughs the far right will quickly find out that there are not welcome.

Same if they try to do this in Glasgow. Just like Liverpool did they will send them packing rather quickly...

Middlesbrough has the most refugee asylum seekers in thr Uk. Because it is cheap to house them there. It’s a really diverse town but I think this has added more fuel to the fire

wutheringkites · 04/08/2024 23:15

My point is in London, just by its nature of beong so huge and multicultural we counter racism before it turns into thuggery.

I mean, the Met alone does a pretty solid job of keeping racist thuggery going.

Goldenbear · 04/08/2024 23:16

Needspace2023 · 04/08/2024 23:12

And yet most of the followers of Southerners like " Tommy Robinson" not his real name, Farage and Lawrence Fox are in fact NORTHERNERS and those from the Midlands and other deprived areas out of London!

I thought Farage was born and grew up in Bromley?

WhimsicalGubbins76 · 04/08/2024 23:16

Goldenbear · 04/08/2024 23:10

Is that true- I didn’t realise that was the case now, that’s quite shocking.

It absolutely is. 19,586 hate crimes recorded between ‘22 and ‘23 in the London metropolitan area. The second highest was the West Midlands at 8,897 for the same 12 month period. Where I live in the North, we were in 24th place with 1315 in the same period. Quite a big difference between 1st and 2nd place

Tatare · 04/08/2024 23:17

Needspace2023 · 04/08/2024 23:14

I think it must be a bitter pill to swallow. Much of England is uneducated and racist and there is an utter lack of resistance among the general population outside of London.

Really? Have you spent much time in Sheffield or Manchester or Leeds?

I guess not.

Probably best if you stay in 'enlightened' London.

It's kind of funny, but don't you see that's It's attitudes like yours that have got us where we are?

AdviceNeeded2024 · 04/08/2024 23:17

Needspace2023 · 04/08/2024 23:12

And yet most of the followers of Southerners like " Tommy Robinson" not his real name, Farage and Lawrence Fox are in fact NORTHERNERS and those from the Midlands and other deprived areas out of London!

😂😂 ok now we know you’re a troll. Everywhere but London is deprived. Ok!

If you want to generalise, you know the worst football hooligans at the height of it in the 80’s were from London. Not all, but most.

Deprivation and racism and everything exists all over. Don’t kid yourself London is some wonderful utopia. And what about all the disadvantaged and deprived communities in London? Do you just forget about them?

Tatare · 04/08/2024 23:18

wutheringkites · 04/08/2024 23:15

My point is in London, just by its nature of beong so huge and multicultural we counter racism before it turns into thuggery.

I mean, the Met alone does a pretty solid job of keeping racist thuggery going.

V good.

Goldenbear · 04/08/2024 23:18

Goldenbear · 04/08/2024 23:14

I’m not justifying I’m thinking that’s probably how they see it, that’s why I have the example of my accent being highlighted as if you are not modern RP with a certain type of person - many more of these people in London IME, they assume lots about your background. Your right it is classist but who said that is dead it isn’t really! I don’t see it as they think I’m ‘lesser’ I think they just don’t really think about much outside their wealthy bubbles!

I’d also add to this I’m glad I have a West London accent, why would I want to sound modern RP?

Needspace2023 · 04/08/2024 23:21

Tatare · 04/08/2024 23:17

Really? Have you spent much time in Sheffield or Manchester or Leeds?

I guess not.

Probably best if you stay in 'enlightened' London.

It's kind of funny, but don't you see that's It's attitudes like yours that have got us where we are?

Leeds University. 3 years of living there.
Have in laws who live in the Midlands.
Yes, both places are much more divided than London.
We were going on Anti Nazi League marches as teenagers in the 90s. White, black, brown people all together.
The rest of the country needs to as well.

AdviceNeeded2024 · 04/08/2024 23:21

Needspace2023 · 04/08/2024 23:14

I think it must be a bitter pill to swallow. Much of England is uneducated and racist and there is an utter lack of resistance among the general population outside of London.

Would you care to comment on knife crime in London please. And in this, how many young people have lost their lives. I’d be fascinated to hear your views.

wutheringkites · 04/08/2024 23:21

I can't quite believe the bollocks being spouted on this thread.

Nigel Farage is from Kent.
Tommy Robinson is from Luton
I'm pretty sure Nick Griffin is from the Home Counties.
Suella Braverman is from London.

Goldenbear · 04/08/2024 23:22

WhimsicalGubbins76 · 04/08/2024 23:16

It absolutely is. 19,586 hate crimes recorded between ‘22 and ‘23 in the London metropolitan area. The second highest was the West Midlands at 8,897 for the same 12 month period. Where I live in the North, we were in 24th place with 1315 in the same period. Quite a big difference between 1st and 2nd place

Is that worked out per 1000 of the population? It would still be high though. Is Hate crime racist crime? (Honestly don’t know)

Needspace2023 · 04/08/2024 23:22

Yes I will stay in London for precisely what you said!

Dymaxion · 04/08/2024 23:23

I hope we all remember to thank all these 'patriots' with their wanton destruction, when our insurance premiums go up ? And don't for one second think it won't effect you if you don't live in an area where there haven't been riots because that isn't how it works, if a company takes a hit, we all take the hit !

Tatare · 04/08/2024 23:24

Needspace2023 · 04/08/2024 23:14

I think it must be a bitter pill to swallow. Much of England is uneducated and racist and there is an utter lack of resistance among the general population outside of London.

Bitter pill. Good work. I'd give you 10/10 for agitation, I'm going to knock a point off for blatancy.

Still an excellent effort though!

AdviceNeeded2024 · 04/08/2024 23:24

Goldenbear · 04/08/2024 23:18

I’d also add to this I’m glad I have a West London accent, why would I want to sound modern RP?

Well you are obviously on the fringes of what is acceptable in terms of location. Don’t diminish other people’s experiences of which are probably far more hostile than yours.

WhimsicalGubbins76 · 04/08/2024 23:25

I’m thinking @Needspace2023 is just some stirring satire account. The amount of factually incorrect BS he/she/it is spouting is just designed to trigger people. We all know it’s complete BS. We all know the London area is rammed with racist thugs, deprivation and drug/gang problems.

Needspace2023 · 04/08/2024 23:26

wutheringkites · 04/08/2024 23:21

I can't quite believe the bollocks being spouted on this thread.

Nigel Farage is from Kent.
Tommy Robinson is from Luton
I'm pretty sure Nick Griffin is from the Home Counties.
Suella Braverman is from London.

They said Southerners??? It does not mayyer what hole Farage came from.
Im saying most of the thugs appear to be from Northern cities and the Midlands and it seems to have upset some people who wanted to talk of their "grievances".
Britain meeds ti get its shit together and stop blaming refugees and Muslims.
It really shpuldnt be that hard to understand.

Needspace2023 · 04/08/2024 23:27

*matter

Tatare · 04/08/2024 23:27

Needspace2023 · 04/08/2024 23:21

Leeds University. 3 years of living there.
Have in laws who live in the Midlands.
Yes, both places are much more divided than London.
We were going on Anti Nazi League marches as teenagers in the 90s. White, black, brown people all together.
The rest of the country needs to as well.

Whaaat?

Anti-Nazi league marches in the 90s? Like the ones we had in Sheffield?

No way!

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